I would be happy to do more of my editing in RB, if I knew how. Everyone has said to do the track in BIAB to start and do the heavy editing in RB. How are the Microchord/Chord Option functions worked in RB? Volume Automation? Bar Settings? I'm getting decent at working that stuff in BIAB, but not sure with RB. Right now, my Stems from the .sgu file are importing incorrectly to RB, coming in about a measure later than they should. I've done some work in RB, but few and far between, so that I can't figure out how to manually correct these errors, not to mention maybe figure out why the BIAB tracks are importing in correctly. Some of the Stems are importing in a slower tempo, so it's a mess.
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best bet is to post the sgu somewhere so people can see what is going on and thus give you help.
btw in bb how are doing the sgu save ?? i always do following SAVE >>>SPECIAL>>>PATCHES AND HARMONY
as i said before...you can just drag each bb track from bb tracks view to rb tracks view...have you tried this ??
note >>> editing of tracks in rb is superior...with various features not in bb.
dont expect bb and rb to do various things identically. eg rb has a usefull bars view but bb doesnt. see rb manual for more info. there are many other differences tween bb and rb.
one reason of many i like rb is lots more tracks than bb...now 256. so one has more track flexibility. eg its a doddle in rb to dupe a track... a trick i often do is dealing with vocs. i record a vocal track...dupe it to another track. the original i keep dry and the second i'll add fx to eg pg dxi echo chorus and then blend the two tracks. various songs in my sig used just pg dx fx on my vocs etc. eg pretty girl song.
hth.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/26/2501:41 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Dragging the BB tracks one-by-one to the RB tracks view is not working at all. Why have I never had this problem before? There isn't a documented way to open a BIAB file in RB?
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dragging from bb tracks view to rb tracks view works here.. detail your steps.
i just drag on each bb track name over to a rb track whether midi or audio. have you gone thru the rb manual in detail plus rb tips of the day plus rb faq's plus rb vids ?
heres the thing re rb....it DOES have a deep learning cycle. but if one sticks at it there are lots of neat things i havent seen in any other daw....and like recently...once a year i test out lots of different daws in case i can find something better.
contrary to what some might think here on pg...and which irks me and cheeses me off... i really DONT have any biases to any app. its simply that after trying lots of music apps yearly...like an old girlfriend flame...lol... i keep on coming back to rb. and i'm not the only one. there are various avid rb users here like rharv and rob helms who i understand like myself have done loads of songs....and various other rb users. rb quirks and all.
as an aside re daws....for years since its inception ive been an avid reaps daw user. but rb has features that even the great reaps doesnt. so to anyone..NO..i'm not biased towards rb. (i actually use reaps less these days as rb has added more features i need. i really feel sorry for Jeff Y the rb dev cos i'm always asking for more...lol....just like i used to ask for reaps...) the PROBLEM is with rb is because of its plethora of deep features... (a goldmine imho..) as i said its a steep learning cycle with lots of tricks....and...tbh even after years of useing rb i STILL go to myself 'oh you idiot OM why didnt you figure that out before'.
after a time funk youll develope your own methods re the bb/rb combo. eg a trick i use is to use the speed of genning in bb often and then drag the track into rb. thus a way of many is to use bb as an auditioneer of pg session musos and a track generator and then bop over to rb. SO its not a case of one over the other but the combo useing the strengths of each. in SOME cases tho eg winky time sigs i feel rb is the better solution as one can see the time sig denominator graphically in rb for each bar. i'm still experimenting with odd time sigs in rb.
in conclusion rb isnt a wham bam thank you xxxx app. it requires work cos its sooo deep.
hth.
om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Yeah, I simply opened the file in RB and it worked as expected. RB kept the frozen track(s) and generated some others and it all stayed in time. Not sure how you are getting the results you say you are.
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What seems to be different in yours is the lack of Stems that I've got. The stems are really the problem. Do they not import into RB correctly?
Some of the Stems import to the wrong measure, starting the recording a measure late. The other Stems are actually playing at a slower tempo, making the while thing a big mess, as you can imagine.
Now I got a suggestion from support to try Drag-And-Drop each track one at a time. I followed the video tutorial, which showed how to drag the track onto the DAW toolbar button to make the track into a WAV file. I saved the WAV files to the same folder as the .sgu file, and then dropped them into a new RB doc. Doing it that way worked perfectly, except I don't end up with chords in the Chord View, so can't edit the chord rhythms, shots, holds, etc.
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Oh, yes. That's the main way I tried this. That's the way I had been aware of for BIAB files in RB. I tried File-->Import after that. Same result. The only way that worked was using the DAW mode to change each track to WAV and Drag/Drop into the Tracks window.
The problem with that is that there's no chord changes in the Chord View. With the tracks all as WAV files, I don't (yet) know if I can change the rhythms in Chord Options, Micro Chords, etc.
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i think it best if you detail what your overall objective is here. eg it sounds like you have an existing audio/song you are trying to add pg content to ? thus the added use of the stem splitter ? please clarify.
you mentioned not getting chords in rb tracks view with one work method. if so as per rharvs post and graphic step one is to load up the bb sgu so you get the chords in rb chords and tracks view firstly. THEN do any other things you want to do. eg maybe you decide to generate an xtra track in bb thats not in the original sgu loaded into rb. so just drag the new bb genned track to a rb spare track.
please post back why you are also wanting to use the stem splitter. what is the overall objective ?? remember you can use the stem splitter in rb.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/28/2504:39 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Oh, yes. That's the main way I tried this. That's the way I had been aware of for BIAB files in RB. I tried File-->Import after that. Same result. The only way that worked was using the DAW mode to change each track to WAV and Drag/Drop into the Tracks window.
The problem with that is that there's no chord changes in the Chord View. With the tracks all as WAV files, I don't (yet) know if I can change the rhythms in Chord Options, Micro Chords, etc.
Sooo .. Open the file in RB, first, so you get the chords. THEN drag your stems into that file. /would that work?
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I had the recording of the tune, which is piano/vocal. I used BIAB stem splitting to separate the vocal track. At that point, I used ACW to define the measures, equalize the tempo, and define the chords. Used Chord Options and Microchords to define the rhythms closer to the original performance. Sounded pretty good. Added a couple of Real Tracks for more of a band arrangement; bass, strings, etc.
Some of the piano performance sounded a little unnatural, and some of the string parts sounded unnatural in the attacks, so I decided to edit these in RB, as it's supposed to be better for audio editing. I'd also like to experiment with other rhythm section instrument Real Tracks, etc.
I'm using the chords gotten from ACW, the original voice stem, and then adding Real Tracks for my own arrangement. ACW and Stem Splitting has been done in BIAB, and now I want to edit in RB. My previous experience has been to simply File ->Open the .sgu file in RB to do more complicated edits to the tune, such as generating alternate instrument Real Tracks and possibly editing them to my taste.
However, it seems as though doing this is not working correctly with Stems from BIAB. It seems like a lot of extra steps to enter the chords by eye from the BIAB file, with chord pushes and MicroChords, into RB, and then load the Vocal Stem after, In order to arrange other Real Tracks for subsequent arranging.
Does this all make sense? I've gotten a good portion of the tune to sound the way I would like in BIAB, with Auto Analysis and Equalize Tempo, but want to use RB for further editing/adding instrumentation.
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ok i see.. as i suspected your trying to add content to an existing song. let me say upfront even with the state of current software engineering in music apps ive seen no perfect solution. (i used to develeope big industry apps.)
in summary i admire your persistence cos this isnt trivial work. i'm a happy go lucky fun bloke with tons of patience but sometimes one has to accept a ton of work is needed to reach ones goals with some songs.
ive failed many times in adding new content to old songs of mine that people like that were originally produced on tape. i find particularly the small tempo variances of tape can be an issue...more in fact than stem splitting which i find works rather well. (depending on the song).
frankly i fail many times because i'm trying to preserve the original song 'vibe' and 'sound picture' that people have told me they like while adding new content and ensuring i dont lose that original vibe. in summary ive got lots of old songs here that i just cant get right adding new content to....bugs the heck out of me. maybe i'm a dunce...lol...
given what you, i, and others are trying to do i think at the software engineering level there needs to be integration of the acw with the stem splitting feature. ie.. one feeds into the software the old song and the software spits out the chords plus varying tempo map plus the stems....and then the user does minor 'cleaning up'.
the ONLY solution i can suggest at this time and given how much work youve done in bb is to just use rb for audio editing. ie drag a track from bb into rb...do the editing...and then send it back to bb.
frankly given the complexity at this level i think due to rb's capability for fractional tempo handling and track editing and other features... (bars view and the way rb tracks view works plus 256 tracks...to cite a few examples...) that from git go it might have been better to try doing the shebang in rb. maybe on another song you might try useing rb from git go and see if its an easier alternative.
in closeing let me say from my experiences in software engineering imho the software tech is getting there these days but isnt perfected and might never be perfect....we shall see.
i wish you the best and admire the effort your putting into this.
happiness.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 06/29/2505:16 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Oh, yes. That's the main way I tried this. That's the way I had been aware of for BIAB files in RB. I tried File-->Import after that. Same result. The only way that worked was using the DAW mode to change each track to WAV and Drag/Drop into the Tracks window.
The problem with that is that there's no chord changes in the Chord View. With the tracks all as WAV files, I don't (yet) know if I can change the rhythms in Chord Options, Micro Chords, etc.
Sooo .. Open the file in RB, first, so you get the chords. THEN drag your stems into that file. /would that work?
Bears repeating
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
So, remove the stems from the BIAB file, save the .sgu file, open it in RB, then add the vocal Stem back in? I did do the Equalize Tempo thing in BIAB, so I'm not sure if the stem still has that alteration.
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I did that, and it seems to be what I'm looking for. I then deleted the old stems in RB, and the Drums track to Generate a different RD track, which I'm liking. Now I'm working on Volume Automation with Drum Stems, etc. I guess that should be a different post.
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