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Originally Posted by MarioD
I listen to all genres of music. Some I like while others not so much. I keep an open mind when it comes to music. I have learned at least one thing from every genre. It could be a short section, a short bass or lead line, rhythms, chord progressions, etc. I don't speak for any group. I only speak for myself.
More power to you and I generally agree.
But "all" is a giant of a word. I certainly don't (and can't and haven't) listened to all genres as there are far too many and I'm sure there are some I'm flat out unaware of and/or don't have access to. And life is still good and I'm moving forward.

I too try to learn something from the genres I do listen to and have learned (for me) there is little if anything I can learn of value from free form jazz and Yoko's screaming. That said, I do have an open mind.

Plus once you realize that in the big scheme of things, we (even your kids and grand kiddies) will all be dead soon, that you try to spend your valuable and limited time wisely. For me I'd rather study Sting and Paul McCartney so as to improve my tradecraft than study Yoko.

Some of us have decades ahead, some a few years, some a few weeks, while others have hours or less. So live long and prosper as Spock would say.

It all comes down to what it is you value and enjoy.

PS> So let's all try to keep those trucks muffled and our brainstems healthy, we're going to need those stems wink


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To be fair
Comparing Sting or McCartney to jazz is like comparing KennyG to Michael Brecker
Totally different animals.

There is a lot to be learned from each though.
It doesn't have to be free form at first, start with something easier, like Brecker Bros. "Straphangin", but that's how they get you hooked.
Next thing you know you're free-forming in Harlem <grin>

/geez I hope *somebody laughed

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rharv, well, *I* laughed. But I get it.

Whether we hear beauty or ugliness or "music" in sound is SO personal. For example, free jazz almost always makes me smile. But I like the sound of a concert orchestra tuning up, too. Plenty of people cringe at both. I may have once upon a time, but can't recall.

I like your idea about finding a gateway into a new genre and pivoting from there. That's always an insightful journey, no matter the outcome.


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Originally Posted by rharv
To be fair
Comparing Sting or McCartney to jazz is like comparing KennyG to Michael Brecker
Totally different animals.

There is a lot to be learned from each though.
It doesn't have to be free form at first, start with something easier, like Brecker Bros. "Straphangin", but that's how they get you hooked.
Next thing you know you're free-forming in Harlem <grin>

/geez I hope *somebody laughed
HaHa free-forming in Harlem? I’d say quite unlikely.
But I’m not comparing Sting or McCartney to jazz at all. I’m saying time on this rock is limited and so priorities and time management is a must if I want to achieve my goals. Plus personal taste is huge.

I don’t know Brecker Bros but I do like, learn and play smooth jazz and jazz-rock artists like Steely Dan, and George Benson. One goal is to learn and interpret an easy Snarkey Puppy song (if there is such a thing) for my Bass Overlay project.

I’m about halfway thru the book and it’s getting better and better. At the end of chapter 6 he says:

The story of your brain on music is the story of an exquisite orchestration of brain regions, involving both the oldest and newest parts of the human brain, and regions as far apart as the cerebellum in the back of the head and the frontal lobes just behind your eyes. It involves a precision choreography of neurochemical release and uptake between logical prediction systems and emotional reward systems. When we love a piece of music, it reminds us of other music we have heard, and it activates memory traces of emotional times in our lives. Your brain on music is all about, as Francis Crick repeated as we left the lunchroom, connections.

How we process music is indeed a BIG and fascinating story, a story that I don’t think we yet know everything about, but pieces are falling together. And this is the same Francis Crick who played a role in deciphering the helical structure of the of DNA molecule. Crick was also interested in music from a neuroscience perspective.


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I like my music to be predictable most of the time but with nice surprises mixed in. I like themes and/or motif development, as that adds interest to me. I think melody is important, probably because my primary instrument is saxophone. Too much repetition bores me, as it becomes too predictable. I also like a release from the tonic key somewhere in the song. Too much of the same becomes too predictable, too.
I don't play the sax, and agree with this. One way I look at music is a dialog or conversation between the composer/performer and me. A piece of music is trying to communicate something, quite often emotionally. The question becomes, am I able to interpret and understand what the "message" is. If the answer is yes, there is a possibility I will like it. If the answer is no, it's not for me.

Since you play an instrument, I'm curious about your thoughts on the "10,000 hour rule". Here is what Levitin says.

The emerging picture from such studies is that ten thousand hours of practice is required to achieve the level of mastery associated with being a world-class expert – in anything. In study after study of composers, basketball players, fiction writers, ice skaters, concert pianists, chess players, master criminals, and what have you, this number comes up again and again.


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The emerging picture from such studies is that ten thousand hours of practice is required to achieve the level of mastery associated with being a world-class expert – in anything. In study after study of composers, basketball players, fiction writers, ice skaters, concert pianists, chess players, master criminals, and what have you, this number comes up again and again.

I've been working at my job for 14 years (X 2000 hrs/yr = 28,000)
I must be a world class expert.

I think maybe you also have to have a certain knack for something, to begin with, before that 10,000 hrs can start ...
otherwise all us old guys would be world class experts smile


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Originally Posted by rharv
I've been working at my job for 14 years (X 2000 hrs/yr = 28,000)
I must be a world class expert.

I think maybe you also have to have a certain knack for something, to begin with, before that 10,000 hrs can start ...
otherwise all us old guys would be world class experts smile
I wouldn't sell yourself short. After 28,000 hrs of doing essentially the same job you probably are a world-class expert. Whether you are recognized as such by society or even your boss is another question smile

Like most rules, the "10,000 hr rule" has value but I'd say, it can't be an absolute rule. I'd guess that some have reached world-class status in less that 10,000 and others required more. The value I take away from this "rule" (even if it has been observed over and over) is that persistense and perseverence is required; I call this a "fire in your belly". Some have it, most don't; indeed, from my observations, most people are flat-out lazy and lethargic when it comes down to it, never accomplishing much in life.

But even more than fire is required. I'm probably approaching the 10,000 hr mark on my bass; approx 3 hrs per day over 10 years. BUT I'll never be world-class even though I have a bit of "fire". I'm self-taught and the "practice" I do is far from optimal, plus I started late in life. For neural pathways to really be solidified, the younger the better. Of course, there are exceptions to this too, but I'm not one. In any event, what does it take to become world-class is an interesting question.


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Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
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Since you play an instrument, I'm curious about your thoughts on the "10,000 hour rule". Here is what Levitin says.

The emerging picture from such studies is that ten thousand hours of practice is required to achieve the level of mastery associated with being a world-class expert – in anything. In study after study of composers, basketball players, fiction writers, ice skaters, concert pianists, chess players, master criminals, and what have you, this number comes up again and again.

I don't think we can quantize it like that. Some people can master an instrument in less time than that, and some could probably put twice that amount of time and never master it. We all have different talents and abilities.

I've been playing sax since I was a kid, I do this for a living, so I figure I've put a lot of hours at it. Have I mastered it? What does that even mean? I'm very comfortable playing it, it's an extension of me, but I still learn things, too. But that's one of the things I like about it.

Although sax is my primary instrument, I also play flute, wind synthesizer, guitar, bass, drums, keyboards, and vocals in various levels of competency/incompetency.

I don't think about mastering any of them. I just play, enjoy what I'm playing, and I also enjoy learning new things about each instrument.

One thing I've learned is this: No matter how good you are on your instrument, there is always someone better, and conversely, someone not as good as you. Does that matter to me? Nope, I accept that.

Life is too short. I'm having a good time making a living doing music and nothing but mucic. I didn't make the big time and become filthy rich, and the odds are against that happening now, But I live a modest life without a ton of possessions, but no debt, and I'm rich in enjoyable life experiences.

I consider myself lucky to be able to do what I love and make it my vocation.


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FWIW - If you think that you have mastered an instrument you are totally mistaken and might as well quit playing. There is always more to learn. In every professional musician's interview I had ever read they say there is more to learn. If they are still learning then I have a long way to go!


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Originally Posted by Notes Norton
I've been playing sax since I was a kid, I do this for a living, so I figure I've put a lot of hours at it. Have I mastered it? What does that even mean?
You’ve got a great story.

Note that he’s talking about the level of mastery associated with being a world-class expert. When I combine “mastery” and “world-class expert”, people like Beethoven come to mind but also a select few that are less accomplished musicians; but not a whole lot less. The bar is high.

On page 193 he says:
The ten-thousand-hour theory is consistent with what we know about how the brain learns. The strength of a memory is related to how many times the original stimulus has been experienced. Memory strength is also a function of how much we care about the experience. Caring may, in part, account for some of the early differences we see in how quickly people acquire new skills.

What is instrument “mastery” you ask?

One definition is a deep understanding of the instrument that has come from significant study and experience. A “master” understands the strengths and limitations of his instrument such that he/she is able to reliably control it to express what they want, when they want, such that others admire their talent and place them in a rarified, lofty group of elites. I would also say that to have mastered an instrument that others would favorably compare them to other “greats” that have come before. And almost by definition, a world-class master is rare and often are sought after (around the world) for their performances and teaching. Additionally, other masters and highly accomplished people will publically acknowledge their talent, be it in books, film, TV, podcasts, college course material, etc.
[Others may have their own definition(s), but this is what comes to my mind.]


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FWIW - If you think that you have mastered an instrument you are totally mistaken and might as well quit playing. There is always more to learn. In every professional musician's interview I had ever read they say there is more to learn. If they are still learning then I have a long way to go!
Agreed.

I think these 7 siblings would also agree.
The video is located on the right.

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FWIW - If you think that you have mastered an instrument you are totally mistaken and might as well quit playing. There is always more to learn. In every professional musician's interview I had ever read they say there is more to learn. If they are still learning then I have a long way to go!
Agreed.

I think these 7 siblings would also agree.
The video is located on the right.

Kanneh-Mason

I read the article but for some reason the video would not play. It turned back as soon as I click on it.
That was an amazing story.


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I read the article but for some reason the video would not play. It turned back as soon as I click on it.
That was an amazing story.
I enjoyed it on broadcast TV last night and then this morning googled it.
If you click the video, an ad may first play, followed by the actual video; it looks 13:11 long.

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I read the article but for some reason the video would not play. It turned back as soon as I click on it.
That was an amazing story.
I enjoyed it on broadcast TV last night and then this morning googled it.
If you click the video, an ad may first play, followed by the actual video; it looks 13:11 long.

When I click on the video that little window goes completely black and nothing plays, even after waiting for awhile.


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The Sixty Minutes video works for me, FWIW...

A very cool, uplifting story.

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I finally got to view it. I had to go to Paramount+, look up 60 minutes, then search for the video. Those kids are fantastic musicians.


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I finally got to view it. I had to go to Paramount+, look up 60 minutes, then search for the video. Those kids are fantastic musicians.
Glad you enjoyed it. I hope many young people around the world are inspired by stories like that one. I’d guess that the “10,000 hours” that they accumulated were high-quality hours.

Here’s more from Levitin on the subject.

The ten-thousand-hours theory is consistent with what we know about how the brain learns. Learning requires the assimilation and consolidation of information in neural tissue. The more experiences we have with something, the stronger the memory/learning trace for that experience becomes.

The classic rebuttal to the ten-thousand-hours argument goes something like this: “Well, what about Mozart? I hear he was composing symphonies at the age of four! And if he was practicing forty hours a week since the day he was born, that doesn’t make ten thousand hours.”


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FWIW - The ten-thousand-hours theory is just that, a theory. As pointed out many of use old timers have way more than ten-thousand-hours and are not master musicians. Plus I have seen and heard many young kids whom couldn't have put in 10K and are fantastic, maybe not master musicians but close. And some are master musicians after 10K. We are all wired a little differently thus we all learn a little differently.
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“Well, what about Mozart? I hear he was composing symphonies at the age of four! And if he was practicing forty hours a week since the day he was born, that doesn’t make ten thousand hours.”

Well, he was eight at the time:

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Many years later, Nannerl described the scene as their father lay dangerously ill: “In order to occupy himself, Mozart composed his first symphony with all the instruments of the orchestra, especially trumpets and kettledrums. I had to transcribe it as I sat at his side. While he composed and I copied he said to me, ‘Remind me to give the horn something worthwhile to do!’” The work later known as Symphony no. 1 in E-flat, K. 16, might be this piece, but probably not—that symphony was indeed written in London, but it does not have trumpets and drums. In any case, after his first try, Wolfgang started turning out symphonies for small orchestra designed for his and Nannerl’s London concerts.

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FWIW - The ten-thousand-hours theory is just that, a theory. We are all wired a little differently thus we all learn a little differently.
Just my 2 cents and your 2 cents may be different.
Indeed we all learn differently, by a little or by a lot . . . and there are reasons for that.

If we start at conception, what is the health status of the mother? What stressors is she under? Is she being abused? Is she addicted to illegal drugs? What, if any, music is she listening to while pregnant? Does she have high-quality pre-natal care including diet? Then we have the home and school environment the child is born into, and the parent(s) attitude towards music, etc., etc.

Even though one might say that learning/being successful in music is for the privileged and fortunate and that the earlier you start the better, there are notable exceptions. Think Dolly Parton and Brenda Lee.


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Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
  • Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
  • RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
  • SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!

All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!

It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!

The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.

The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.

Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.

Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.

Holiday Weekend Hours

As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:

April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours

Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!

— Team PG

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