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I have seem some people post on here that they prefer to use MIDI and virtual instrument over Real Tracks. I really like the Real Tracks because I like having the real instrument played by someone who knows how to play it over me trying to fake a part. I feel as though I'm the opnly person on the form who uses the Real Tracks. Please tell me that is not true.
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"Please tell me that is not true."
It's not. We use RT's live. Why? Because they sound incredible (when mixed for a particular PA). There are folks here who have released albums containing RT's.
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There is no hate, you just happened to read some posts by folks who like midi and know how to work it that's all.
Midi is great but it requires skills and good synths, both hardware and software. If you have a midi piano part that was played by a good player on a good midi controller and then use a good piano VST to play it back, there is little difference between that and a piano RT in the feel and sound quality. But, there's a huge difference in that you can edit that piano midi note for note. Can't do that with a RT.
Do I have the skills to do that? Yes but for most of what I do I don't care because the piano RT's are excellent and plenty good enough. Editing midi is a very tedious job but if you want exact licks and parts for a track then you have three choices. Play the part yourself, hire a player to record it exactly the way you want it or start creating a midi file yourself from scratch by step editing and adding all the controllers to make it come to life. That's certainly not easy but skilled composers do it all the time.
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Don't forget the super midi tracks - a bit of a hybrid that are easy to work with and yield excellent results. And for us RT's, particularly solos, are fun and satisfying to comp. Generate multiple versions and cut and splice away. It's not difficult to put together a solo that really enhances the vocal. J&B PS "Hate?" I have a hard time hating on Grammy winning musicians! 
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Everyone here knows that I use MIDI almost exclusively in my original songs. I have never said that I hate RTs. In fact I have used a few in my songs and I use them almost exclusively in customers songs. I also use them in some of my covers. Since I can not post the songs I use with RTs you never get to hear how I use them.
My rule is simple, use what is best for you and for the song.
Ps - I think more people don't like MIDI based on the very inexpensive sound source that comes with MIDI (put those MIDI sounds against RTs and RTs wins by miles or kilometers for my foreign friends). They think that is how MIDI sounds, it is not. When the free ST 2.5 was added it did awake a number of users about better sounding MIDI sources however today there are much better sounding sources than that available. Plus now with jBridge you can add those better VSTis to BiaB and RB. It's a win win situation.
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone here say they "hate" the real tracks.
I use them in about 95% of the stuff I do.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I don't hate Real Tracks either. But I use MIDI much more often than I do the RTs. It's nice to have both.
I find that with a good synth, MIDI tracks sound about 95% as good as the Real Track. But the MIDI tracks have a set of advantages that for me more than make up for that difference. The MIDI tracks are thousands of times more editable than the Real Tracks. So with RTs I just sit back and listen to what someone else played, which can be fine. But with MIDI tracks I can can add better endings, add song specific licks, add kicks, clean up shots that don't work quite right, change specific notes, change chord inversions, change the instrument (examples, that clean guitar might sound better as a fuzz guitar or a Rhodes piano or a Clavinet), change specific drum instruments (change the ride cymbal to a cowbell), change the chord inversion (perhaps put the melody note on top or avoid that altogether), change the groove (example, rush or drag the up beats), and so much, much more.
The MIDI tracks allow me to play with the "toy" more and put more of my own creativeness into the music.
I find I use MIDI tracks most of the time, and if the RT is the right tool, I'll mix it in.
Neither one is right or wrong, it's personal preference.
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I guess I'm not seeing "all the hate." The presumption is there is a lot of hate. I see preferences...but I wouldn't call that hate.
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There are some things that do sound as good or better than the real tracks.
Piano and drums, and perhaps bass sound really nice on midi with good patches and or good samples. This assumes that you know how to play and or program the midi track for those particular instruments.
Midi that doesn't sound as good include the horns, reeds, stringed instruments, and other misc instruments. Try making a midi synth with samples sound like a guitar or a steel guitar or a sax with all the inflections a live player uses.
The test is simply this: can you fool someone who has been playing that particular instrument into believing it's real and not midi?
I've never had anyone ask me who was playing "that instrument" when I used midi and samples, but I have had several people ask me who was playing the fiddle or the steel guitar on my tunes.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I think there's a bit of an over-reaction with the choice of verb used in the subject title (even the capitalization).
I personally believe that RealTracks are one of the greatest features of the program.
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I personally believe that RealTracks are one of the greatest features of the program.
The real tracks are the only reason I initially looked and and subsequently bought BiaB. Their Steel Guitar tracks closed the deal for me.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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With the exception of maybe one or two, ALL my songs are 100% RT's. I rarely use midi because I only have a very basic knowledge of how to use it. Maybe someday I'll delve more into it. Real tracks are live, sound great and are easy to slice and dice.
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With the exception of maybe one or two, ALL my songs are 100% RT's. I rarely use midi because I only have a very basic knowledge of how to use it. Maybe someday I'll delve more into it. Real tracks are live, sound great and are easy to slice and dice. +1 for RTs.
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Without RTs, my music would be as mute as I am!
I'm working to get some great guitarists to work up some fabulous RTs for BIAB 2017. Stay tuned.
RTs R Us!
MarioD is the resident MIDI Guru. Maybe he can be coerced into writing some guideline tutorials for us.
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<...snip...> Midi that doesn't sound as good include the horns, reeds, stringed instruments, and other misc instruments. Try making a midi synth with samples sound like a guitar or a steel guitar or a sax with all the inflections a live player uses. <...> Sample playback synths have their uses, and their drawbacks. For a good sax performance you need a physical modeling synth -- some "sample-modeling" synths can get close. But using a sample based synth to recreate an instrument with many nuances of sound is like building house with only a hammer. MIDI has no sound. It all depends on the synth that you are using and the skill of the player. With a good synth and a good player the MIDI synth output will sound every bit as good as the real player, and in some circumstances, even better. MIDI instruments have been on virtually every major recording from LA, Nashville, New York and other played on your radio or streaming service since the LP was the way to listen to music. If they sounded bad, they wouldn't use them. "Real" guitars, drums, saxes, trumpets, pianos, etc. all sound bad if you have a lame instrument and/or don't know how to play it. MIDI is no exception. Important: There is nothing wrong with RTs, and I do use them when they are the best tool for the job. But their lack of the ability to edit them makes me use MIDI more often. Melodyne and a few others offer rudimentary editing capabilities of digital recordings, and some day they will definitely get better at it. Until then, I'll get more use out of MIDI. Whatever tool it takes for me to do the best job I can is the one I'll choose. And if I make a poor judgement and choose the wrong tool, I'll go back and do it again. MIDI can fool people on their own instruments. Example: I posted a synth guitar solo that I played on a gig on both the Gibson and Epiphone forums. I used a Yamaha WX5 wind MIDI controller and a Yamaha VL70-m synth. I didn't tell the guitar players that it was a synth, but asked them to evaluate my playing. I got scores of compliments, one even said it was Jeff-Beck-Like and not one guitarist asked if it was a real guitar or not. Then I came clean and told them it was me playing a synth and I just wanted to see how I was doing at playing synth guitar. I got even more compliments and some told me they were astounded that I fooled them. After coming clean, one poster said he though there was something odd about the whammy bar use, but couldn't put his finger on it. This is the kind of feedback I wanted so that I can improve my guitar emulation. I immediately worked on that aspect. If MIDI is good enough to fool scores of guitarists, it's good enough to fool the public. Another example: I was playing a pool party. The hostess was outside, and the host, a find guitarist was tending to the guests inside. And one point when I was playing synth guitar (again the wind controller) he came out to see who was sitting in on guitar. One more: I was playing in the lounge of a country club. The diners in the adjacent dining room could hear us but not see us. A trumpet player came our to hear who was playing trumpet and found me playing the synth. He was so amazed he wanted to know all about what I was using, when I told him there was another controller for brass players, he wrote down model numbers, the URL of the wind controller forum, and said he wanted one for himself. So please don't spread the falsehood that MIDI sounds bad. MIDI has no sound, but some synth modules have bad sounds, and some synth players don't know how to coax the right expression out of them. Even good players on other instruments. For example, if you play a sax like it was a piano, the best synth module in the world won't sound like a sax. Conversely if you play a piano patch like a sax, it won't sound like a piano. Not that either is bad if that is what you wanted to do. Insights and incites by Notes
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I get rave reviews of my guitar playing. I let it ride rather than embarrass them and myself by saying "Oh, that's RTs!" Some famed guitarists have loved my tunes and even asked to use them. I won't embarrass them with too much information. lol
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In the early days of RealTracks, I was paid to do transcriptions of sax and guitar solos. I would test my work by playing in stereo with the RealTrack on one side, my MIDI on the other. While it took some effort to do things like a glissando, most people could not tell my transcription from the audio track. It is possible.
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I've been around the forums a bit since my coming into this company, and have not seen any disliking toward RealTracks. Some people may feel like they get neglected, but MIDI can sound just as good as RealTracks if you have the plugins, synthesizers, and knowledge to utilize it. Band-in-a-Box's specialty is versatility. It's mostly personal preference. Talking to people on the phone though, everyone loves them. No hate seen by us.
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I've been here far longer than RealTracks and you're right. All we've ever done is discuss the many alternatives BIAB gives us. And we are grateful.
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Folk guitarist, Nina Gerber, who backed the late Kate Wolf (qv) for 14 years, asked to use two of my BIAB original s for her next album. Needless to say, she was impressed and now uses BIAB for backing tracks to accompany her playing.
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We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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