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I am wondering if anyone has any experience/success with using a product like this http://www.sonuus.com/products_g2m.html to convert their guitar playing to MIDI? Or, is there another device that is better for this? I am looking for a way to get my fingerpicking style saved as MIDI patterns that I can then reuse with sample libraries. Thanks in advance for any ideas or thoughts on this. If I cannot do this easily in MIDI my next step will be to try and create a UserTrack for this purpose! 
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Try MidiGuitar from http://jamorigin.com. Or see if you can find a Yamaha EZAG or EZEG on ebay. Bear in mind that your success will depend on your playing technique regardless of how good the converter is. They tend to pick up everything.
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John^3.... have you experimented with the audio to MIDI feature in RealBand? Or the audio to MIDI feature in Melodyne? One nice thing about audio to MIDI is that you start with clean notes, and you don't tend to get artifacts. If the translation to MIDI isn't perfect, you can usually edit the occasional MIDI note easily. An actual device that you might consider is the YOU ROCK GUITAR Its fairly inexpensive, and is surprisingly robust and free of the usual problems that plague just about every MIDI guitar technology. HERE'S ONE ON EBAY But.. I gotta admit.. the G2M you posted looks very cool! The application of using it with a slide guitar positions you to replicate the sounds of more fluid-sounding instruments, as in the example. Keep us posted about whatever you decide to do! I'm very interested in hearing which route you take and what results you get! No matter which way you go, I'm predicting you are about to embark on a journey of fun!
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John(cubed) - the sonuus guitar to MIDI is a monophonic converter, that is it will only do one note at a time. Thus you can not use chords with it. The jamorigin is polyphonic so you will be able to do chords with it. The problem you will have using a guitar to MIDI converter is latency. It takes time for the converter to find what note(s) the guitar is playing. This is also true with MIDI guitar controllers although the latest ones are better but not yet perfect. Plan on doing a lot of editing arranging the notes to their proper timing. I have discovered the best audio to MIDI converter is Melodyne Editor: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=838226&Q=&is=REG&A=detailsYou would record your guitar to a wav then have Melodyne editor convert it to a MIDI file. Melodyne will work as a VST so you may not have to leave your DAW. I use this method exactly like you want. BobH or myself will finger pick a chord progression and Melodyne converts it to a MIDI track, but you also retain your wav file. Thus you can have you guitar track and converted track playing at the same time if you so desire. I will admit Melodyne Editor is on the expensive side at $350 USD BUT it does work. If you would like send me a PM and I will give you my email. You could send me a MP3 file of you guitar playing and I will convert it to a MIDI file for you, I will not do any editing to the MIDI file so you can hear exactly how it works. I hope this helps. [edit] - I forgot to mention the Melodyne also works on strummed chords and that I rarely have to edit the MIDI track.
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John(cubed) - the sonuus guitar to MIDI is a monophonic converter, that is it will only do one note at a time. Thus you can not use chords with it. The jamorigin is polyphonic so you will be able to do chords with it. The problem you will have using a guitar to MIDI converter is latency. It takes time for the converter to find what note(s) the guitar is playing. This is also true with MIDI guitar controllers although the latest ones are better but not yet perfect. Plan on doing a lot of editing arranging the notes to their proper timing. I have discovered the best audio to MIDI converter is Melodyne Editor: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=838226&Q=&is=REG&A=detailsYou would record your guitar to a wav then have Melodyne editor convert it to a MIDI file. Melodyne will work as a VST so you may not have to leave your DAW. I use this method exactly like you want. BobH or myself will finger pick a chord progression and Melodyne converts it to a MIDI track, but you also retain your wav file. Thus you can have you guitar track and converted track playing at the same time if you so desire. I will admit Melodyne Editor is on the expensive side at $350 USD BUT it does work. If you would like send me a PM and I will give you my email. You could send me a MP3 file of you guitar playing and I will convert it to a MIDI file for you, I will not do any editing to the MIDI file so you can hear exactly how it works. I hope this helps. [edit] - I forgot to mention the Melodyne also works on strummed chords and that I rarely have to edit the MIDI track. Hey Mario - I saw a band last week and the lead player hit a pedal that changed his guitar sound to a piano, single notes and chords - it was very cool. Any idea what he might have used? Regards, Bob
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if it was a pedal, it may have been one the Roland guitar synths. The current version is the GR-55
You can get guitar synths all day long on eBay for pretty good prices (compared to new.. Roland is really proud of their products, if you know what I mean)
I recently bought a GR-55, and it is one of the best gear acquisitions I've ever made. Above and beyond the synth capability is the guitar and effects modelling. It is amazing what they can do to reproduce the sounds of just about any guitar, amp or effects pedal ever made.
For example, if you want the sound of a strat played through a vox amp with gain at 50% and volume on 3, select those attributes, and that's what it will sound like!
Or if you want the sound of a rickenbacker 12 string played through the clean channel of a fender twin, they modelled that too.
The acoustic guitar models are also good.. you can make your electric sound just like a steel string acoustic.. or a nylon string guitar.. you can even create custom instruments by swapping pickup models (single coil, humbucker, lipstick, p-90 whatever)
And you can even program special tunings without having to touch your machine heads at all. They're pricey, but all things considered... Best bang for the buck I've ever seen.
If you go to youtube and search for GR-55 you'll get enough hits to watch for days without seeing the same thing twice.
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I can't say for sure but it was probably this Roland GR-20: http://www.roland.com/products/en/GR-20/
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Wow ($$$$$)! I think I'll just stick with my guitar. 
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Yes there is a lot of money up front to get into guitar synths....I recommend a used Roland GR-20 on FleaBay. Keep looking till you find one close to $200.
I have used their GK-3 pickups extensively, which I think are ugly, but they do work pretty well and also allow you to separate your straight guitar sounds to your pedalboard, all the sounds and effects you would normally use, and keep the synth access separate. 99% of the time you will not want or need effects on top of the synth sounds.
The synth-ready guitars by Godin and Carvin are really nice because you don't see all the extra hardware. But, I don't think there is a way to route your normal signal to your effects. But that may be the case only with the nylon string classical synth ready guitar, if you get the electric maybe you can.
Guitar Synths like the GR-20 are also a cheap way to get into the external module world. There are tons of used ones out there, unlike standalone synth modules. People who buy those tend to keep them forever, whereas a lot of people try the guitar synth and then go "Meh. I want a Keeley Modded Compressor pedal instead".
I saw Al DiMeola in concert recently and he had one of those monophonic converters on the whole time, with a volume pedal to just bring it in on little runs when he wanted to. As you may know he is exceedingly fast on guitar and whatever he was using it kept right up.
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Yes there is a lot of money up front to get into guitar synths....I recommend a used Roland GR-20 on FleaBay. Keep looking till you find one close to $200. I look at it as though for $700 I bought an American Strat, an American Telecaster, a Rickenbacker, a Gibson Les Paul, an electric 12 string, an acoustic 12 string, an acoustic 6 string, a fretless bass, a bevy of other basses, a Sitar, several other makes of guitars that I can't remember, 40 different amplifiers (all major brands with signature sounds), a flanger, a chorus, a reverb pedal, a compressor, an EQ, an echo plex, a looper, a synthesizer with EXCELLENT SOUNDS, thousands of top quality Roland tones and hundreds of patches and more that I just can't recall. Pretty good haul for about the price of a Mexican Strat. I have used their GK-3 pickups extensively, which I think are ugly, but they do work pretty well and also allow you to separate your straight guitar sounds to your pedalboard, all the sounds and effects you would normally use, and keep the synth access separate. 99% of the time you will not want or need effects on top of the synth sounds. Something changed on the GR-55... they left a sonic filter out that used to be included in previous versions... so guitars with built in hexaphonic pickups don't perform as well on the GR-55 as they did on previous guitar synths. But the GK-3 works fine. I have a Godin LGXT, but since buying the GR-55, I put a GK-3 on the Godin! The synth-ready guitars by Godin and Carvin are really nice because you don't see all the extra hardware. But, I don't think there is a way to route your normal signal to your effects. But that may be the case only with the nylon string classical synth ready guitar, if you get the electric maybe you can. The Godin guitars do provide a way to keep the guitar signal separate from the synth (OR combined, or both) Guitar Synths like the GR-20 are also a cheap way to get into the external module world. There are tons of used ones out there, unlike standalone synth modules. People who buy those tend to keep them forever, whereas a lot of people try the guitar synth and then go "Meh. I want a Keeley Modded Compressor pedal instead". LOL! That's totally true! I saw Al DiMeola in concert recently and he had one of those monophonic converters on the whole time, with a volume pedal to just bring it in on little runs when he wanted to. As you may know he is exceedingly fast on guitar and whatever he was using it kept right up. I'd love to know what he was using. The COSM stuff is FAST! NO latency! But even on pro MIDI gear, there is still latency when triggering synth tones or patches. .
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Try MidiGuitar from http://jamorigin.com. Or see if you can find a Yamaha EZAG or EZEG on ebay. Bear in mind that your success will depend on your playing technique regardless of how good the converter is. They tend to pick up everything. Thanks sinbad! I have downloaded their demo and will give it a try!
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John^3.... have you experimented with the audio to MIDI feature in RealBand? Or the audio to MIDI feature in Melodyne? One nice thing about audio to MIDI is that you start with clean notes, and you don't tend to get artifacts. If the translation to MIDI isn't perfect, you can usually edit the occasional MIDI note easily. An actual device that you might consider is the YOU ROCK GUITAR Its fairly inexpensive, and is surprisingly robust and free of the usual problems that plague just about every MIDI guitar technology. HERE'S ONE ON EBAY But.. I gotta admit.. the G2M you posted looks very cool! The application of using it with a slide guitar positions you to replicate the sounds of more fluid-sounding instruments, as in the example. Keep us posted about whatever you decide to do! I'm very interested in hearing which route you take and what results you get! No matter which way you go, I'm predicting you are about to embark on a journey of fun! Thank you Pat! I will definitely try the audio to MIDI feature in RealBand! Maybe I already have what I need!?! Have you used this feature? Does it work pretty well? You mentioned Melodyne...I wonder if the pitch module in my Nectar plugin would work for this? That is something else I guess I should try. That MIDI guitar looks cool too but I'd prefer not to get another instrument right now since I already have a guitar/banjo/fiddle infestation in my house!
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John(cubed) - the sonuus guitar to MIDI is a monophonic converter, that is it will only do one note at a time. Thus you can not use chords with it. The jamorigin is polyphonic so you will be able to do chords with it. The problem you will have using a guitar to MIDI converter is latency. It takes time for the converter to find what note(s) the guitar is playing. This is also true with MIDI guitar controllers although the latest ones are better but not yet perfect. Plan on doing a lot of editing arranging the notes to their proper timing. I have discovered the best audio to MIDI converter is Melodyne Editor: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=838226&Q=&is=REG&A=detailsYou would record your guitar to a wav then have Melodyne editor convert it to a MIDI file. Melodyne will work as a VST so you may not have to leave your DAW. I use this method exactly like you want. BobH or myself will finger pick a chord progression and Melodyne converts it to a MIDI track, but you also retain your wav file. Thus you can have you guitar track and converted track playing at the same time if you so desire. I will admit Melodyne Editor is on the expensive side at $350 USD BUT it does work. If you would like send me a PM and I will give you my email. You could send me a MP3 file of you guitar playing and I will convert it to a MIDI file for you, I will not do any editing to the MIDI file so you can hear exactly how it works. I hope this helps. [edit] - I forgot to mention the Melodyne also works on strummed chords and that I rarely have to edit the MIDI track. Thanks Mario! I do like the idea of recording the track and then working with the WAV file.
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I look at it as though for $700 I bought an American Strat, an American Telecaster, a Rickenbacker, a Gibson Les Paul, an electric 12 string, an acoustic 12 string, an acoustic 6 string, a fretless bass, a bevy of other basses, a Sitar, several other makes of guitars that I can't remember, 40 different amplifiers (all major brands with signature sounds), a flanger, a chorus, a reverb pedal, a compressor, an EQ, an echo plex, a looper, a synthesizer with EXCELLENT SOUNDS, thousands of top quality Roland tones and hundreds of patches and more that I just can't recall. Pretty good haul for about the price of a Mexican Strat. WOW! That was quite a haul!
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That reminds me of when the Variax came out....I was sitting in a store just playing with all the sounds for quite some time till my wife came back to get me. When I got up to leave practically everybody in the whole store said something to me on the way out, including the owner! I guess people were really into all the different sounds, as I was. I jokingly asked for a discount? Wayyyy out of my price range at the time.
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I have used their GK-3 pickups extensively, which I think are ugly, but they do work pretty well and also allow you to separate your straight guitar sounds to your pedalboard, all the sounds and effects you would normally use, and keep the synth access separate. 99% of the time you will not want or need effects on top of the synth sounds. Something changed on the GR-55... they left a sonic filter out that used to be included in previous versions... so guitars with built in hexaphonic pickups don't perform as well on the GR-55 as they did on previous guitar synths. But the GK-3 works fine. I have a Godin LGXT, but since buying the GR-55, I put a GK-3 on the Godin! Ahhhhh, the battle rages on. Nothing against Roland, they are a class act all the way. I'm SURE whatever they changed makes the newer product track better! Good to know though, I've been eying the GR-55 for a quite some time.The synth-ready guitars by Godin and Carvin are really nice because you don't see all the extra hardware. But, I don't think there is a way to route your normal signal to your effects. But that may be the case only with the nylon string classical synth ready guitar, if you get the electric maybe you can. The Godin guitars do provide a way to keep the guitar signal separate from the synth (OR combined, or both) Maybe I should try plugging in to the quarter inch jack? LolI saw Al DiMeola in concert recently and he had one of those monophonic converters on the whole time, with a volume pedal to just bring it in on little runs when he wanted to. As you may know he is exceedingly fast on guitar and whatever he was using it kept right up. I'd love to know what he was using. The COSM stuff is FAST! NO latency! But even on pro MIDI gear, there is still latency when triggering synth tones or patches. . [/quote] I have no idea what he was using but I'm sure whatever it was, it was top of the line. There's probably an endorsement deal in the works somewhere
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You mentioned Melodyne...I wonder if the pitch module in my Nectar plugin would work for this? That is something else I guess I should try. I guess it would constitute due diligence to look at that... but Melodyne has several different features... and the pitch correction feature is separate from the audio to midi feature. Whether Nectar includes that too would be something to look at. Regarding whether or not I have used the audio to MIDI converter in RB: I've experimented with it, but never used it in a project. I'm not sure if it's polyphonic.. it might just be able to convert single notes at a time. Depending on which version of Melodyne you get, some are able to convert chords to midi, some aren't
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