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Hi everyone; firstly Happy New Year to you all.
I've just installed BB2017 and downloaded the latest patches.
I seem to have an issue where I have a mixture of Reals Tracks and MIDI; they are totally our of sync with each other. Return to factory settings (most, not all) didn't help at all.
Can anyone suggest where I should start looking?
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Keith
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>>> Return to factory settings (most, not all) didn't help at all.
Do an "-all" not most.
Alternatively,
1 quit biab so it is not running
2 erase interface.bbw and mysetup.dk from BB folder.
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Thank you Peter, option 2 did the trick.
Should I reload my saved preferences, (colour, count in etc) or reset them manually?
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Keith
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Could I ask? What's in those files stored? It is properly before deleting these files somewhere to store?
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Those files store preferences. Deleting them does the same thing as return to factory settings.
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When running a mixture of mid and audio tracks, you will often encounter crippling latency due to the use of the MME driver, especially when using an off the shelf laptop or even a desktop machine, the soundcard chip isn't capable of working in a multitrack environment using MME (the most common default driver). The issue comes in because the MME driver isn't efficient enough to handle the load in the same manner an ASIO driver can. The synth has to convert the midi data to audio and deliver it to the speakers in real time, in sync with the audio, and the driver plays a critical part in that timing sequence by making everything work efficiently, or not.
If the "return to factory default" doesn't work, you can try adjusting your buffer size and your latency settings. Test it to see if that works. Some folks also find success in using ASIO4ALL... a free wrapper for the MME driver. A4A never worked for me.
A better way, although more expensive way to resolve this issue, is to purchase a USB connected, dedicated music interface. One that uses true ASIO for it's driver. That's the best way to eliminate the latency issues.
Many of the folks here, including myself, are using some sort of external sound card/interface that runs ASIO. It simply makes life in the studio so much sweeter. They may require a few tweeks in the setup, but once setup properly, they work like they are supposed to and become a transparent part of the process.
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"using some sort of external sound card/interface that runs ASIO"
Any recommendations? Price.
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If you go with Focusrite (which has nice convertors) be aware the 2i2 is pretty limited. It doesn't have the mixer/routing options like the rest of the Focusrite line. It does include a few nice plugins though.
Wish I had known that before purchasing, I'd have went up another step.
Depending on your motherboard, there are also decent internal sound cards available still. External doesn't necessarily make it better (and theoretically would actually be slower though in practice not noticeably so), but external interfaces are more common and are easily moved between systems. So they do have their plus sides.
Focusrite, Audiobox, and M-Audio (including FastTrack, Delta1010 and 1010lt) have all been used here successfully, though the 1010's require a PCI slot. The others are external.
Others I've seen mentioned and recommended include Roland, Behringer and Tascam.
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I would suggest that prior to purchasing an external audio interface you do a little homework. Things like how many inputs do I need, will I be recording guitars/basses directly into the unit, do I need any line inputs, how many outputs do I need, do I need a S/PDIF inputs and outputs etc.
How many inputs is one of the most important questions to ask. Don't buy a 10 input unit when you are only going to use one mic. Consequently don't buy a 2 input is you anticipate recording using 5 mics.
Doing a little homework can save you a lot of time and possibly money.
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in a usb interface are you meaning a device between the computer and the keyboard? I am currently connecting my keyboard to the computer (win 10) via the maudio midisport and the latency is terrible no matter how I tweek it. What would you suggest as an interface for my yamaha keyboard with midi connections and my windows 10 desktop with usb connections? Thanks!
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A USB interface device can be MIDI, Audio or both.
The MIDISport is MIDI.
In your case what is likely happening is the MIDISport is getting the MIDI signal to the computer plenty fast. The latency occurs when the computer tries to take that MIDI and turn it into sound.
This is the process where latency normally occurs; incoming MIDI needs to be turned into audio by whatever softsynth you are using inside the computer.
ASIO drivers were designed to handle this exact situation.
Audio Stream Input/Output.
^ That's the ASIO acronym; it helps create audio (sound) faster.
Your MIDI device is fine, it is the audio side that is slowing things down, most likely.
The aforementioned Audio Interface devices will likely help.
Every system is different and some play nicer with one device than another .. but I have used all the ones I mentioned above without issue.
The key is getting that MIDI to turn into Audio and get it back to the speakers/monitors/headphones as quickly as possible. Natively Windows is not geared toward this.
By design Windows (MME, WDM, etc) 'buffers' audio, meaning it needs a moment to do the work, look ahead and get the audio stream going.
ASIO is much faster.
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I struggled with latency for many years and followed all the advice given on this forum but eventually realized that the only way to completely eliminate and forget about the problem is to go the hardware route.
For midi I use a midi synth - mine is a Roland SD-50.
For RT's you must use ASIO with an external sound module. I use a Focusrite 2i2 simply as an external sound card so it suites me fine.
Tony
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Tony,
FTR, I didn't mean to imply there was anything wrong with the 2i2. It works. Audio goes in and out with good quality.
I just wish I had known the limitations before buying. I'd have spent a little more if I did, so I mentioned it.
For example, you can't pan an incoming audio signal. It goes where it goes depending on the connection used on the 2i2. (L/R/Center)
I'm used to being able to set the incoming vocal, guitar (or whatever) where I want it as I record. With the 2i2 I have to record first, then I can pan.
At least that's how it works here because it doesn't include the Focusrite mixer applet (I think it's the only one that doesn't!).
Like you said; hardware solves it quickly; the computer doesn't have to generate instant sound. This is truly the most reliable solution, but then I can't use all this software stuff I bought!
When playing live I always use hardware if any way possible (or convert to audio).
In the studio I'm more flexible.
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For RT's you must use ASIO with an external sound module. I use a Focusrite 2i2 simply as an external sound card so it suites me fine. I think you misspoke here Tony? RT's are audio tracks not midi. Neither ASIO, a sound module or an interface is required to play them. Bob
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For RT's you must use ASIO with an external sound module. I use a Focusrite 2i2 simply as an external sound card so it suites me fine. I think you misspoke here Tony? RT's are audio tracks not midi. Neither ASIO, a sound module or an interface is required to play them. Bob I don't think I misspoke. Yes, because RT's are audio tracks you need a sound card to play them and need to click "audio settings" in "midi/audio drivers setup dialogue" You then need to choose MME or ASIO and "audio drivers" which is where your external sound card/module like the 2i2 will show up. What's wrong with that? Tony
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Tony, I think the distinction here is that latency is only a concern during recording, and only then if monitoring live to play or sing along. That's when you need ASIO.
You can use any setting to play back audio. I think maybe that's what Bob was getting at. I run my BIAB using MME because then I can have other audio programs running too. I do my recording into my DAW anyway.
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"using some sort of external sound card/interface that runs ASIO"
Any recommendations? Price.
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DE Several folks have mentioned Focusrite, M-Audio, Presonus, and a few others. The main thing to be aware of is that some of the cheaper ones and the "multi-function" units tend to use proprietary codecs and don't run native ASIO. Avoid those things like the plague. Be sure it uses the true ASIO driver. And for goodness sake, don't buy an interface that's also a guitar processor or some other combo unit. Get a dedicated interface. Aside from that, also ensure it has audio preamps, phantom power, and the number of channels you need. Most home recording enthusiasts really only need 2 channels. Also note..... if the keyboard you use for midi is USB connected, you do not need to spend the money to get an interface that incorporates midi into it. The interface will be able to handle the USB keyboard input just fine using ASIO. Prices vary but having a budget of around $200 to $300 will ensure you get one that is designed well and will do the job you need it to do. DO your research, ask others what they are using, visit some music stores that have a recording department, and choose one that fits your needs. Personally, I like the Focusrite interfaces. I have an older Focusrite Saffire firewire interface. I bought it when firewire was a faster data port than USB was at the time. It's over 10 years old and has never given me any issues. I paid $300 dollars for it at the time. The price dropped to $250 about a year later. Since having it for that long, the price amounts to 8 cents a day to have a top quality interface. I've always told folks looking for an interface to NOT be afraid to spend a bit more than you think you might need. Cut corners with money if you need to on mics, cords, other things and lava lamps, but don't go cheap on the interface. It's the heart of your studio recording system. A parting thought.... don't run the interface into a USB hub device. Plug it directly into a USB port on the computer. It's not a given, but there can be some issues if you connect through a hub. Most computers now have 4 or more USB ports. But if you only have 2, give one to the interface and use the hub for printers and mice and other peripheral things.
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I have a somewhat dated M-Audio Fastrack Pro; however, the concept is the same with the newer units.
Even with just two line/instrument inputs (one stereo L/R input), unless you need actually need to record more than two channels concurrently, it's easy to connect a small mixer to that two line input, extending the number of inputs available to you. For example, my mixer allows input to my computer from my Ketron SD-2, two Casio keyboards, my acoustic-electric guitar, and two microphones.
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Tony, how do you listen to any kind of audio with your computer if you're not running Biab? Say you're on Youtube or Soundcloud listening to stuff. All you need for that is your built in Realtec or whatever sound on your system.
That's what I'm referring to. Lots of folks never use midi, and never use Biab for recording anything either. They use it to create all RT backing tracks to play along with. Playing along doesn't mean it's going through their computer. It could me sitting at my piano or somebody else using their guitar through an amp. In that case you need nothing but the audio output on the back of your desktop or headphone out from a laptop. Saying in order to play RT's requires an interface or sound module is wrong. What do RT's have to do with a sound module? You don't even need anything but your built in sound for simply generating prerecorded midi parts either if you have softsynths on your system. Just because you had problems using them doesn't mean everybody does.
Noobies have enough confusion as it is, I'm just trying to keep things precisely correct. If you want to play around with the RT/RD's and/or softsynths for midi all you need is your computer and some powered speakers or headphones. You could put together songs using a Surface Pro sitting on a bus going to work.
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