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With generative audio AI products having reached their current level of usefulness, how has this affected your use of BIAB? Products like SUNO allow you to upload an old demo or to just play or hum a part into it and generate full productions. MOISES Studio allows you to upload a part and generate WAV files for another instrument's accompaniment based on your input. With BIAB doing only yearly updates to the software, does PG run the risk of getting left in the dust? Can they move fast enough to compete?
Don't get me wrong. I still love my BIAB. I was excited to see PG dipping their toes into AI this past year, but as one prominent YouTube AI personality says, "AI Never Sleeps." The industry seems to advance by leaps and bounds from one week to the next, sometimes one day to the next. Last year, I thought it may be a year or perhaps two before AI could even begin to squeeze traditional platforms out of the market. But many traditional software-based companies are scrambling to keep up with the rapid pace of advances.
How do you see PG Music responding to this potential threat to their business model? Do they adapt and begin to implement more generative AI into their product? With the landscape shifting so radically at such breakneck speeds, do you see the yearly release model going away? Perhaps a subscription based model implemented?
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.
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In response to your subject line question, AI has had zero impact on my songwriting workflow. Not because I don't appreciate it, I do. It's mind boggling. But I just enjoy the human parts of songwriting and performance too much. Color me selfish.
I'm going to let our hosts ponder the implications of AI on the current product and model for backing track software. But I get your point. The age demographic of our current Showcase forum is certainly problematic for BiaB long term prospects. And I'd bet new YouTube content for AI music is 1000X whatever BiaB music is, and growing daily...
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Currently I do not use AI for anything. However I can see it being a useful for composing, much like BiaB is a useful composing tool. But I am against having AI do an entire song.
Another but is that having a computer generate an entire song has been around since the early Acid loop days. Heck one can do that in BiaB. All one has to do is to copy some chords from a book or lyric/chord site, select a style, and a lead. Not as easy as the other two examples but it can be done. Also there are some MIDI softwares that is very similar to the Acid loops way of composing. In all three examples no music knowledge is needed, however with said knowledge they are excellent tools.
IMHO in some ways BiaB is being left in the dust on other issues. PGM asking for suggestions in the wishlist forum is an excellent first step in catching up. At least they are listening to their customers.
PGM can implement AI in some areas such as listening to a song and suggesting a style, help in picking a style, RT, RD, etc., suggesting chord progressions, and suggesting key transition chords as examples.
If PGM goes to a subscription model I would be through purchasing their products.
Most all of my songs start in BiaB. BiaB is my second most used piece of music software behind my DAW. I do most of my work in my DAW.
YMMV
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The only impact it has is the time I spend turning it off whenever it pops up in an app.
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For my work as a gigging musician and my sideline (making aftermarket products for BiaB) it hasn't helped me at all. BiaB helps me make backing tracks for my duo, The Sophisticats for some songs more than others. It depends on the song and available MIDI styles for BiaB. Why MIDI - ability to edit is thousands of times better than audio. If I were a songwriter, I suspect AI might be a good tool. Just as BiaB gives me good musical ideas that I can edit to make what I think is better, or at least more personal, I can see a songwriter using AI for the same reason. I don't see anything wrong with using AI or BiaB for the entire product, but because I like music, I like playing with music, and I like to have my musical touch involved, I would never just let the 'machine' do the whole thing. What's the fun in that? Of course, that's just me. Plus AI is still in it's infancy (or toddler) years. Insights and incites by Notes ♫
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These days, the only area where I use AI in my music is stem separation from within Studio One Pro.
In learning and constructing basslines (for covers), I find being able to generate clean bass stems from recordings to be a useful AI-enabled tool.
Years ago, someone coined the term unbaking the cake for this.
For me, this is second only to chord detection in usefulness.
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PGM has a massive ethically produced library. Their main problem is making it difficult for beginners (and more advanced users) to work with it, discover deep hidden features aka workflow + known issues. Several recent PGM threads collecting opinions makes me hopeful that something significant is cooking. They obviously need to re-tool.
I guess, to me personally it is more about ethics and just having fun in manual tinkering. AI can definitely play a part in future of PGM. For example enhance RTs: more interesting transitions, different octaves, allow for significant tempo changes without artifacts, etc. I still prefer this "semi-manual" algorithmic philosophy of BIAB composing / constructing vs "one click" AI generation.
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I find the proposed topic very interesting. In my opinion, Biab offers the user greater control over the outcome, as we can dictate the sequence of chords, tempo, and other parameters that current programs like Suno, Moises, etc., generate without asking. On the other hand, although the AI sound library is much broader, in Biab you can customize the mix of instruments better. However, I believe there are two aspects in which these AI programs do surpass Biab: 1) The generation of solo vocals, and 2) The creation of songs from a simple recorded idea.
I hope that the engineers at PGMusic leverage their long history to keep Biab as the most suitable program for musicians who want to compose their own songs. Best regards.
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I don't use it as, for the present, I don't need it. Once arthritis takes over I'll have to rely on RT, RD & MIDI much more than now but actually needing/using AI - I can't envisage that in the medium term.
I don't use it for other things except, very occasionally, stem splitting and that's a pretty limited amount of it as well. Not for searches either as A.I. will, doubtless, be used to channel even more paid "results" for the engines. Even Duck Duck Go/Mozilla have a top of the list A.I. "result".
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I don't use AI at all. I may use it implicitly by using a specific tool such as stem splitting that uses AI.
Otherwise I get my kicks from of developing my own skills and creativity.
I would use it if available in a search tool for matching music to find best matching RDs, RTs and styles within BIAB. (I am waiting for this to come)
It may change it depends on what tools come up, I want to keep developing my own skills, creativity and musicality but will certainly use AI for non creative tasks stem splitting, search/ matching etc
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I'm not a Luddite, but I enjoy making music. I like the process, and at this point, don't want to share it with AI. Even when I use Band-in-a-Box, I export the MIDI to a sequencer/DAW and continue editing, tweaking, and putting my own creative touches on it. I wouldn't want the machine to have all the fun. But for our gigging backing tracks, I usually play most, or all of the parts from scratch into the DAW, starting with the drums. I'm lucky that I can play sax, flute, wind synth, guitar, bass, drums, and keyboards.
Some day, an AI tool may happen that I find interesting and will still let me do most of the work myself, because I like the work. If that comes about, I'll be happy to add it to my tool set.
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AI is certainly changing the game. It's capabilities have made huge advances in just the last year and considering that just slightly over 3 years ago it was simply some futuristic dream.
Yes, PG Music is going to have to incorporate AI into BB in a much more substantial way or risk being left behind and risking irrelevance.
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. I've got a really well constructed song that I'm working on currently. Part me and part AI. It has undergone several reiterations and editing. I've used the BB tools like ACW to get it into BB so I can add real tracks. One of the things I'm seeing is that the real tracks stay with the BB style and are not fitting into the song very well. In the end, I'll most likely only be able to use a few tracks such as synth and B3 since they are the only ones that halfway fit or are useable. I'll end up recording the guitar parts myself to get the groove correct.
AI, properly incorporated, that can listen to the original input, and then seamlessly weave the real tracks, with their superb quality into the song, would be a great tool. Instead of being forced to find and choose a rigid style, what if BB, with AI guiding it, could cross the style boundaries and integrate the perfect style groove based on the song? The AI models out there are doing this now. Albeit, editing what it gives you can get rather tedious currently. However, they are working on integration into what appears to be a DAW format....... Coming soon, as they say. And if the leaps forward over the last few months are any indication of what is coming next in the "studio" version..... This could be a very big deal for AI.
I do agree with the OP on the yearly update schedule. A year in the AI world is an eternity ago. Suno for example was running version 3 one year ago and now they're on 4.5 and planning shortly to release "Studio". One year apart upgrades was cutting edge 4 years ago. It's going to require periodic updates for the product throughout the year just to stay one step behind. Assuming you want to stay current. PG should be using AI to help with the coding and bug testing required to accomplish this. (Maybe they are doing this now. IDK.)
So yes.... I believe PG is going to need to incorporate a more effective use of AI functionality into BB. They will most likely have an "off" switch for the purists in the group. But, yes, the genie is out of the bottle as they say.
Edit to add: another example. The BB stem splitter is good, but AI stems online is now capable of more individual stems and a much higher quality extraction. Some of those are seriously amazing.
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GH, very intelligently expressed.
Your point on how AI could be used to fit/modify real tracks so they aren't fixed and static, but instead dynamic and adaptable to better fit with the groove of the song is insightful.
If today's real tracks (as good as they are and they are very good) are analogous to a limited slide-rule; then AI-enabled dynamic real tracks are analogous to a programming language where you can customize at will.
We could have used your brain on the White Paper team . . .
PS> I still have my slide-rule as an antique conversation piece, and it was mighty useful back in the day. We basically put a man on the moon and brought him safely back home with it.
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I select tracks outside of the style when needed..actually more often than not.
My current Showcase song has only one track from the style it was started in.
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AI, properly incorporated, that can listen to the original input, and then seamlessly weave the real tracks, with their superb quality into the song, would be a great tool. Instead of being forced to find and choose a rigid style, what if BB, with AI guiding it, could cross the style boundaries and integrate the perfect style groove based on the song? The AI models out there are doing this now. Albeit, editing what it gives you can get rather tedious currently. However, they are working on integration into what appears to be a DAW format....... Coming soon, as they say. And if the leaps forward over the last few months are any indication of what is coming next in the "studio" version..... This could be a very big deal for AI. Very interesting, Are these AI models available somewhere for test or use? what companies is this refering to? Is anyone aware of any AI software today that can compare and match similarity in music.groove/feel (ie match a song to a music library etc)
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You already have Splice included in your Studio One Pro. The genres are not my cup of tea but it can match tempo and key of the song with tons of samples. It is only a matter of time before you will be able to do what you are talking about.
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I’ve always considered BIAB to be the earliest commercial program I used that had artificial intelligence. I don’t play guitar, but with BIAB I can give it instructions and out comes a better guitar track with technique and creativity beyond what I could even imagine or describe. That sounds like artificial intelligence to me.
BIAB has revolutionized my professional music workflow for 33 years. I believe that the current focus on AI is just a marketing emphasis on something I think has existed and evolved for decades.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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