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Thank you very much for listening and for your detailed feedback on both the song and my question, David ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/images/icons/default/thumbs_up.gif) But other than to comply with the spirit of the forum, there was no need to replace those instruments. The odds are pretty good that those AI tracks that were replaced by BiaB were as good as what they were replaced with from BiaB, because they were customized to that particular song I didn't replace anything, I just added something where something was missing so that it sounds the way I wanted it to. But I understand your point of view very well, and it is an entirely valid point!
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"After all, I'm a musician (well, sort of) and not a director", heh, I was smiling after reading this line, because I felt the opposite - in my ears you have moved from a songwriter to a producer/ conductor and I can picture you swinging your arms wildly in front of a symphonic orchestra while conducting this masterpiece  I feel that using AI buries the homespun feel in your earlier songs, when you use Synth V your personal touch can be still heard. But, on the other hand, I truly appreciate the amount of effort required to combine all those different elements into this amazing professional sounding work - even with AI you may have needed tens of trials to get what you want. But to the song itself: it's a great tribute, touching lyrics with strong images. Your skill to use dynamics just gets better, everything sounds as good as any other symphonic metal band. Transitions from loud to calm sound very natural. The mix is simply perfect. AI voice is as real as can be and those spoken and screaming parts, wow! The length is not a problem for me, your arrangement keeps the interest going the whole time. Maybe I'll dare to showcase my almost 8-minute work soon - unfortunately I don't have your skills when it comes to dynamics  Janne B.D.Conductor Thank you for your really detailed review, Janne. And I'm glad to hear that the length of the song wasn't a problem. And tens of trials is a huge underestimation. It's more like 60-something for the basic song, and dozens for each individual section of the song. Now I'm curious about your 8-minute song
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Wow.... What an intro. Absolute awesome piece of music. Incredible .........
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Brian, this is epic! What an outstanding song that was well constructed, orchestrated, and mix.
The use of Suno is the red flag for some. However you did use BiaB RTs in your song: "The guitars 650 and 1000 (simple power chords) play in the first and last choruses, but of course they are barely audible alongside all the other instruments. Guitar 4213 is the short guitar solo at around 5:06 (the solo was originally way longer, but it distracted from the "dying" vocals, so it was drastically shortened)."
IMHO that is no different than me using a track or two in a song while everything else is MIDI: I know I play me parts but that is not what this is about, it is about using only one or some BiaB RTS/RDs/ MIDI. Some only use a drum track, as I also have done. Thus since you did use BiaB in your song it is a legal post. Thank you, Mario, for your really kind words and for taking the time to answer my question in detail. Mucho appreciated
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Angry pretty metal.
Cool stuff..well done.
6 minutes is nothing compared to what I'll drop in a day or two - & I don't have the dynamics you employ.
A.I.? I'm not interested in using it, (at least at present while I can di what I can & Midi/BIAB can fill the gaps - but I'm getting older), but I can see it's point & purpose for those who can't play etc. in much the same way as BIAB is a reasonable substitute. I think, at least for my louder songs, I've finally found my genre: "Pretty Metal". Thanks Ray
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Yep, I saw that bus coming a mile away ---you know, the one you threw me under. Fortunately it was a double-decker with big wheels that provided plenty of clearance. Yeah, I read ya the rules, and said, "Do it, Brain," not like a kid who wanted to get someone in trouble with the principal, but because I couldn't wait to hear how our forum friends would react to this incredible song.
Right from the first time I heard this one growing into the wonderful unique piece you created, Brain, I was floored with the quality of production and mix. Brilliant throughout. Thank you, Marty, not only for your invaluable advice, but also for taking all the blame And I'm quite impressed by all the honest answers that spoke for and against my actions.
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Wow! a masterpiece for sure! the vocal is haunting and the track is awesome in every regard...how you managed Suno to pull that out of its hat is amazing...breathtaking! Thank you very much for listening and your truly positive words. Much appreciated!
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[ I've just returned from vacation, so I apologize for the delayed responses ]“goes against all current trends” Thank you. That can often be a lot of fun. The great dynamics throughout are amazing. And SUNO Bella certainly delivered the anthemic vibe. This is a BIG production that is very engaging and the quality is on par with that of Bohemian Rhapsody. Amy W. was such a tragic figure and thank you for using her as an inspiration for your production. Cool supporting vid also. We put a lot of effort into our simple productions and it's hard to even imagine the thought and mix time that went into this. But all that work yielded a big payoff indeed with a stadium filling production! J&B PS Regarding the forum appropriateness we think the amount of positive attention it has gained and the quality of the production would be considered by PG Music to be an asset. FWIW. Thank you very much for your really nice feedback, J&B. And double thanks for the "asset" part of it
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BD,
A very complex and multi-faceted song. There have been several excellent analogies in previous comments, and all the wonderful highlights have been addressed. I'm not sure what I can add to all of that. I have a lot of respect and admiration for the production details, energy, and passion you bring to your music. It transfers quickly to the listener. As many people have already said, the excellence of the song negates any considerations of its length. The tension and release is everywhere - and that's one of the best characteristics a song can have.
And the amount of time and effort you must have devoted to the mixing shines through. In the right hands, this could be a huge hit. And that's no exaggeration.
As far as whether it belongs on the forum - I say there is no doubt it belongs here. You mention in a reply that a couple of the BIAB guitar tracks are buried in the mix. I agree. I often mention in my replies and original description at the time I post it that the listener will barely be able to hear a track or two as they are deep in the mix. Although they are barely audible, removing them can change the whole complexion of the song. They fill in where the sound space might otherwise be empty, which can lose the impact of the entire piece of work.
I have added but one BIAB RT or drum track to some the many songs Di and I created in a different program - in order to meet the spirit of the forum's guidelines. Sometimes it's as simple as a wood block or a Hi Hat.
Your music is always near perfect and is always a great listen.
Keep posting and I'll keep listening.
As far as AI use, I accept that it's here, it's going to get used more frequently, and it's going to get better with its capabilities. It's my thought that in the not-too-distant future, those to refuse to use are going to get left behind. I'm not fond of that prediction, but the truth will find its way and believe AI's future influence - possibly necessity to be relevant - will be the new truth before we know it. As a music cr4eator, I don't like that thought, but we will have to accept that it's going to be a huge influence on future music creation, even in the major studio recording studios in Nashville, Atlanta, New York, and LA. Even more important than the musical influence it will surely have, I fear what it is going to do to mankind in general. I fear it will become a huge and malignant dark shadow over all our lives as many bad actors will use it to invade our lives in so many ugly ways.
OK - done with all of that.
Your music is nearly unblemished and such a joy to listen to.
Best to you.
Alan
PS: the only recommendation i would make is I think the bass could be louder as, in my opinion, that help to drive dark side of the story. Thank you very much, Alan, for taking the time to give me such detailed feedback on both the song and my question And I completely agree with your thoughts on the future and the potential dangers of AI.
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Thank you for taking the time to listen and comment, Floyd. It's much appreciated for many reasons
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B.D.,
Great! So professional!
First of all, the vocal expressiveness is absolutely amazing.
If this is the power of Suno, then I think that myself and the other people on this forum need to get serious about Suno.
However, I don't want to rely everything on Suno.
Depending on the style of the song, BIAB may be better.
So it really depends on the case.
Enjoyed my listen and watch a lot.
Best regards.
Shigeki Adachi Thanks a lot for your really nice comment, Shigeki Adachi. Suno is definitely great, but it takes a lot of tedious work to really make a song your own, especially if you're as much of a control freak as I am
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I am for almost anything that goes against all current trends. The song is majestically stirring. I'm amazed (and somewhat troubled by) at how authentic the Suno AI vocal sounds. Never would I have discerned that it wasn't sounds human. Here comes Skynet . Seriously, the song and production is fantastic. Now worries about the length. It sustains interest throughout. Thank you very much for your kind words, Scott. And, you're right, as much as I love producing vocals with Synthesizer V, I would never be able to create such intense vocals with it. "Rockin' Skynet" would be a cool band name.
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Truly an epic masterpiece.
The sound literally blows you out of the room.
The vocals are stunning.
It's incredibly good.
However, the question remains:
How much of this mix is really YOUR song?
I believe that anyone who works with Suno or similar AI loses control over the song.
You can't compare that to BiaB, because with BiaB you retain control.
But that's just my opinion.
In any case, it's a TOP song.
Andi ;-) Thanks Andi There are actually some pretty clever tricks you can do with uploading your own audio files and cover/remaster them to get the chords you want and (more or less) 90% of the original melody. But I agree, you can't compare something like this to BIAB. That's why in the future I'll limit my Suno work here to vocals, which seems more appropriate to me.
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Wow.... What an intro. Absolute awesome piece of music. Incredible ......... Thank you , Scott, for listening and your nice words. Much appreciated!
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It's a really good song in every way. Regarding the AI debate, I feel like the boundaries are constantly being pushed. My concern is that it ends up doing everything.
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Pretty darn amazing. Good lyric. AI is amazing, here to stay and will only get better. My only hope is that the future landscape includes non-AI music. I think it will, but you never know!
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Wow! Big time Suno voice, nice echoed vocal, make sure you make it into a Suno persona and make it public so we can use it, I do with my personas. Good job.
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Pretty darn amazing. Good lyric. AI is amazing, here to stay and will only get better. My only hope is that the future landscape includes non-AI music. I think it will, but you never know! Thanks Ian I think, after the big war, when there's no more electricity, there will always be someone around the campfire who grabs a guitar and gets people singing along
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Wow! Big time Suno voice, nice echoed vocal, make sure you make it into a Suno persona and make it public so we can use it, I do with my personas. Good job.
Donny Thanks a lot, Donny. I could do publish a persona, of course, but you would be disappointed. It took countless hours of work to get that sound. But, I guess that in about a year or so, Suno will deliver similar or better results, and I'm outta work.
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It's a really good song in every way. Regarding the AI debate, I feel like the boundaries are constantly being pushed. My concern is that it ends up doing everything.
Laurent Sorry for overlooking your comment, Laurent. Merci beaucoup for your kind comment
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Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
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In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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