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Just purchased BIAB Pro 25 and just working my way around it. I am new to all this stuff although a pretty good windows user so please be gentle with me  First of many basic questions:- 1. I have set a song to end at bar 23. "end" is written in red at the top left of this bar. How do I delete the end in this bar? Ive looked in help and can't make sense of it. 2. I have set my first 8 bars to repeat twice, and then it goes into a chorus. How do I set it to go back to bar 1 after the chorus? Thanks all Steve
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Dan,
Thanks for the reply. That should sort my issue 😃 I'll have a go later 👍
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This is a start. Welcome to the forum.  ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=31369&filename=Screenshot 2025-09-29 115746.jpg) Just given this a try. Its helped but I'm still slighly confused. I'm trying to do a backing track in the following format:- No Intro 8 Bar verse played twice (in a slected style) 8 bar chorus played once (in a different style) return to start of verse and then repeat for a selected number of times. No count in or 2 bar ending. I'm struggling to understand how to do this using the many functions provided 
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Hang in, we'll get there. You cannot (to my knowledge) make more than one section repeat using the little window shown in Dan's screen. So, I would not do a repeat just for the eight bars you said in this step: 8 Bar verse played twice. I would instead make that 16 bars. Then the number at the far right, the number of repeats for the whole song, is your "selected number of times".
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Hang in, we'll get there. You cannot (to my knowledge) make more than one section repeat using the little window shown in Dan's screen. So, I would not do a repeat just for the eight bars you said in this step: 8 Bar verse played twice. I would instead make that 16 bars. Then the number at the far right, the number of repeats for the whole song, is your "selected number of times". Thanks for the reply. I'd actually already done that as a work around 😃 I created a 16 bar verse followed by an 8 bar chorus with a 4x repeat at the end of the chorus. I then edited the song style to the one I wanted at the start of each bar of repeating verse's and chorus's I'm thinking that I should be able to do this using the incredible number of functions/settings available to me 🤔
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Steve, you have jumped into the deep end of the pool. Best to start in the shallows to get your feet wet. What Matt has recommeded is a tried and true "workaround" which many of us have adapted. The feature we are suggesting for starting out is called "Unfold to one chorus." This converts your song from the repeated, structural form which your are outlining, into a single, continuous linear progression of bars that you can edit manually. This is the most efficient way to extend choruses and manage the song's full structure. In the long run this will save you lots of frustration. Keep it simple, just write out the chords in a linear fashion instead of implementing "Repeats / Codas / 1st and second endings", which by the way is found by R-Clicking on a bar or you find it in the menu item for "Song Form" which includes tag endings. Of couse if you are a daring soul, then feel free to go down this road less traveled. There are guys here how can likely help - but not me! 
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Are you used to working in a DAW? If so the sister program, Realband, may be more intuitive for you. If you use a Windows computer, you got it free with BiaB. Just a thought.
Otherwise, lots of good help around here for BiaB.
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Steve, you have jumped into the deep end of the pool. Best to start in the shallows to get your feet wet. What Matt has recommeded is a tried and true "workaround" which many of us have adapted. The feature we are suggesting for starting out is called "Unfold to one chorus." This converts your song from the repeated, structural form which your are outlining, into a single, continuous linear progression of bars that you can edit manually. This is the most efficient way to extend choruses and manage the song's full structure. In the long run this will save you lots of frustration. Keep it simple, just write out the chords in a linear fashion instead of implementing "Repeats / Codas / 1st and second endings", which by the way is found by R-Clicking on a bar or you find it in the menu item for "Song Form" which includes tag endings. Of couse if you are a daring soul, then feel free to go down this road less traveled. There are guys here how can likely help - but not me!  If that's the way to go that works for me 👍
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Are you used to working in a DAW? If so the sister program, Realband, may be more intuitive for you. If you use a Windows computer, you got it free with BiaB. Just a thought.
Otherwise, lots of good help around here for BiaB. Not looked at RB yet and never used a DAW no. I'll keep playing with BIAB for now and see how I get on 👍
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Steve, you have jumped into the deep end of the pool. Best to start in the shallows to get your feet wet. What Matt has recommeded is a tried and true "workaround" which many of us have adapted. The feature we are suggesting for starting out is called "Unfold to one chorus." This converts your song from the repeated, structural form which your are outlining, into a single, continuous linear progression of bars that you can edit manually. This is the most efficient way to extend choruses and manage the song's full structure. In the long run this will save you lots of frustration. Keep it simple, just write out the chords in a linear fashion instead of implementing "Repeats / Codas / 1st and second endings", which by the way is found by R-Clicking on a bar or you find it in the menu item for "Song Form" which includes tag endings. Of couse if you are a daring soul, then feel free to go down this road less traveled. There are guys here how can likely help - but not me!  If that's the way to go that works for me 👍 Hi Steve, I do all of my songs in the "unfold" mode. For example I would have measure settings like this, 1,100,1. That is start at measure 1, have 100 measures, and only have 1 chorus; chorus being the jazz term for only play the song once. Most of the time I have to change the number of measures. This saves me the ton of headaches and frustration of working in BiaB. Note some people are experts at working in BiaB using it as is and with some workarounds. Me, I just want to get the song's basics down prior to transferring the song to my DAW. YMMV
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Hi Steve, I do all of my songs in the "unfold" mode. For example I would have measure settings like this, 1,100,1. That is start at measure 1, have 100 measures, and only have 1 chorus; chorus being the jazz term for only play the song once. Most of the time I have to change the number of measures. This saves me the ton of headaches and frustration of working in BiaB. Note some people are experts at working in BiaB using it as is and with some workarounds. Me, I just want to get the song's basics down prior to transferring the song to my DAW. YMMV Thank you. I'll be doing the same 👍
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No Intro 8 Bar verse played twice (in a selected style) 8 bar chorus played once (in a different style) return to start of verse and then repeat for a selected number of times. No count in or 2 bar ending. I'm struggling to understand how to do this using the many functions provided  The first thing to note is that BiaB uses the jazz musicians meaning of "chorus", which is the body of the song, not just the chorus as one would use in, e.g., popular music. Jazz use is just Intro, Chorus(es), Outro/Coda/Tag. As others have said, often the "one big chorus" approach works best ... there's no ambiguity about 1st/2nd/tag/whatever. The second thing to note is that BiaB is big and quite complex and has more than a few quirks and gotchas that sometimes see, out to get us. Don't be embarrassed ... we all trip over lots of them.
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No Intro 8 Bar verse played twice (in a selected style) 8 bar chorus played once (in a different style) return to start of verse and then repeat for a selected number of times. No count in or 2 bar ending. I'm struggling to understand how to do this using the many functions provided  The first thing to note is that BiaB uses the jazz musicians meaning of "chorus", which is the body of the song, not just the chorus as one would use in, e.g., popular music. Jazz use is just Intro, Chorus(es), Outro/Coda/Tag. As others have said, often the "one big chorus" approach works best ... there's no ambiguity about 1st/2nd/tag/whatever. The second thing to note is that BiaB is big and quite complex and has more than a few quirks and gotchas that sometimes see, out to get us. Don't be embarrassed ... we all trip over lots of them. Thank you. Yes there is a lot going on with this software 
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Gordon and Mario make good points. Since the meaning of 'chorus' in BIAB is the jazz meaning* (once through the song), if you are attempting to repeat any sections within the song, and then repeat the whole song, you should follow their advice and Edit, Song Form, Unfold to One Long Chorus.
About a DAW (digital audio workstation) Rharv has a good point too. I think most of us would put together a song that had a complex form by using a DAW, and BIAB ships with a free one bundled, called RealBand. I believe many more of us might be using RealBand if we had not learned another program first. However, if you are new to digital audio, definitely check out RealBand. It has one extremely important advantage over any other DAW on the market: it reads BIAB source files.
*BIAB started as a program to play along with songs from jazz fakebooks
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Gordon and Mario make good points. Since the meaning of 'chorus' in BIAB is the jazz meaning* (once through the song), if you are attempting to repeat any sections within the song, and then repeat the whole song, you should follow their advice and Edit, Song Form, Unfold to One Long Chorus.
About a DAW (digital audio workstation) Rharv has a good point too. I think most of us would put together a song that had a complex form by using a DAW, and BIAB ships with a free one bundled, called RealBand. I believe many more of us might be using RealBand if we had not learned another program first. However, if you are new to digital audio, definitely check out RealBand. It has one extremely important advantage over any other DAW on the market: it reads BIAB source files.
*BIAB started as a program to play along with songs from jazz fakebooks Thank you. I'll take a look at Real Band
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One of the things that will help going forward is to include your OS build and version plus your hardware in your posts. Sometimes, it makes a difference whether you are on Windows 7, 10, 11 or an Intel or Apple Silicon Mac etc. Click on your name in the upper right corner to edit your profile and signature to add this. If you want to have some fun with this, you can use this Hex Color Code Library along with these Formatting Instructions to add color. Go to What UBBCode can I use, and how can I format my posts? on that page. Will do Mike 👍
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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