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I use a Shure C606 Cant go wrong with a Shure.
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There are too many angles to give any advice based on the little info you gave us. I see for example allready you chose two mics that use minijacks and one that uses USB input. I see two electrets and one condenser. I see a cardioid, a stereo and a mid/side polar pattern. These are completely different mics, with very different specifications. Actually, I would not go for any of those three.
So what I would like to know, and probably others too is e.g.:
What is the soundcard you are/will be using?
What is the budget you would maximal want to spend?
Is it only for vocals, or do you want to be able to record for instance accoustic guitar as well?
Would you like robust quality, or are you so careful a very vulnerable mic would also be ok?
A warm sound, a crisp sound
Condenser, electret, dynamic?
Omni, cardioid, fig.eight?
If I had to answer the question the way you put it, I would say:
Either condenser or dynamic, with a cardioid pattern.
If you would like to have a sensitive menbrane picking up the softest sounds and "flat response": condenser
If you want to have a mic that is easy and strong: dynamic.
I would want to give you the simple advice by saying you need to try out some to know how they sound with your voice and if you like the result of them.
Some brands that also have cheaper mics which might be very well within your wishes of results and price (?) (50-200 euro):
AKG, Shure, T-bone, Sennheiser, Studio Projects...a.s.o.
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A shure sm-58 is a rugged, roadworthy all around mic. Just under $100.00. A sm-57 could work well for mic'ing an instrument, like acoustic guitar. Affordable, and used by many bands.
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blueskygal heres a tip if you have little money. plug a dynamic mic eg shure or ev ...via an adapter into a cassette dek mic preamp. take line out of dek into your pc sound device line input. some mic pre;s in cassette deks are quite nice n warm if you find the right one. some i have here hold their own rather well viz higher priced mic pre's. the beauty of it is cass deks are often free or a few dollars. what are you useing as your sound device. ?? i would suggest you dont use on board sound in your pc. its doable, but many people often get problems. if you had a higher budget i would suggest something like this...at 49 buks.. http://recordinghacks.com/reviews/tapeop/mca-sp1/matched with this preamp. http://www.studioprojects.com/vtb1.htmlin the past little while ive heard the vtb1 on some very good singers n it held its own with highedr priced competion nicely. i think its about 140 buks. god bless.
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I am not that technically oriented and don't want to be. I need something simple to use that sounds good. I want to be able to plug the mic into my computer and use it to make recordings with band in the box and my karaoke mp3's as my "band." I think perhaps I need to go to some of the music stores where I live and check out the different types of mike. I don't know one from the other!
Thanks for your input.
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Bluesky, The biggest issue is going to be the sound card, not the mic. An inexpensive Audio Technica ATR-30 will sound much better going into a good mic preamp, than the best mic going through the cheap sound card built into the computer. You might consider something like this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Podcastudio-USB?sku=631003While it may be set up for Podcasting, you can not install the software (or you can) and still use the higher quality audio interface to get into the computer. You may want to upgrade the mic later on, but it's better to spend the money on the interface now, and have that, versus spending $100 on just the mic, only to find out it sounds like crap with the mic pre that's on your sound chip. Now, having said all of that, I'll give you a little more background. There are, essentially, two types of mics, Dynamic and Condensor. Dynamics are good all around useful mics, and are used in a variety of applications. As stated earlier, Shure makes some very nice ones. Dynamic mics don't need any extra power. Condensor mics need a power supply, called Phantom Power or Phantom Voltage. It's 48vdc. If you get a Condensor mic and do not have a source to provide that voltage, the mic will not work. All microphones put out a VERY low voltage, and along the way, need some sort of amplification. That is where the Mic Preamp comes into play. A mic pre is a device that boosts the voltage of the mic to an acceptable level that the electronics can be used. If your computer sound card has a Mic Input, you have a mic preamp. If you have a Line input, you can not plug a mic into that and have it work. Most PCs today color code their sound jacks, the green is out, the blue is line in and the pink is mic in. USB mics have an internal Preamp in them. As I've stated earlier, a good quality mic pre will do more for an inexpensive mic than using a good mic through a poor mic pre. Since most 'sound cards' in computers today are nothing more than an onboard microchip, you should not expect stellar performance out of them, no matter what mic you put in there. You might also consider this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/MAudio-Podcast-Factory?sku=241711The microphones you listed are not anything that I would use. The Behringer would be about the closest, but I don't like USB mics. If you can afford to double your price, you might like this, also, but will need to purchase a mic boom to go with it. http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tascam-US144-Interface-MXL-990991-Mic-Bundle?sku=241724This would be another good choice: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/pro...ones?sku=247009I've given you several options based on your requirements. There are other ways around this, also. You can purchase a small mixer that has mic pres in it, the Behringers are good, and then run the output of the mixer to the Line In of your computer sound card, but you still run into a similar issue in that the quality of the sound chip isn't all that great. For your needs, I think USB mic pre or the USB interface and the small mixer I showed you earlier, is the way to go. Good luck to you, Gary
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Bluesky,
The biggest issue is going to be the sound card, not the mic. An inexpensive Audio Technica ATR-30 will sound much better going into a good mic preamp, than the best mic going through the cheap sound card built into the computer.
Errr, well here I very much have to disagree. All elements are of importance, the results of quality depends on the quality of the weakest device in the line, so a cheap crappy mic will still sound bad and no amp is going to mask that. So the most important thing is to make a good balance of ALL elements in the recording chain. When you don't have a huge budget to build your system, then find the best available quality within that budget for EACH element. There are plenty of soundcards for a low price, just as well there are mics for a low price, while still serving a pretty good result. For a soundcard that offers some quality, the minimal price might be around 100 euro, the same might be going for a mic. Yes there are soundcards for 50 euro's as well, and so this goes for mics. However, the lower the price, certainly influences the quality in both cases.
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blueskygal
re "not wishing to be technically oriented".
time for some total honesty on my part,
and i hope you take it in the sincere way its meant..
ie..trying to help you.
the simple fact is on board sound chips like the sound card built into your pc
were designed for just basic playback of windows sounds.
thus as other posters have mentioned, you preferably need
a proper sound device. some are quite inexpensive.
the other aspect to be totally honest is in the past musicians
went to studios, did their songs, and the audio engineers "did the tekkie stuff".
BUT..today us songwriters have to wear many hats running our own small studios to do songs.
one of the hats is to be a little "tekkie" so that one can get the best results out of ones gear.
as well as makeing the correct gear purchaseing decisions.
it just comes with the territory.
god bless.
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my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
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blueskygal,
To much testosterone driven conversation here about all the technical aspects.
My suggestion:
1. Get the Band in a Box/ Real Band packedge. Preferably at least the Mega pak or what ever you can afford.
2. Use it to get comfortable.
3. Bring your stuff to a music store and find a tech person you are comfortable with.
4. Demo different mics
5. Buy the one you like- it only needs to be as good as your voice.
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ABAudio,
I do not disagree with you, okay? However, Bluesky has set a limit of about $100, which isn't going to get her much of anything, and if her intent is to use the mic pre on the computer, which it appears to be, I don't think anything that she's going to buy is going to sound any good for her, because of the mic pre in the computer.
Yeah, if you buy a $9US stick mic and put it into an Art Tube Pre Amp, it'll probably still sound like crap, but an relatively inexpensive mic and a relatively inexpensive mic pre, totally less than $100 will still probably sound better to her than what she was looking at.
I don't know how good those Podcasting setups will be, but for her to spend the extra money and go with the Tascam units and a halfway decent dynamic mic should suit her very well.
Gary
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Bluesky,
I'd like to take the time to address, or at least question, another aspect of your purchase, which is Band In A Box. I'm not questioning the *purchase*, I'm sure you'll love it, but I am questioning exactly how you are going to use it.
What I want to know is if you plan on using just the Real Tracks that come with it, or if you plan on using the MIDI output of it, as well. If you are planning on using the MIDI output, do you know what synth you will be using? Will it be a hardware synth, or will it be a software synth? PCs with Windows come with a software synthesizer built in, but honestly, it isn't that great. The Roland VSC software synth which comes with BIAB is a step up, but not a very big one. You can also purchase the Coyote Forte software synth, from PG Music, but, again, in my opinion, it falls far behind most of the hardware synths.
The synth, by the way, is what actually creates the sound. Band in A Box, other than the Real Tracks, does not have any sounds of its own, it simply sends commands to a synth which then creates them. The quality of the sounds in the synth will determine how good the output is. Take five different computers, playing the exact same song, one using the MS Software synth included in WIndows, another using the Coyote Forte, and then one using a entry level Yamaha or Casio keyboard, another one using the Ketron SD2 sound module and another one using a 'pro workstation' and you'll hear the same song five different ways, or at least with five different levels of sound quality.
If you plan on using the MIDI portion of BIAB, which most people do, even with Real Tracks, then budgeting for high quality sounds is important.
I mentioned the Ketron SD2, and for the price, if you have nothing else, it seems to be one of the best values on the market as far as sound quality is concerned. Some of the tracks I've heard with it I have difficulty distinguishing from 'live.' It's that good.
By the way, welcome to the world of digital music.
Gary
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Hi, bluegal! Another two cents' worth.
Never mind the answer, what's the question? Another factor in figuring out what you need is to know what you plan to DO with the recordings you will make. If they are simply to gauge your own performance at home, almost anything will do as far as letting you know whether you are on pitch and in time with the music.
Or do you plan to sell recordings that you make? This would require that you get the very best that you could afford--and I don't mean with the $100 you apparently have in your pocketbook, but budgeting for a low-noise, full-range, high-quality mic and preamp. In that case, figure out what it is and save up for it. Buy a $20 mic until then, or use a friend's superior setup until you can afford the ideal.
I suspect that the answer lies somewhere between. The Behringer Podcast unit would give you a studio-in-a-box (hey, I kinda like the sound of that!) and be as portable as your computer, with the money you have NOW.
Be willing to make mistakes, too. There is no perfect, "right" answer to your question, except as far as it meets YOUR needs. Fact is, we're all learning. Most of us have gear stashed away that we acquired along the way, but which no longer suits our needs. Oopsie.
And welcome to one of the coolest sites on da planet. One thing you get here is perspective, and FAST. I am very grateful for that. Hope to hear what you decide, and what you do after that.
Regards,
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I agree with Ryszard.
What he says is good adwise.
Also remember that with any mic, you can adjust the distance and the angle between the singer and the mic to get a wide varity of tonal effects til you find the right balance for your voice and a particular song.with dynamic mics. ( I recomend you buy a dynamic mic for a start) So when you experiment with the angle and the distance to the mic you have a wide range of tones to chose from. Also, when you sing in the mic of axis, it will take away some of the ess sounds that can be to strong in cheap mics.
Best regards
Tono.
Also, Ryszard is absolutely correct about this forum. YOU WILL NOT FIND A BETTER FORUM.
I wish you good luck.
Best regards
Tono
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@Gary
Ah sorry about that Gary, I had not being reading very carefully I guess. I did not see the limit of 100 dollars, my bad.
@Bluesky:
Imo I have seen a lot of true and useful advices here. For you the task to find the right one that suits you. Reading your post again, and all the input of the other members it brings me to this final conclusion:
In this case I would pick from all those suggestions the podcast that Ryszard suggested, although the quality for that amount of money might not be superb, but it at least gets you going. I couldn't find any specs for it, so I really can't tell how it will sound like. For the available amount of money, I think it is the best advice for now, although I would suggest another possible solution as well:
1.You save some more money to do it right at once (I think that was also mentioned)
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2. Change your BiaB purchase if possible. If you are planning not buying one of the minimal packages of Biab (e.g. Pro or Megapack), but a large one like superpack or higher, save some money on that and buy the megapack instead. That way you got a bigger budget to buy a more decent mic and soundcard.
Your head might get an overload of all advices flying around here, but at least this forum is very supportive aye? Just take your time and weigh all posibilities carefully. As Ryszard mentioned, we all learn by trial and error, but at least pick a solution that suits your needs for now and keep all those advices in the back of your head when making your decisions. Goodluck!
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Blueskygal - welcome to the forum  Two things in your posts jump out at me: Quote:
I am a standards/jazz singer wanting to make my own recordings.
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I want to be able to plug the mic into my computer and use it to make recordings with band in the box and my karaoke mp3's as my "band."
To quote a bad saying, 'if you want to get from here to there I wouldn't start from here if I were you'  Let me explain:
I think you are going the wrong way from the start if what you have stated is all you want to do. BIAB is a great tool for composing and arranging but you don't need it if you only want to record covers and standards with karaoke mp3s that you already have. To do this, all you need is a copy of Power Tracks Pro, as you can't buy RB without BIAB, and a copy of Audacity (which is a free download). You do not need the RealTracks either.
The reason for having Audacity is the ability to pitch shift the key of the karaoke mp3 to suit your voice. If you don't need the lyrics, you could even get away with just Audacity and a free basic sequencer but Power Tracks Pro is far better than any other sequencer out there, apart from RB that is, in my opinion and far easier to use than Cubase or ProTools and will allow you to add effects to your voice (such as 'Vocals - Female (+FX)', 'Vocals - Voiceover (+FX)', 'Vocals - Background (+FX)' and so on). It will also give you the text window to see the lyrics. Audacity and Power Tracks Pro combined is all you need and just buying Power Tracks Pro would save you a lot of money as BIAB & RB is far more expensive (PTPA @ $49 versus BIAB & RB @ $129 - a saving of $80). For what you have stated you want to achieve, I see no need for buying the BIAB & RB bundle at this time. With the money you would save, you could then afford a decent pre-amp and mic.
As to the pre-amp and mic, I would recommend the TASCAM US-122 USB Audio/MIDI interface (it is the predecessor to the TASCAM US-144 and you can probably get a second-hand one on e-bay these days) and the Rode NT1-A phantom power mic (you might even find a second hand one of these on e-bay too). The Rode NT1-A is an excellent and very versatile value-for-money studio condenser mic which runs off phantom power provided by the TASCAM US-122. If you want to buy new then Gary's suggestion of the TASCAM US-144 Interface and MXL 990/991 Microphone Bundle from Musicians' Friend (and therefore probably elsewhere too) would be good value. If I had to choose from your selection, I would choose the Behringer but I wouldn't expect it to be of real studio quality because it does depend on the quality of the soundcard in your computer, whereas the TASCAM units are soundcards in their own right. For what it's worth, I also use the TASCAM US-122 as a soundcard for outputting music playback through my PA system.
You will also need a good pair of closed back headphones to hear the backing trax and not record them too while you are singing plus a mic stand and a pop-guard, of course. To save money, you can even make a pop-guard using a wire coat hanger and an old pair of stockings (plenty of places on the internet to show you how to make it - just do a Google search).
The above setup works fine for me when I record demos and covers with karaoke mp3 trax. You do not need to be a techie to use the setup I have recommended and if you get stuck then the forum is here to help.
Hope that helps.
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New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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