Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
#289354 03/25/15 12:30 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
B
Newbie
OP Offline
Newbie
B
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
Maybe somebody can help by telling me how to let a cymbal ring with the final chord. By entering the three periods "..." i get all the other instruments to sound for the whole measure except for the drums.The have an abrupt ending.
Thanks!

Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
S
Expert
Offline
Expert
S
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Can you open the Bar settings for the Bar where you put the Hold X... and change to another RealDrum or Substyle in the current Drums ?

Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
B
Newbie
OP Offline
Newbie
B
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
Yes. And then, what do I have to change?
In the Chord settings Hold is set for all instruments.


BiaB 2014 for Mac
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
S
Expert
Offline
Expert
S
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Click on the "R.Drums" button in the Bar setting window and select the RealDrums or Variation on the bottom right of the RealDrums Picker window you want to change to.

Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
B
Newbie
OP Offline
Newbie
B
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
I did what you said, auditioned a Real Tracks Variation, the final chord sounds like I want it, but when I listen to it in my tune it's still a very short cymbal hit. Do I have to change my Gmaj7... to something else?


BiaB 2014 for Mac
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
S
Expert
Offline
Expert
S
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
So do you make it up first in BIAB then put it in your DAW or do you just use it straight from BIAB ?
If you export the tracks to your DAW you can just edit it in that, open the RealDrum m4a/aiff file from the Drums folder and you will find some hits (shots n holds) at the end of the file then you can copy and paste.
Try and put a blue or green part marker on that bar.

Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
B
Newbie
OP Offline
Newbie
B
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
I try to do everything in BiaB.
I listened to the mp4 as you mentioned and found what I was looking for. But when I choose this R.drum style for the last bar (even with style a or b) all I get is a snare or kick drum hit on 1. No cymbal. Weird!

I just noticed that I had a "2 bar ending" checked, but even with that unchecked no change.

Last edited by biabtommy; 03/25/15 10:10 PM.

BiaB 2014 for Mac
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
S
Expert
Offline
Expert
S
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,827
Did you try re-generating so it chooses another hold ?

Unless someone comes on with an easy way.
If you want to force it to play a particular Shot/Hold:
In the Drum's folder it will have a txt file for each style, down the bottom of it there will be a list of Shots/Holds (all called Shot) with the Bar numbers and other variables"

If the type of Shot is not detailed as below in the txt file you would have to load the m4a into GarageBand or another DAW to see what number bar the Shot/Hold is at, the m4a has a 2 bar count-in -1 to 0.


Quote:
Shot{ Kick (applicable for Brushes & Sticks) },1,648,474,498,1,90
;Shot{ Kick (applicable for Brushes & Sticks) },0,648,474,498,1,90
Shot{ Snare with Sticks },1,650,13,598,1,90
;Shot{ Snare with Sticks },0,650,13,598,1,90
Shot{ HiHat with Sticks },1,651,131,298,1,90
;Shot{ HiHat with Sticks },0,651,131,298,1,90
;Shot{ Crash 1 with Sticks },1,651,431,1396,1,90
Shot{ Crash 1 with Sticks },0,651,431,1396,1,90
;Shot{ Crash 2 with Sticks },1,654,388,1895,1,90
Shot{ Crash 2 with Sticks },0,654,388,1895,1,90
Shot{ Crash 2 with Sticks, choked },1,658,363,498,1,90
;Shot{ Crash 2 with Sticks, choked },0,658,363,498,1,90
;Shot{ Crash 3 with Sticks },1,659,382,2094,1,90
Shot{ Crash 3 with Sticks },0,659,382,2094,1,90
;Shot{ Crash 4 with Sticks },1,664,77,1396,1,90
Shot{ Crash 4 with Sticks },0,664,77,1396,1,90
Shot{ Tom 1 with Sticks },1,667,34,598,1,90
;Shot{ Tom 1 with Sticks },0,667,34,598,1,90
Shot{ Tom 2 with Sticks },1,668,153,897,1,90
;Shot{ Tom 2 with Sticks },0,668,153,897,1,90
Shot{ Floor Tom 1 with Sticks },1,670,91,797,1,90
Shot{ Floor Tom 1 with Sticks },0,670,91,797,1,90
Shot{ Floor Tom 2 with Sticks },1,671,409,598,1,90
Shot{ Floor Tom 2 with Sticks },0,671,409,598,1,90
Shot{ Cross Stick 1 },1,673,48,199,1,90
;Shot{ Cross Stick 1 },0,673,48,199,1,90
Shot{ Cross Stick 2 },1,673,247,199,1,90
;Shot{ Cross Stick 2 },0,673,247,199,1,90


The six elements that come after the text "shot" are explained below in further detail.
Look at element 5.Weight this number should be between 1 and 8 you can change the Shot's Weight to 8 then save it, it should eliminate any between 1-7 from being played at all:

from here How to make RealDrums Styles
Quote:
Shots Definition

In Band-in-a-Box, shots and holds are entered by putting either 2 or 3 periods after a chord (2 periods for a shot, 3 for a hold). With RealDrums, when a shot or hold is entered, the drums stop for the duration of the chord, and a single drum hit is played in place of the drum beat. Pushes are entered by typing either 1 or 2 caret symbols ("^") before the chord in question (1 caret for an 8th-note push, and 2 carets for a 16th-note push). With RealDrums, when a push is entered, the regular drum beat continues throughout, but a single drum hit is added to the mix to emphasize the push.

RealDrums Style Example 9

The single drum hits are generally recorded at the end of the wave file, after the main drum groove, but they do not have to be.

Like patterns, shots are also defined in the text file using lines of text containing several elements: 1) the text "shot", 2) type of shot (0 for shot or hold, 1 for pushes), 3) the bar number of the shot in the style wave file, 4) the number of ticks (1 beat = 120 ticks) before or after the bar number the shot occurs, 5) the duration of the shot in ticks, 6) weight, 7) volume of the shot

Here are some examples of defined shots:

Shot,1,82,-2,455,1,100
Shot,0,83,5,360,1,90
Shot,1,171,240,200,1,80

The six elements that come after the text "shot" are explained here in further detail:

1. Type of shot
The type of shot needs to be either 0 or 1. If 0 is entered, the shot will be used when chords are entered with two periods (shot) or three periods (hold). If 1 is entered, the shot will be used when chords are entered with two or three carets before them (8th & 16th note pushes).

2. Bar number in style wave file
Like with patterns, you need to remember that RealDrums styles use -1 based numbering, so you need to subtract 2 from the bar number as you see it in your audio editor. More than one shot can be played in a single bar, and you would use the tick adjust amount to distinguish between the two.

3. Tick Adjust
The shots do not necessarily have to occur at the bar lines, and the tick adjust can be used to tell Band-in-a-Box exactly where the shot starts. Simply measure the number of ticks from the downbeat of the bar number entered to the start of the shot, and that is the number that should be entered here. If the shot starts before the bar number that was entered, a negative number should be entered here.

For example, if a shot is recorded at bar 82, but on closer examination it appears that

Shot,1,82,-2,455,1,100

In another example (see example 10 below), a shot is played at the third beat of bar 171. In this case you need to use the tick adjust to indicate that it a full two beats after bar 171. Since one beat is 120 ticks, two beats would be 240 ticks, and it would therefore be entered as such:

Shot,1,171,240,200,1,80

RealDrums Style Example 10

Example 10: Here the shot begins at bar 171 (173-2), at the third beat, or 240 ticks into the bar.

4. Duration
Unlike patterns, which use numbers of bars for durations, the shots use ticks for durations. So, for example, if a shot lasts for three beats, you would enter 360 (3 beats * 120 ticks per beat).

Here is an example of a shot that lasts for three beats:

Shot,0,83,5,360,1,90

For the best effect, the sound of the shots should decay naturally, and the entire length of the shot including the decay should be entered in the text file. This is especially important when all other instruments are silent, and all you hear is the decaying sound of the drum hit.

5. Weight
The weight for shots works exactly the same as the weight for patterns, except that there is no need for the use of 0 or 9 weights. This number should be between 1 and 8, with higher numbers representing a greater chance that the shot will be selected each time.

6. Volume
The volume of the shots is represented by a number between 1 and 127. If 90 is entered, the volume will not be adjusted at all. If a number between 1 and 89 is entered, the volume will be lowered accordingly, and if a number between 91 and 127 is entered, the volume will be raised accordingly. It is generally easiest to test the volume amounts once the style has been completed.



If that works you can freeze it then re-edit it back to original in the txt unless you always want that for a Hold.

Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,786
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,786
I'd say the addition of any sort of "trills" or "rolls" of the drums during holds is certainly worthy of its own Wishlist thread. It would easily get my +1 cool


Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BBox 2022 Audiophile, Mac Pro Intel, OSX 10.6.8, 800x600 (TV VGA)
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
B
Newbie
OP Offline
Newbie
B
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 6
Either this is really complicated or I am too stupid to handle that.
Basically I understand what you are trying to tell me, but no matter what I try to change in the last bar I don't get any sound change at all.
I tried to choose a sound with many different shots/holds, regenerated, tried different styles, always the same. And this happens on all my songs. BTW I use BiaB 2014 for Mac.


BiaB 2014 for Mac
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins

Join the conversation on our forum.

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.

Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Mac Videos — we’ll be adding more videos as they’re released!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!

Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.

Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.

Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano

Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!

Bonjour à tous,

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music

Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:

BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation

Voilà, enjoy!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!

Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:

https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025.exe
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025RB.exe

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!

Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Stay up to date—get the latest update now!

Forum Statistics
Forums58
Topics84,312
Posts777,601
Members39,615
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
JerryL, kottke, kaleu, Claudio Paolini, bjornen71
39,615 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 139
zedd 119
DC Ron 103
rsdean 92
WaoBand 90
nonchai 85
Today's Birthdays
oublaj
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5