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“Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” #870486 11/29/25 06:41 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,725 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late Planobilly OP Veteran
OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,725 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	A lot of folks on here already know this, but some people still don’t want to say it out loud: Suno won the race. Period. That’s the headline. They’re the first AI music company to make legit deals with major labels. They beat the lawsuits. They’re getting licensed. And they’re moving AI music out of the “wild west” and into the actual music business. Like it or hate it, AI music isn’t going away. It’s going to be part of the ecosystem, it’s going to be legal, and it’s going to be monetized. That’s not an opinion — that’s where the industry is already heading. And here’s one of the uncomfortable parts: This is already changing things in Nashville. Used to be, you’d hire a studio and a crew of players to cut a demo. Now people are using Suno to get a full demo for basically nothing. Publishers don’t care how it was made — they just care whether the song works. That means some demo studios and session musicians are getting pushed out. Not because anyone “hates musicians,” but because the economics changed overnight. I’m not cheering it, I’m not trashing it. I’m just telling you what’s happening. More later. Cheers, Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870489 11/29/25 07:08 AM Off-Topic
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,664 Middlesex, NC	And..... the word is out, quietly, of course, that some of the top artists in all genres are using it to assist with writing and composing. Of course, no one is going to admit publicly to that. Which now, of course, makes it even harder for unknown writers to even get a foot in the door. Oh yeah, the shift is already happening in the demo studio business and with those companies that write custom songs for individuals. I was a singer/songwriter for one of those companies for a while, and got a number of nice jobs. AI was just getting started but the requests and jobs dropped off to nothing within a few months as AI started to garner attention and folks could do their own custom song by typing in the key points they wanted covered.... and for free or almost free, vs what the the custom song service was charging . Song services, demo studios, session players, and more are finding it harder to get work and make a living from music that was once lucrative. Vinyl and tape got replaced by CD's. CD's got replaced by digital downloads which were quickly replaced by streaming. As Dylan said.... the times they are a changing. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870495 11/29/25 07:43 AM Off-Topic
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DC Ron Veteran Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,216	Yep. Also the topic of Rick Beato's latest rant post. DC Ron BiaB Audiophile Presonus Studio One ASUS I9-12900K DAW, 32 GB RAM Presonus Faderport 16 Too many guitars (is that a thing?)

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870559 11/29/25 03:30 PM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,725 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Yes, Bud, it sucks, but it is what it is. I am 79, only one year behind you, so I get what you say. None of these things affects me in any real way. Yes, I sort of know what Suno is, but I never used it. Not to say I would not, or I would use it. I am way deep into AI, and Suno is child's play compared to the insanity I am involved in with AI. I just got back from Europe. I got to play live just like you and I did when we were kids. Most fun I have had in a good while. I feel empathy for anyone who gets displaced by technology. There are worse things...life goes on. I assume there may be a few aboriginals living in tree tops in remote places north of Australia, wearing only one item that I want define here. So... there are those who cannot change with the technology, those who choose not to, and people like me who are on the other far end of the spectrum. None of that is right or wrong, good or bad. In fact, in my less-than-educated mind, there is no good or bad, just cause and effect. Cheers, Billy Last edited by Planobilly; 11/29/25 03:35 PM. “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870563 11/29/25 03:54 PM Off-Topic
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,020 Hamlin NY	I'm getting a chuckle reading these threads. It brought back memories of the discussions about BiaB replacing real musicians. When DJs and DWI laws curtailed bars, dance halls, and other places from hiring bands only those whom used BiaB or other backing track programs where working musicians. I believe the same thing will happen with AI. Adapt it and use it as a tool and keep on playing. I'm sure the pros will. Just my 2 cents. It takes courage for a man to admit his wife was wrong. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870620 11/30/25 03:51 AM Off-Topic
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musiclover Veteran Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,123 Derry,Ireland	And someone in the future will write a great Hit song, and the major headline will be "No AI involved" such will be the common use of AI and most people not imagining writing a song without it. Musiclover My music https://www.youtube.com/user/donegalprideofall Windows 10 (64bit) M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Band in a Box 2025, Cubase 14, Cakewalk and far too many VST plugins that I probably don't need or will ever use

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870640 11/30/25 06:15 AM Off-Topic
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Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,445 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	Survival goes to the adaptable rather than the fittest. The Luddites never got their jobs back. I'm in the live performance end of the business, so far AI isn't hurting my biz. DJs, Open Mic Nights, Karaoke, Sports Bars, and so many other things have already done that. I've adapted. I'm not a songwriter. Every time I try, the lyrics I come up with sound trite and hackneyed. Probably because the lyrics are the last thing in a song I'm interested in. There is the groove, how the drummer and bass player are working together, how the chords fit to give me both prediction and surprise, how the melody fits with the chords (at this point, the words are just articulation, not language), how all the other instruments are contributing to make the song work, and so on. I suppose there will be a time when I learn an AI generated song to please my audience. I'm OK with that. And I suppose there will be a time when live musicians will be totally replaced. At my age, I can't see that happening before I leave the stage. “The Only Constant in Life Is Change.”- Heraclitus I've adapted quite a bit in my career. From playing nothing but sax and doubling on drums in a 5-piece band, using the house PA system (Usually a 35 watt Bogen amp), to today, making my own backing tracks, playing sax, flute, wind synth, guitar, bass, drums, keyboards and singing with a partner who plays guitar, synth and is an excellent singer. Many stops in between, including cruise ships, opening concerts for major stars, getting exploited by a major label, and so on. I expect more changes in my career, and hopefully, I'll be able to adapt because gigging is the most fun I can have with my clothes on. My advice is not to fight AI, but embrace it. Don't be a Luddite. Insights and incites by Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870695 11/30/25 10:13 AM Off-Topic
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OP Planobilly Veteran Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 2,725 Gulf Of Mexico As Of Late	Yes, Bud, but here is what you are not saying. Medical mistakes are the third or fourth leading cause of death in America. I took my wife to a hospital with intense back pain. They did a CT scan. The doctor told me she had a sprained muscle. They never looked at the CT, or they were totally incompetent. When I got the CT disk and put it on my computer, I could tell that Stevy wonder could have seen those fractures in L2 and L4. After several trips to the hospital and exams by an ENT doctor, she told me I did not have cancer. I came home and put a 7mm camera down my throat and did the exam myself. What I saw indicated cancer. I went back to the hospital the next day and demanded a biopsy. Two days later, it came back positive for carcinoma. The rest is history. I could go on, but you know exactly what I am talking about. No one has ever said AI was 100% or even 80% accurate. It is just like surgeons learning new techniques. They kill some people until they figure out how to get it right Here is my question for you. How many people has your system killed? How many people has AI killed? At least AI states up front in plain language that it does not always have the correct answers. How many times does the medical system in the United States tell a patient that? I agree with you 100% that AI returns dangerously incorrect medical information. I am not proselytizing for some god of AI. It is a technology that has received more money spent this year than most medical research projects. It is already better at reading radology for cancer the the best doctors. Do I want to take the human out of the loop now? Hell no. Do I trust AI emphatically? Hell no. Is it a useful tool in the hands of someone who actually knows how to use it? In my less-than-humble opinion, yes. Look, Bud, I am not trying to bust your chops, but I truly believe that it could be possible that you do not fully understand the scope of AI, what it can do, and what it can not do. We are all in that boat to a greater or lesser degree. This is a new technology in its infancy. It is not easy to use in a meaningful way. Sure, if all someone wants is entertainment, AI is pretty easy. Medical information...that is another issue. When I ask medical questions of any AI, I demand references from peer-reviewed medical journals like The New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet. Then I go read those reviews. In these uses, AI is not a toy; it is a highly knowledgeable research partner. When I ask questions about quantum physics, I already have some understanding of the subject and the mathematical equations involved. There are many things I have spent hours exploring the limits of this technology, only to find that it is unsuitable for the task. Serious electronic troubleshooting, for example. Every tool I own returns unreliable information to some degree. Some people find AI a wonderful tool for music. Some find it a piece of crap. Most complain that it is unfair and unethical because they fear for their livelihood and that of others. AI is frightening and dangerous, but the potential is great that we will rush headlong into the future, danger be damned. It is hugely driven by the profit motive. It is an inflection point of great possible importance. Like it or not, support it or not, at this point, it will either work or bankrupt huge sections of the world economy. This is not about you and me. This is untold billions of dollars that are being spent, and at the end of the day, national security. By the way, I never said it before, but your dog is too cool for words. Cheers, Billy “Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig? “Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #870897 12/01/25 12:34 PM Off-Topic
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,015 Sacramento, California	With AI there were (at least) two big questions: 1. Will AI companies need to license training data? 2. How will AI music be copyrighted? Suno decided to license training data from Warner's. As a result, Suno will create new models based on licensed data. Warner's artists have the option to opt out. How that impacts Suno's output isn't clear - I believe that Adobe's models initially took a large quality hit when they were restricted to licensed content. But it's not clear at all what the commercial use of AI music is, as this is apparently not addressed in the press releases. That is, what is the copyright status of music? AI music still doesn't get copyright status, even if it's generated with licensed music. Plus, it fails to address what happens when music generated from Warner's licensed data infringes on training data. All this remains as it were before. The requirement for copyright requires sufficient human input. What that will look like is still an open question. So it's a big step forward for Suno, but there are still a myriad of legal questions to be addressed. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing? BiaB 2025 \| Windows 11 \| Reaper \| Way too many VSTis.

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” dcuny #870961 12/01/25 10:27 PM Off-Topic
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Poplivion Newbie P Joined: Dec 2025 Posts: 1 Flint, MI	From what I've heard, Suno is pretty faithful to the original. The instrumentation and some of the structure may be different, but if you've uploaded a song you've completed, there'll be no question that Suno's output has been heavily influenced by your original. Your original basslines, strum patterns, chord progressions, and melodies are weaved into Suno's output. Even with changes in style, your input is well represented. Lyricists have a different problem. As far as I know, there's no legal precedent for someone stripping out the vocals and then claiming the instrumental stem is not protected by copyright.

Re: “Suno Won. Here’s What That Means.” Planobilly #871374 12/04/25 06:01 AM Off-Topic
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Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,445 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	OK, I finally investigated Suno, and listening to their featured songs, I am incredibly impressed. A lot of it sounds like what is happening today on the pop/rock/country genres, even with an occasional processed vocal track. If I heard many of them on the radio or Internet stream, and if I wasn't analyzing “is this real or AI”, the thought that it is AI wouldn't have occurred to me. Even some of the processed vocals sound like someone singing with auto-tune. If I were a songwriter or studio musician, it would make me apprehensive. It seems anyone with little or no musical years of musical learning, development, and practice can create a commercial song. Whether it can produce a great song or not is not the question. Most of what I've heard and covered through the years were good songs, but not great ones. My main profession is gigging. I cover the songs I think my audience wants to hear, and/or songs they have requested. I do some “like the record”, some similar but with our own take, and some entirely different. Most of my instrumental solos are improvised on the spur of the moment. I enjoy the creativity of that. I don't think AI is going to cut into what I do soon, DJs, Karaoke, Open Mic Nights, and TV/Sports bars have done that already. My side-gig is writing after market styles for Band-in-a-Box. This is similar to songwriting, in that I take all I learned, and something or many things that influence me, and turn it into something that can be used in BiaB to play commercial or original songs. Would I want AI to do that for me? Personally, I don't. Why? I enjoy the creativity, taking different notes and rhythms, as if they are a puzzle, putting them together, and creating something. In short, I enjoy the process, and when the puzzle is finished, I get the glow of accomplishment. But that's just me. And I would think most artists in the 4 arts enjoy the process. AI producing a landscape painting, reclining nude, Mone-Lisa come lately, impressionist work, surreleastinc scene, abstract canvas, or anything else for me, would be like looking at somene else's work and not the same a creating it myself. But on the commercial, corporate, mass produced art level, AI could be a real moneymaker by eliminating the creators and letting the machine do it. We live in some interesting times. Insights, incites and stream of thought by Notes ♫ Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

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