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I don’t know if most drummers are “deaf” because of the inherent volume of the drums, or if they think the drums are supposed to be the instrument that’s at the forefront of the group. I can understand if it’s a “hip-hop” song, or even a “rock” song, but other than that, the drums should be a background instrument. Most other instrumentalists know when to "back off". Just my opinion, and I know lots of people will disagree. That’s okay. Scott, Quote:
There's a reason 'good' drummers are hard to find and it's not because drums are so incredibly easy to play on time with skill and panaché.
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Panache is a word of French origin that carries the connotation of a flamboyant manner and reckless courage.
This guy definiteley has flamboyance and reckless courage. No drummer should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I agree that drums aren't easy to play. I only tried once and got a job offer. 
Ooooooooooooops! Did I say that out loud??????? 
The main reason that good drummers are hard to find is that no one who has musical ability wants to play drums. Most people get "drafted" into it. Usually, (but not always), because they arent good enough on another instrument to play in the band. Keepin' the beat is easy, compared to playin' the song.
(Sorry drummers, it ain't personal. I would say it's just a fact, but Kevin will jump my case and say it's just an opinion, so.............it's just my opinion. I'm tryin' to keep the peace these days.)
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Speakin’ of drums, who can tell me what the actual name of of “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida” is without googling it? Or lookin' on the album. Come on now, don’t google it! I learned the drum solo on my couch!! That’s how I got the job offer to be a drummer!!!   Let's face it,,,,,,,,,,if you can beat on shit and do it in time,,,,then you're a decent drummer. If you can do it and barely be noticed,,,,,,,,,then you're a good drummer. If you can do it and no one notices you're there.........then you are a really good drummer.
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I may be a sick man, Mac, but Steve Moore, the guy doing the drumming, must be doing okay. Here's his bio: Quote:
Born February 24 in Elkins WV, Steve Moore has built his entire life around a childhood dream. After seeing Chuck Berry on TV at age 5, Steve begged his parents to let him take guitar lessons. One year later, he was playing all of his favorite songs on guitar for his family. For the next three years Steve continued to study guitar and banjo, along with the piano. At age 9 the school band director gave his class a music test and tried to talk Steve into playing in the school band. Steve ignorantly said, “horns are dumb,” and walked away. The director being unsatisfied, called Steve’s parents the next day, and told them their son had an amazing sense of pitch, and asked that he reconsider. Steve finally gave in and joined the school band under the condition that after six months of playing the trumpet he would be permitted to switch to the drums. Six months later, he would reprioritize his life forever!
Steve performed in the usual school band programs and garage bands though his teens. By high school he was playing every weekend with the areas best bands. However, he soon became restless with merely playing on the weekends and realized that West Virginia was not exactly the music capital of the world. In order to make a living playing music, he would have to relocate.
For the next six years, Steve moved around the North East working in styles from progressive speed metal to punk. Influenced by drummers like Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, and Dave Lombardo, he sharpened his skills at playing with drum loops, odd meters, and polyrhythms. Steve was recording albums and touring (here and there), but was still not making a living playing drums. To support himself he would wash dishes and work in factories. A recording engineer, feeling sorry for Steve, let him sleep on the studio floor for six months in return for his drum tracks. Not exactly what he had in mind when he left West Virginia, but it would have to suffice until he could get a road gig. Steve had learned at a very young age, that most people hear with their eyes…and was not too proud to use this to his advantage. He also noticed that people often associated with spectacles, or “characters,” much like “Ringo Star.” He decided against the cookie cutter approach, and tried to be as OVER THE TOP as possible. One way or another, he WAS going to be noticed…
In 1997, a variety showband called “Rick K and The Allnighters” hired Steve on the spot. The band had a Vegas Style approach, with lots of glitz and flash. Not only were they eager to showcase Steve, they were also established, and in a position to offer him 150-200 dates a year. Steve was playing everything from 50’s and 60’s, to country and pop. While traveling, he would study drummers like Krupa, and Rich, and take notes on their showboating and mannerisms. Steve was finally touring the country, and making a good living as a professional musician.
In 2004, he released his first DVD entitled Over The Barrel. With Steve’s unorthodox stick flips and twirls, the DVD was an immediate success and sold over 2000 units in the first 2 months. Soon after, he was featured in DRUM! Magazine. After viewing the DVD, Waldo the Squid was quoted as saying that Steve was "...twisting, twirling, stick flipping, and flailing like a Vegas version of Tommy Lee."
Steve is now endorsing major companies, with Ludwig being his greatest prize. He even has his own signature drumstick with Pro-Mark. After all the years of struggle and hardships, things are slowly coming together. A far cry from washing dishes and sleeping on the floor…
Steve has made a lifetime commitment to his drumming. His past performances range from the smallest club circuit tours to a headlining show in front of 22,000 people. He has performed in hard core punk clubs as well as casinos in Las Vegas. In addition, he has been on the same bill with a wide variety of performers – from Yngwie Malmsteen and Motley Crue to Toby Keith and George Jones. He has also won numerous drumming awards, held clinics, written articles, and given private instruction. His most recent creation is a clothing line entitled “Mad Drummer Inc.” For more info on MDI, please visit the official website at www.maddrummerinc.com.
He truly is genius, in my opinion, at least when it comes to drums.
Gary
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Bob,
I think you need to find out a little bit more about both the drummer and the band. Rick K and the Allnighters are a Vegas Style band, and what they do is for a particular reason, it is designed to be that way. As to Mr. Moore, he plays multiple instruments, including guitar and banjo, as well as piano and trumpet. So, he just doesn't 'beat on shit.'
Scott, I'm not sure that the band is all about showcasing Steve Moore, since Rick K. is also a drummer, but I wouldn't say that they don't go out of their way to get him 'up front and in your face' either.
Gary
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Gary,
I truly must be a sick man because I wouldn't let Steve Moore into a band unless he agreed to "lay back" and simply play drums.
He is a gifted performer and should be allowed to solo on a few songs, but he would be a severe distraction for any band that wanted to simply play music of any type.
I know he's from WV, (as I am), but it still boils down to the roll of the drummer. It's not to lead the band, nor is it to distract from the singers or instrumentalists. It's to keep the beat.......and enhance the song. Not to try to steal the show.
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Bob,
I guess we will just have to disagree forever on this one. And it also must mean that I have no musical talent, because I would love to be able to play the drums. About as far as I have gotten so far, after having a nice PDP fusion kit here at home, is page 2 of the rudiments.
As soon as I add anything like a paradiddle into the mix, game over.
I still think you are missing the point. These guys are about putting on a visual gag show; this point is made clearly, clearly, infinitely clearly after watching the 'Wipeout' video.
The extra 4th man and the drummer are the visual show, the bass player and the guitar player are there for support.
The drummer isn't stealing the show - he is the show - plain and simple.
This band doesn't exist to play music. If that were true, they would ditch the lamé jackets, or leave the band for a 'proper' band. It exists for spectacle, on a low budget.
BTW - In the garden of Eden, FWIW.
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On the flip side of the coin I have played with some wonderful drummers . . . I remember one occassion when as a very young guitar player we were playing Blue Skies and the drummer whispers over to me that he had the bridge, and he was right on as he got enough 'melody' out of his instrument that everyone listening knew exactly what he was playing. Just saying you can't paint all drummers with the same brush or blastix.
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Scott,
I can’t play drums either. But then I’ve never wanted to play drums. I only tried once because the drums were there and I was curious. I guess I used a little hyperbole, or exaggeration for the sake of emphasis when talking about my biggest musical pet peeve, and that’s drummers who play too loud and too much.
It’s kind of like the instrumentalist who throws every note he can into every solo he plays, even when it’s a simple song that shouldn’t be overplayed.
I know there are tons of really good drummers out there who know how to make the song sound good and know when to lay back. There are also tons of drummers who think the band exists to back them up and think their volume level should exceed the level of all the other instruments combined.
You’re probably right about the “Animal” drummer being the focus of the band. When I first watched the video, I saw an extremely talented drummer who was being extremely obnoxious. But if he IS the show, then he put on a very good show indeed. If you watch the video from that standpoint, it does change the way it’s perceived.
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"Every time I've ever met anyone in a creative field who was flamboyant and absolutely sure
of himself, I've always discovered there really wasn't any valid talent in his existence."
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I was in Akron OH for a year one week and the local band turned out to play for us when they got a call. The percussionist was in an accident. They were a 5 piece band with a 3 drum big stand-up bongo thing, some other assorted stuff, sticks you drag on gourds etc. Someone from my hometown let's the cat outta the bag, "Conley plays almost anything" so there I am in a Hawaiian shirt, my white painter pants, sandals, shades and they fix me with a sombrero and I'm the guy. I laid back for a few songs, asked for some Parrot head stuff, got into it, and at the first break the head guy comes over and tells me 'jeez you really have a lot of experience". I go, um ..
"Bass drum..Marching Band"
"Triple drum..Marching Band"
I burned the 'Bells or xylophone" it was always outta tune.
"Baritone..Marching Band"
"Piano 25 years"
but I'm new to this ..na..
Later when the free booze flowed I got better, really , no really, I INSIST. I did...much....
The next day I woke up and that Shirt was gone and it says "We love you Cheryl and Jane" in magic marker on my chest. At least it wasn't a tattoo.
They always fished me into the marching drum line when someone was missing. Cause I acted up with the kids on parade and it's hard to do that with a baritone bell in your face....
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Lee,
Do you think Stan Kenton would have put Mr. Moore into that category?
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of himself, I've always discovered there really wasn't any valid talent in his existence."
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Flamboyant Drummer who plays guitar on the side!
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Wow, quoting the Mellowphoneium Stan himself. My Grandmother had tickets a railway ticket and program from Port Stanley, which used to be a 40 minute electric railway line to Lake Erie from our house, when Kenton played at the Stork Club there. Pretty famous place that, we still go 10 times a year but drive and the club burned down, and Dad lost the 'memorabilia'. From what I've read over the years his remarks on flamboyance are kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
And the black aversion was well addressed, no need to diverge into that yellow wood.
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Wow, quoting the Mellowphoneium Stan himself. My Grandmother had tickets a railway ticket and program from Port Stanley, which used to be a 40 minute electric railway line to Lake Erie from our house, when Kenton played at the Stork Club there. Pretty famous place that, we still go 10 times a year but drive and the club burned down, and Dad lost the 'memorabilia'. From what I've read over the years his remarks on flamboyance are kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
Haha, but valid nevertheless. An empty can makes the most noise.
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My turn to weigh in. I have been fortunate enough to play with drummers who were the good, the bad, and the ugly. Remember those gigs when the only drumming background you would get was "Wipeout" even to a polka!. For the most part I have seen, heard, and played with some very talented drummers. Somewhere there are a few clips of Tommy E. playing drums backing other guitar players at a guitar festival. Also check out Don Thompson (Toronto), the guy is a very accomplished vibist, keyboard, bass, and drummer. Our own drummer in our swing band read and played: drums, xylaphone, marimba, and other percussion instruments. Every March our band took a hiatus because most of us played an the orchestra for light opera productions such as Oklahoma!, Anything Goes, Chicago, etc. Brent played floor kit, timpanis, triangle, bells, etc. all to an orchestra score. I played guitar and banjo. I suppose it all boils down to either you like it or you don't like it, you enjoy it or you don't enjoy it. I remember the schictk that Homer and Jethro played, but if you ever get a chance to listen to anything off their "Playing Straight" album it will knock your socks off. Thanks DennisD
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Wow, quoting the Mellowphoneium Stan himself. My Grandmother had tickets a railway ticket and program from Port Stanley, which used to be a 40 minute electric railway line to Lake Erie from our house, when Kenton played at the Stork Club there. Pretty famous place that, we still go 10 times a year but drive and the club burned down, and Dad lost the 'memorabilia'. From what I've read over the years his remarks on flamboyance are kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
Haha, but valid nevertheless. An empty can makes the most noise.
Just to be clear, folks, I was not referring to the drummer.
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As far as drummers go,here at least you can go to University, after 4 years of advanced high school, and take a 4 year BMus in percussion, other instruments required. A far cry from some guy with a 4 piece kit in Dad's garage.
As you start to research who did what in the musical world you have to be amazed at the people who actually had a real, vast, and varied background in Music Education, an aspect which is dying and very lacking in today's school systems.
Why some of us love stuff like Mr. Holland's Opus to name but one of the inspirational music based movies. We'd all be richer if we pushed for more music ed, but it's an uphill battle of huge proportions. Well worth it.
When's the last time you took some used gear to your kids school, or offered a glimpse into midi or making a backing track using software? Lots of mileage (or kms) available there too..) (dangle participle wait for resolution).
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Just goes to show ya what happens when all you drummers is that dull, boring, ZZTop straight FOUR beat with nothing else to do!!! No Offense to the ZZ fans out there. 
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bobcflatpicker, you need to play with some real musicians.....
I've played with quite a few through the years.
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And notice the Grin & Wink before ya go off again!
The only time I noticed a grin and wink on here was when I used it. Although many of us were speaking in a light hearted manner.
I'll "go off" whenever I feel like it. Especially since this equates, (in your opinion), to stating what I think.
You need to read through the thread before you comment on it.
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