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We have RealTracks, which are amazing and wonderful! And we have RealStyles, which make RealTracks much more accessible by combining them into sets we can use straight up or as a starting point.

So how about a new feature called RealProductions (or some better name)? These would be a superset of RealStyles where complementary RealStyles are grouped into RealProductions.

One issue I have when using RealStyles is there is usually very little difference in the A and B parts. And modern music will often have big changes in the music for chorus or bridge. So I find myself searching through my massive pile of RealStyles to find something truly complementary to whatever RealStyle I am currently working with. It would be very helpful to have complementary RealStyles identified.

This could be implemented with very little technical changes to BIAB. The easiest implementation would simply be a human-musician-curated list of RealStyles that are complementary to other RealStyles. Then, just add a note to each RealStyle's description listing a few complementary RealStyles.

This would be a cool new feature that everyone using RealStyles could benefit from! Note, I think I've suggested this before but nothing came of that suggestion so here I go again!

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I can see a benefit of listing complementary styles. I often have had to search through a maze of other styles to find one that provides a required but subtle 'variation'.

This could be done for MIDI styles too. (Mario will thank me wink )
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I can see a benefit of listing complementary styles. I often have had to search through a maze of other styles to find one that provides a required but subtle 'variation'.

This could be done for MIDI styles too. (Mario will thank me wink )
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A big +2 , one for the suggestion and one for AT!


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+1.

I would like to know what would be the "criteria" for a style to be complementary?
That would help me a lot in my own search. (I hardly never find what I am looking for).
Only to select the styles with the same filter settings will not work at all, it will only result in a huge list of styles with only a very few being a possible complementary if any at all.
So it would be interesting to now what would be the explicit critera for the musician to use to select a style as complementary?
(and if these criteria could be defined it would useful to have the styles/instruments marked upp so they can be used in a search)


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I am still waiting for the RealTalent plugin!!!!!!


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Originally Posted by shlind
+1.

I would like to know what would be the "criteria" for a style to be complementary?
That would help me a lot in my own search. (I hardly never find what I am looking for).
Only to select the styles with the same filter settings will not work at all, it will only result in a huge list of styles with only a very few being a possible complementary if any at all.
So it would be interesting to now what would be the explicit critera for the musician to use to select a style as complementary?
(and if these criteria could be defined it would useful to have the styles/instruments marked upp so they can be used in a search)
I think this must be a human-musician-curated effort and even then it will be subjective.

The current option to locate a style by entering a song name really does not work well at all IMHO. It seems to work by simply providing a massive list of styles that roughly match the tempo, time sig, etc. I gave up on this feature long ago.

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Originally Posted by JohnJohnJohn
Originally Posted by shlind
+1.

I would like to know what would be the "criteria" for a style to be complementary?
That would help me a lot in my own search. (I hardly never find what I am looking for).
Only to select the styles with the same filter settings will not work at all, it will only result in a huge list of styles with only a very few being a possible complementary if any at all.
So it would be interesting to now what would be the explicit critera for the musician to use to select a style as complementary?
(and if these criteria could be defined it would useful to have the styles/instruments marked upp so they can be used in a search)
I think this must be a human-musician-curated effort and even then it will be subjective.

The current option to locate a style by entering a song name really does not work well at all IMHO. It seems to work by simply providing a massive list of styles that roughly match the tempo, time sig, etc. I gave up on this feature long ago.

I fully agree. But I am wondering if it is possible for the "human-musician" to categorize what he is listening to that makes a style to be a candidate for a complementary, and is that something that can be catched and categorised? There must be something in the music in addition to the filter parameters that makes a style a candidate to to be a complementary. If there is a specific dimension, pattern or something else maybe that could be used to improve the search facility.
The current filters do not work at all for this I don't use it at all anymore.
So yes, It need to be a human-musician-curated effort, but could something be learnt from it?


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They already have this. We just don't have very many that were pre-made.

BIAB introduced MultiStyles some years ago but you don't hear much about it because to my knowledge there are no recent new ones. However, you can construct your own. Here's a bit about it from Help, Index:

Band-in-a-Box MultiStyles are styles that can have up to 24 Substyles; original Band-in-a-Box styles had two Substyles, "a" and "b". Band-in-a-Box MultiStyles typically have four Substyles, but may have up to twenty-four, selected by using part markers "a" through "x". -- and there's a lot more info to read --


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Originally Posted by Matt Finley
They already have this. We just don't have very many that were pre-made.

BIAB introduced MultiStyles some years ago but you don't hear much about it because to my knowledge there are no recent new ones. However, you can construct your own. Here's a bit about it from Help, Index:

Band-in-a-Box MultiStyles are styles that can have up to 24 Substyles; original Band-in-a-Box styles had two Substyles, "a" and "b". Band-in-a-Box MultiStyles typically have four Substyles, but may have up to twenty-four, selected by using part markers "a" through "x". -- and there's a lot more info to read --
Yeah, I know about MultiStyles. I suspect it was one of those "50 New Features" that was never fully implemented. There are only a handful of them available so they really do not come close to granting my wish! And, of the few I have tried they don't really do much more than drop or add an instrument here or there. Same style but without the banjo. Same style but add an organ.

After 13 years of diligently buying every upgrade and add-on my biggest problem with BIAB is how to find styles.
- the search feature that lets me type in a song title is almost useless; it returns a huge list of styles that only remotely resemble the input song.
- the genre tags on styles often seem wrong to me
- filter string is often unhelpful; why are _SNEAKY and _HOPSKIP returned in a search for polka?
- I can't search within a search result to narrow results
- I can't filter OUT certain styles; jazz and klezmer will never be of interest to me
- I can't save search results

If they made significant improvements to the search maybe my wish wouldn't even be worth considering. But given the limits of the current search and the fact that this is only getting worse as we get even more RealStyles, we desperately need a better way to locate styles.

So...

My wish is for an effort by PGM's pro music team to curate many/most/all of the 12,207 styles I own so that, once I choose a style, a short (or long) list of complementary styles are identified.

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Thanks for the tip about making my own MultiStyles but I already have a day job! For me, producing music is supposed to be fun and relaxing. Creating MultiStyles wouldn't be either! And anyway, given my growing set of 12,207 styles, I'd be highly unlikely to ever reuse a MultiStyle I might create. Once I locate a couple of complementary styles and use them in my song I am not likely to ever use that combination again.

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I can see a benefit of listing complementary styles. I often have had to search through a maze of other styles to find one that provides a required but subtle 'variation'.

This could be done for MIDI styles too. (Mario will thank me wink )
+1

A big +2 , one for the suggestion and one for AT!
+1 for the addition of MIDI to the wish! (Sorry I forgot ya Mario!)

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You are welcome. I am happy to assist in your refining your wish.

Improving the style search process is a frequent request, for all styles including MIDI-based ones. +1

I also agree with your assessment of the existing MultiStyles effort. I'm glad you acknowledge it is a tool they have already given us, that had not yet been mentioned here. So I would like to explore your request further, if that's OK. I am as interested as you are in improving this area of BIAB.

Given so many existing styles, 12,000+, how many permutations of those would make enough combinations that would please more than a few people? Curating lots of these would be a massive effort. You say that you are reluctant to make even one, and you would like PG Music to create them. You might never use yours again, you said. How widely do you think theirs would they be used? I'm also curious, how does someone define a style as complementary to another? How much contrast is required? How much difference is allowed? To help PG Music in this effort, how many substyles are desired to meet your needs?

Yes, making music can be fun and relaxing, but it does take effort to do it well.


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Look at how EZKeys does it. It also has hundreds if not thousands of styles.

For each "style" EZKs provides example songs which each provides a complimentary collection of sub-styles to select. Not surprizingly, they name these sub-styles: Intro, verse, pre-chorus, chorus, bridge, outro. And each sub-style plays the corresponding chords and energy suitable for the named song section. I am afraid BIAB never went down this path. As a result, that does not provide a logical criteria for how one would select a complimentary BIAB set of styles. And lets face it, no one wants to hear a song which combines Blue Grass with Gospel rock. grin


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Dan, that’s one of the longest running discussions on the forum dating back to 1995. BIAB uses the jazz fakebook song model, but some folks prefer the intro, verse, chorus, bridge etc. model. At least doing sub styles using this other approach would make more sense and be easier to know when you had a combination that was ‘done’.


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You are welcome. I am happy to assist in your refining your wish.

Improving the style search process is a frequent request, for all styles including MIDI-based ones. +1

I also agree with your assessment of the existing MultiStyles effort. I'm glad you acknowledge it is a tool they have already given us, that had not yet been mentioned here. So I would like to explore your request further, if that's OK. I am as interested as you are in improving this area of BIAB.

Given so many existing styles, 12,000+, how many permutations of those would make enough combinations that would please more than a few people? Curating lots of these would be a massive effort. You say that you are reluctant to make even one, and you would like PG Music to create them. You might never use yours again, you said. How widely do you think theirs would they be used? I'm also curious, how does someone define a style as complementary to another? How much contrast is required? How much difference is allowed? To help PG Music in this effort, how many substyles are desired to meet your needs?

Yes, making music can be fun and relaxing, but it does take effort to do it well.
As a realist, I understand my request should be filed under "wishful thinking" rather than as a serious wishlist item! laugh

But seriously, I think the way to handle this would be to start from the end. So, start with the newest styles and try and identify a few complementary styles. And maybe limit this effort, at least initially, to the more modern music styles and/or the most popular ones. I certainly agree this would be massive but maybe it never goes beyond the most recent couple of releases?

And as to how widely these would be used I honestly have no idea. But how many people are using VideoTracks or UserTracks? Both features sounded very interesting in marketing materials but I don't think anyone would claim they have become hugely popular.

And to the question of how to define a complementary style, well, that is an excellent question! And I have no idea. And it could well be that it is not possible or at least not practical. I don't mean to continue to gripe about the search but I'm afraid if the search cannot be significantly improved beyond its current state then there is probably little hope for complementary styles being identified in an effective manner.

Maybe the best we can hope for is that PGM will improve the search so that we can find styles more quickly on our own.

To elaborate on my point about me making my own MultiStyles, I bought BIAB (over and over) to help me make music. When I search and search and finally find a couple of complementary styles I'm ready to use those styles to do the thing I use BIAB for! Make music. Not create a MultiStyle I will almost certainly never use again. It would be an extra step without purpose and drag me further away from making music. Now, if someone loves playing with creating MultiStyles or UserTracks or VideoTracks, then all the more power to them! I just wanna make some music using these awesome RealTracks and I'd love an easier way for me to mine this pile of 12,000+ styles!

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As a short cut to hours of searching and hunting for particular styles, I simply save groups of favorites that generally fit the styles/songs I play live. I gave up long ago of trying to locate the perfect fit for each song. Just get in the ballpark for blues tunes, country, swing, bossa, etc. and it all falls into place. Can’t recall ever having a complaint on something wrong with a real style, which I use. But, maybe the performance, yes.

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It is a mystery to me why PG has not put in more effort to try to implement a more efficient search facility.
With all the musicians/creators of RTs around it ought to be possible to get some input of what it is in the music that makes it a similar style, groove, complementary etc.
Or maybe they have tried but can’t find any way around it.
But now with various AI support packages that seem to become available maybe it will change.
I don’t know how these AI support software works if they come as a package (pre learnt) that the customer just integrate into their software or if they come as a package that the customer can further teach to their specific purpose.
If the latter and if there was such an AI package available that can be teached to recognize similarities in music, then to me it ought to be possible to feed all the BIAB styles and instruments into the AI and teach it what would be good matches, similar music, complementary styles etc. And the human input would probably be limited and only need to go through enough permutations of styles so the algorithms get the hang of it. I don’t know is these types of AI software is available yet.


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Originally Posted by shlind
It is a mystery to me why PG has not put in more effort to try to implement a more efficient search facility.
With all the musicians/creators of RTs around it ought to be possible to get some input of what it is in the music that makes it a similar style, groove, complementary etc.
Or maybe they have tried but can’t find any way around it.
But now with various AI support packages that seem to become available maybe it will change.
I don’t know how these AI support software works if they come as a package (pre learnt) that the customer just integrate into their software or if they come as a package that the customer can further teach to their specific purpose.
If the latter and if there was such an AI package available that can be teached to recognize similarities in music, then to me it ought to be possible to feed all the BIAB styles and instruments into the AI and teach it what would be good matches, similar music, complementary styles etc. And the human input would probably be limited and only need to go through enough permutations of styles so the algorithms get the hang of it. I don’t know is these types of AI software is available yet.
Yeah, I wonder too if AI could help with this. Maybe PGM could contract some service like Suno to "listen" to all their demos and then generate a chart of complementary styles. I wonder if there is some risk to doing that since, once the AI "learns" something, it might be used in unauthorized ways.

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JohnJohbJohn, thanks for a thoughtful response. I agree with you. And you aren’t ’griping about the search’. Rather, you’ve given some practical ideas for what many of us would like to see. Starting with the most recent RealTracks makes sense. The request for an improved way of searching for the sounds we want is perhaps the best way to improve the program now.


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As most would agree, the devil is in the detail.

Two things:
1: I believe that AI could be engaged to do a large part of the analysis and matching, at least to get the heavy lifting done.
2: The company has previously mentioned looking at style selection based on pattern matching from an input source, be it an audio recording or a drum / rhythm pattern, etc. This suggestion might slot neatly into that concept too.


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It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!

The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.

The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.

Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.

Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.

Holiday Weekend Hours

As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:

April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours

Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!

— Team PG

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