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Herb,
I'm going to give you a secret squirrel secret tip and this is high level, top security level 5.
The note that I posted to you was derived from an AI search. Only top secret high level security agents will ever be able to identify this because in the first sentence of my post I said the information below comes from an AI search.
I know you have to be on another level, almost some kind of divinely intelligent super being, to ascertain such a thing.
But now I'm onto more secret matters.
Herb, you and I are being sent in on the front lines undercover, in the shadowlands, to fight this AI battle with the largest publishing companies on the face of the Earth in hand-to-hand combat alone, just you and me.
We will be crawling through the tunnels from New York to Nashville on our hands and knees with flashlights strapped to our heads but we can't tell anybody what we're doing or how we're doing it. Your code name is the monkey man. Don't whisper a word of this to anybody not even on the band in a box forum. It's completely hush hush.
Will be working closely with the people whose names we have read on websites at ASCAP, BMI, Netflix and Warner Brothers, using only a borrowed version of Cakewalk Pro Audio from 1999 to guide our way.
When we get to tunnel 12, I want you to unleash the secret code that will turn these AI robots into dust, and then we'll sign a couple of secret papers and meet up with the chairman of the board of the sinister organization, Dark Underworld Media Inc.
And then we're going to cut a deal down in the trenches to take on this musical Antichrist all by ourselves out in the monkey field, where only the dead men die.
Totally hush hush.
You can't tell anybody what we're doing Herb but we're going to save the world from AI, just you and me, in country down range, against all odds, flying into the eye of the tiger.
One last time.
And we're in it to win it.
But don't tell anybody.
Don't tell them anything.
Ssssshhhhhh......
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David Snyder....
That was a hoot.
With an imagination like that you should try songwriting.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I'm in a fitness protection program. I'm been hiding from exercise.
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I must admit it was quite an entertaining read. 
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early 1990s... Imagine someone is coming to a painting studio and saying: Hey, I got this amazing 600dpi inkjet printer at Circuit City and I can print fantastic "artwork" within minutes, and you sit here sweating for days / weeks, producing single picture. Losers! Get with the flow! AI is breakthrough technology, but so as many other revolutionary technologies that co-existed with Arts throughout the centuries. Yes, it is a "present" disruption and without a doubt will cause pain to whole lot of people who are making a living from certain creative work, but in a long run, humans are resilient. Those who want to create will continue to create. They created in times of famine, censorship and war... Just because that is who they are. An interesting fact: Most musicians that I ever knew/know made money on live performances, not records or streaming. This includes artists across the spectrum from opera to electronic music.  With the same passion we can talk about chem fertilizers and GMO's vs traditional farming using good old manure.
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Rusty,
Yes, I think you are quickly adapting. Elon and Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg promise than within a year Fembots and Manbots will be available to provide all of our romantic needs.
There will be no need to ever learn how to speak or talk nicely to a real woman or real man ever again. You can buy one on special at Best Buy! And they will never talk back to you!
Sure some grumpy old men will sit in rocking chairs drooling on themselves, saying, "Yepper, I remember back in the good old horse and buggy days when you used to be able to git yer arms 'round a real women and they smelled right purty. But now all the young hipsters tell me all you need is a robot woman, and they're cheaper. I don't think I want me a robot woman though."
Those old crankpots need to get with the program!!!
Geez!
Progress y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Survival of the fittest!!!!!!!
Wait, can robot women have kids?????
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Yes, I think you are quickly adapting. Elon and Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg promise than within a year Fembots and Manbots will be available to provide all of our romantic needs. Nooo ... there are hundreds, maybe thousands of different genders of bots. Well, so I'm told, anyway. YMMV.
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Yes, I think you are quickly adapting. Elon and Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg promise than within a year Fembots and Manbots will be available to provide all of our romantic needs. Nooo ... there are hundreds, maybe thousands of different genders of bots. Well, so I'm told, anyway. YMMV. My contribution to this thread is this BiaB accompanied demo track that I might finish up seeing as how life is imitating art and all... Move aside, Suno. She Was a Robot
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Man I don't know what to say.
I've listened to Paul McCartney's Yesterday, Your Song by Elton John, Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic by the Police, and I Just Called to Say I Love You by Stevie Wonder.
But those songs dwindle and disappear into nothing when I listen to this, which is perhaps the greatest and most heart-wrenching yet beautiful and immaculately cheesy flavored love song that I've ever listened to, and so Whitney Houston is going to have to give up that title The Greatest Love of All. That title needs to be the subtitle of this song.
This has to have been done by AI, it is just that good, no human being could have done this.
And no human woman could have ever loved a man this good.
Wow.
I cannot wait for the future to get here as fast as it can.
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Man I don't know what to say.
I've listened to Paul McCartney's Yesterday, Your Song by Elton John, Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic by the Police, and I Just Called to Say I Love You by Stevie Wonder.
But those songs dwindle and disappear into nothing when I listen to this, which is perhaps the greatest and most heart-wrenching yet beautiful and immaculately cheesy flavored love song that I've ever listened to, and so Whitney Houston is going to have to give up that title The Greatest Love of All. That title needs to be the subtitle of this song.
This has to have been done by AI, it is just that good, no human being could have done this.
And no human woman could have ever loved a man this good.
Wow.
I cannot wait for the future to get here as fast as it can. Then my work here is done. Peace on earth, goodwill to men...
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Wow, lot's interesting feedback on this, obviously, controversial topic. Great overview of the legal aspects by David Snyder. I was recently introduced to Suno by a long time writing friend of mine. Definitely knew it was coming, but had no idea what the beast looked like, until I took a close look at it. We had discussed it as a writing tool, a way to demo songs from our catalogues that we never had in the past. In Suno you can upload a basic demo, piano-vocal, guitar-vocal, the lyric and then in the Remix/Edit mode, select "Cover". You add a prompt, providing some guidance on style, instrumentation, etc, and within a few minutes you have a surprisingly solid demo, true to your lyric and melody.
But as the posters have noted, it goes way beyond that. Dropping a professionally written lyric into Suno, using good prompts, will spit out a pretty decent song. The system is built on millions of songs being analyzed, and following long established successful patterns of melody, structure, harmonies, etc.. As some have argued, it's not that different than what pro writers do, creating songs out of their past musical influences, what they have cultivated over the years. That's what the WBM was about, that Suno had used millions of copyrights without permission to create songs. Suno convinced the courts, it was not stealing exact lyrics & melodies, only analyzing patterns. It looks like the best WBM and others music companies will be able to do, is get a fee to allow access to catalogues for "model" building.
Getting back to my imaginary Suno song, produced from just a lyric. This, IMO, is where it can get slippery. Everyone is so desperate to get their music used commercially, how many people will run with that AI generated song and claim total authorship, lyric & music. As the article suggests, some writers, stuck for a good chorus, because what they have isn't working, will dump some of their lyric into Suno and may end up using a good portion of the chorus that was generated. Kind of like having a writing partner in the room, but it's a machine. As David Snyder pointed out, if the music or lyric was generated by AI, the copyright office will not issue a copyright (now), but if the song get's cut, a mechanical license will be granted and now that record has copyright protection.
The cat is out of the bag, AI music generation will only continue to improve, especially the fidelity of what they are generating in the country genre. Hopefully, it will be a while before a machine can generate a top notch lyric, but that also is probably coming. Publishers, artists, AR people have probably already been getting some very "cutable" product.
Outside of country/pop, the rest of what I heard on Suno was nothing short of amazing. I imagine the majority of what I have listened to is AI generated, maybe some original lyrics, hopefully some songs based on original lyrics and melody. Makes you think, outside of the inner circle who write with artists and get cuts, artists who write their own material, all the other songwriters, if they are looking to make a living, better learn a trade. Of course it's kind of like that now. If you aren't teaching other people how to write songs or you aren't writing with artists, there's not a lot of money to be made.
As a final thought. Maybe down the road the music industry companies buy the best AI music generating companies and generate the vast majority of commercial music, with actual human artists and maybe a few writers or would they be better described as "prompters". The rest of the masses can have access to a less "robust" AI platform, for those people who want to pick a genre, ask the AI to write a song about a cat, who falls in love with a dog, only to find out the dog is seeing other cats. It will spit out a cute little ditty, but nothing that threatens the real music industry. Oh I just though of a title without AI, "You Dog".
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AI generated gobbledygook is making this forum less enjoyable by the day...
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