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Coming in Scaler 3.1 May 14 2025, Scaler 3 Support
... some features confirmed for Scaler 3.1 Include:
Main Track Live Sync - Syncs Main track across instances and DAWs
Batch User Chord Set Import - Ability to import several XML files at once and choose destination folder
Custom VST Folder Paths
Play Bar in MIDI Editor
Drag and Drop MIDI / Audio files
Standalone ASIO Support
Well it has been a difficult launch to say the least. Very similar to BIAB in December each year. But the developers are digging in to address the reported issues. Still can't drop and drag chords between BIAB and Scaler, but Scaler is enhancing this feature in 3.1. And, I can report that midi chords drop and drag between Scaler and the BIAB VST is working. Standalone should have never been release without ASIO, but they will now have that fixed.
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Coming in Scaler 3.1 May 14 2025, Scaler 3 Support
... some features confirmed for Scaler 3.1 Include:
Main Track Live Sync - Syncs Main track across instances and DAWs
Batch User Chord Set Import - Ability to import several XML files at once and choose destination folder
Custom VST Folder Paths
Play Bar in MIDI Editor
Drag and Drop MIDI / Audio files
Standalone ASIO Support
Well, it has been a difficult launch to say the least. Very similar to BIAB in December each year. But the developers are digging in to address the reported issues. Still can't drop and drag chords between BIAB and Scaler, but Scaler is enhancing this feature in 3.1. And I can report that midi chords drop and drag between Scaler and the BIAB VST is working. Standalone should have never been release without ASIO, but they will now have that fixed. Not to mention they took away real-time chord recognition from the main screen. (They told me they may bring it back. I think it belongs on the new keyboard area) I have suggested to PGM that they add it to the top area of their keyboard and make it a panel for more convenient workflow instead of hiding it two clicks deep in the windows menu.
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Jeff, I think what you are missing did reappear in beta 3.0.5 which was released to all. The chord name is now there for any chord you play on the keyboard in real time.
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Thanks Dan, I'll check it out.
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Is it true you cannot drag chord progressions into BIAB?
I cannot seem to get it to work.
Seem like a big miss by both companies if true.
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Best I can confirm, you are correct. But it is even a little worse. As of the current beta 1.0.5, S3 can no longer drag and drop the Scaler Chord progression - with Chord Markers, into Reaper. S2 had a feature option called "insert midi markers", which is currently not in S3. But S3 b1.0.6 is due out today!. So Scaler is changing a lot at this time and I am hopeful. So for right now with 1.0.5, while you can drag and drop Scaler Chord progressions into the chord chart of BIAB-VST3, you can not do the same in BIAB. Instead, in BIAB it will treat the chord progression as a midi file so that will be inserted it on whatever individual track you designate, but that does not place the Chords on the chord sheet in BIAB for all the tracks to use. I am afraid it remains a little messy.
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Thanks that was the behavior I saw.
The reason I mentioned both companies not paying attention was PGM does not seem to be supporting a common ability in many plug-ins to drop chords.
Most Daws now can make this a one step procedure.
PGM should be updating BIAB to see that the file is nothing more than MIDI block chords and then just auto convert the block chords to chord names and add or update at the point of the cursor with no pop up importing a midi file.
Same as BIAB plugin.
This is a modern expectation.
I guess I need to add it to the UI improvement thread since they’re probably not reading this.
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CURRENT VERSION:
3.1 (Released June 24, 2025)
What’s New in 3.1
Live Sync
Sync your Main Track chords and scale across all running Scaler 3 instances.
Bass Follow Track
New Articulations option: auto-follow the root note of your chord track.
Onboard Tutorial
A step-by-step overlay greets you on startup—perfect for new users.
Clip Extension
Easily extend / shorten adjacent clips with a single drag.
All Scales on Launch
“All Scales” view is now the default at startup.
Arrange Page Scrolling & Zoom
Free-scroll and pinch-to-zoom for smoother timeline navigation.
Select All / Deselect All
Single-click “Select All” in the three-dot or right-click menu; click blank space to “Deselect All.”
Supporting Documents
Updated User Manual and new Multi Channel MIDI Out setup guide for most DAWs
Bug Fixes
Lasso Chords crash resolved for affected users
Overlapping Chords bug squashed
Last-Chord Extension edge cases fixed in Main Track
DAW Sync Off Loop unresponsive play/stop behavior corrected
Instrument Plugin Recall in Studio One now reliable
Playback Progress Bar displays correctly over empty regions
Non-Standard and Complex Time Signatures sync behaviour corrected
Keys Lock profile no longer cuts off notes
MIDI Notes now render properly in Scale White Keys
Stuck Notes when playing two bound notes simultaneously—fixed
Sketch-to-Main-Track Drag ignores active motions as expected
Duplicate Sidebar Controls on drag-and-drop issue resolved
Empty Space in Sketch Page no longer appears after reload
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New Update Available
It is safe to say that Scaler has had a difficult time of it with the launch of V3. Dramatically new workflow concepts which have taken a program which was initially difficult for many to comprehend to an even more complex level where folks have begun to bail ship. But I admire the development team. They stand behind their concepts and beliefs in the app. Changes continue to come based on user feedback (or is it screamback?).
3.1.1 (Released July 22, 2025)
Fixes
Strumming no longer slows down or drifts out of time over successive bars
Fixed issue where Strumming directions were not accessible
Bind now works correctly on detected chords added to Section A
Sidebar Motion selector now appears for all Expression types (not just Articulations)
Scale list updates in real time during detection
Synced instances no longer display the “Disconnect From Live Sync” popup incorrectly
Keys Lock (Scale White Keys mode) now sends Mod Wheel data correctly
Clicking single notes in Bass or Chord Follow tracks no longer causes stuck visual notes
Chord note lengths now display correctly in the MIDI editor for odd time signatures (e.g., 3/4, 5/4, 6/8)
MIDI Detection correctly identifies chords even when a note is held across changes
MIDI Capture now records Section C internal playback when using DAW Sync + Chord Trigger
New sessions now correctly adopt DAW time signatures other than 4/4
Stability Improvements
Project corruption issues resolved across various DAWs
Improved compatibility with Pro Tools and Digital Performer DAWs
Fixed issue where Standalone app crashed on launch.
Fixed crash caused by User Presets
Crash when using Undo after Modulation > Secondary Scale is fixed
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Thanks Dan,
I just tried Scalar 3 to seriously write a song progression this week, and I noticed two workflow gaps or areas that need improvements.
1) When you use the "linked chords to MIDI" triggers to record a true rhythmic pattern for the chord. There is no way to get that chord pattern back into Scalar 3.
The rhythmic pattern is easily recorded in your DAW, but their "MIDI Capture" only records a MIDI file that cannot be used in Scale 3.
This completely null in voids using any of their new master tracks, bass tracks, melody tracks etc. since the real chord progression, you want to use is not easily obtainable and Scalar 3.
FR: The master track or working progression his ability to be updated from the link chords directly.
2) Although it has a ton of suggested chords, chord explorations, and modulation chord capabilities, it has no "passing chord" feature.
FR: When selecting two chords add an ability to suggest a "passing chord" that moves between chord one and chord two, and a straightforward way to insert that chord.
BTW wouldn't it be cool to see some of these harmization tools native in BIAB?
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