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You may not have heard yet, but Robin Williams has upset Prime Minister Kevin Rudd by comments he made about Australia on the David Letterman show.
I want to get in first and say that Mr. Rudd is extremely thin skinned to be upset by what was said.
I thought that, as usual, Robin Williams was hilarious and I'm a true blue, red neck, Aussie son-of-a-son-of an Irishman.
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G'day Tony, yeah, Rudd needs to get a reality check, I'm so tired of all his "Politically Correct" bull, though Williams did miss the mark a bit too. I mean calling us rednecks... We ain't that advanced  BTW, seems we share some heritage, my dad was Irish.
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Yeah.
Now let's see... I would pay good money to hear Robin Williams - I would pay even better money NOT to hear Kevin Rudd.
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In the USA rednecks can come from literally any ethnic heritage or geographical region. However the original appalachian hillbillies are predominately scotch and irish, or so it has been said.
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 You may be a redneck if ..
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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In the USA rednecks can come from literally any ethnic heritage or geographical region. However the original appalachian hillbillies are predominately scotch and irish, or so it has been said.
I saw a documentary about the coal strikes in W. Virginia in the early 1900s. It said that the striking miners wore red bandanas around their neck for identification, hence the word "rednecks."
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In the USA rednecks can come from literally any ethnic heritage or geographical region. However the original appalachian hillbillies are predominately scotch and irish, or so it has been said.
I saw a documentary about the coal strikes in W. Virginia in the early 1900s. It said that the striking miners wore red bandanas around their neck for identification, hence the word "rednecks."
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Thanks Don. Sounds quite plausible.
Having grown up mostly in the south, I always figured it had to do with light-skinned folk who work out in the sun for a living. Especially red-headed or freckled folk. It literally is a red neck, rather than brown tan. It is the kind of term that can either be used as an insult or sign of affection, depending on who says it, and in what context.
The Appalachian Scotch/Irish/English history is something I've been meaning to someday find time to study.
Musicologists went thru the Appalachians during the 1930's, and perhaps earlier, transcribing folk songs. First time I noticed it just in passing, from third- or fourth- removed sources. Back about 1970 got a Joan Baez album that was Appalachian folk songs. And happened on an album of modern renditions of English Elizabethan songs. Possibly Pentangle was the group. The dang songs were identical!
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I read somewhere that many old Irish and Scottish tunes have been better preserved in Appalachia than in the old countries themselves. Maybe because of less, and somewhat later, mixing with other music.
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Hi RB The Appalachian folk were culturally/geographically relatively isolated for a long time after they moved into those mountains within a generation or two of leaving the Isles. Folks didn't just move into the mountains and "stay there" for 300 years really. I think how it worked is that excess mountain population on each generation would keep moving west, so the folks who didn't keep moving west mostly did remain in place. After frontiers opened up past the Appalachians, there were easier ways to get there than straight thru forested mountains with minimal roads. There is a beautiful place in TN, Cades Cove, that was settled real early, but within a couple of generations most of the folk had moved on, and when it was turned into a Park preserve, the population was mainly a few old farmers. http://www.cadescove.net/auto_tour.htmlOne "probability zero" thing I've wondered about-- If the songs have been preserved so accurately, then what about the dialect? Perhaps Shakespeare spoke like Jed Clampett and young Queen Elizabeth sounded like Elly Mae? <g> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beverly_Hillbillies
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I'll try and find links to a CBC documentary. The Hudson's Bay company founded a post on the east side of the bay. They taught Cree Indians to play fiddle. The tunes were Scottish.
The Cree never mutated or changed the tunes. They were taken to Scotland and astounded the musicians with the original tunes from the late 1600's or early 1700's.
Too bad the Vikings that found the continet first and landed in Newfoundland and Labrador didn't leave us music. Of course they were followed by the Templars who only left curious marks, then by the others.
Many of the people in the mountains were hiding from the revolution. Others moved north in droves, including my g grandfather's neighbours. It's fun to visit the old farm we visited when I was a kid. All Amish people now, would look like my ancestors farming with the horses and on some roads they just plain took down the hydro poles for miles. Weird. Really bad land too, more rocks than dirt.
Every year the Shriners of eastern US and Canada go to Pikeville to drink shine and dress up as hillbilly clans. I didn't go that route, the initiation involves getting rubbed with limberger cheese....wow.
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Here's the link about the Fiddler's, I was hoping it was free, but not unless you pay to get into the media places in Toronto or Montreal. The DVD is $19 US. The overview is interesting, I've seen the show on CBC Tv twice, it's well done. It's still, from a musicological perspective to visit this link: http://www.onf-nfb.gc.ca/eng/collection/film/?id=12979If you are there I think the Log Driver's Waltz is free, stick it in their search engine, it's sort of half french/english and some fun to watch...btw, my first job after I quit teaching was log driving...they have outlawed it now, claiming damage to rivers. Bull#. Best fishing ever in those rivers and around the edges of the big booms on Superior or in the mill ponds. Caught a nice 10 foot sturgeon in the mill pond at Smooth Rock Falls in '74. Hung over the tail gate of my redneck canuck F100 eh?
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Billy Ray Cirus did a documentary on the "Rednecks." It was very good, actually. Don S hit the nail on the head, it was the red bandana that started the nickname. I believe they were mostly of the Irish decent.
Mr Rudd let Robin Williams get under his skin?
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Difference between a violin and a fiddle -
A violin has four strings.
A fiddle has four strangs.
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If Robin Williams offended our Australian friends, I am truly sorry. However, the way things have been happening here in the U.S., some of us consider that term complimentary. I was not aware of the red bandana history of the "word", but most of us around where I live consider ourselves at least part "redneck."
Lawrie, you are a funny guy.:)
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I'll try and find links to a CBC documentary. The Hudson's Bay company founded a post on the east side of the bay. They taught Cree Indians to play fiddle. The tunes were Scottish.
The Cree never mutated or changed the tunes. They were taken to Scotland and astounded the musicians with the original tunes from the late 1600's or early 1700's.
Thanks John, that is interesting. Couldn't find the audio example you noted, but the still pics are engaging.
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One "probability zero" thing I've wondered about-- If the songs have been preserved so accurately, then what about the dialect?
Perhaps Shakespeare spoke like Jed Clampett and young Queen Elizabeth sounded like Elly Mae? <g>
According to the book "The Story of English," American English sounds sounds like antiquated English English to British ears.
A handful of 19th-century American expressions such as "California or Bust" (burst), "gal" (girl), and "the spittin' image" (the spirit and image) come to mind. Perhaps a Brit could clue us in on more.
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Old English
Thee and thou, thine, etc.
I fail to see the comparison, but maybe a brit with a history background can jump in...
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I wonder if it's really that easy. Look at England, lots of relatively small counties etc. all with their own dialects and accents.
It seems to me that there is more variety in pronunciation and word usage within the English language in the relatively small space England takes up than in all of the rest of the English speaking world combined. Go back in time and it would be even worse. This modern information/communications age is slowly but surely eliminating the variety.
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I dig. You'd think language would have gotten more uniform after all this time. Maybe like you say the modern info age will even it out some day.
Some Americans get all uptight over a little Spanish here and there. Best I can tell though, it's English that's taking over the world.
I dig how Aussie's talk. It's like Brit's but more laid-back.
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Musicologists went thru the Appalachians during the 1930's, and perhaps earlier, transcribing folk songs. First time I noticed it just in passing, from third- or fourth- removed sources. Back about 1970 got a Joan Baez album that was Appalachian folk songs. And happened on an album of modern renditions of English Elizabethan songs. Possibly Pentangle was the group. The dang songs were identical!
Could be Pentangle, they did a lot of traditional English ballad stuff ... The Trees They Do Grow High, Bruton Town, etc. but they had more of a jazz-influenced style. I wouldn't necessarily call it "modern."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentangle_(band)
Perhaps it was Steeleye Span?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steeleye_Span
Both bands were amazingly great, by the way.
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