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Simple request - please extend MultiRiffs to drum tracks! It's by far the most useful addition to BiaB in the years I've been using it, but it's a little frustrating not to have the same control over the drum tracks.

Sorry if this has been requested already (I'd be surprised if it hasn't), but couldn't find anything on a search.

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This is a good idea for those whom use RDs so

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re Drums.

please see my past wishes in the wishes fora and includeing being able to load drum sounds into a sample player triggered..say in realband.

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If you have reaper this will give you total control of what drum track you need.

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+1

A silly question, do existing RD's have enough material for those Multi Riffs?

Hmm... Even if not, there might be a way to make something up with combination of A/B parts and separate drum stems of RD's for Multiriff variety.

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YES PLUS more, more, more multitrack versions.


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Before I upgrade to 2023, can anyone confirm whether this feature has been added? Couldn't see it in the summary of new features, but hoping it's been snuck in...

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It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ?
There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out.

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Originally Posted By: musocity
It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ?
There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out.


Thanks for that - helpful response! But very disappointed that it's not been included in the new version.

It would be good to at least have a response from PG Music about this, because at the moment I can't see any reason why RealTracks can be partially regenerated but not RealDrums? Are they particularly different? They seem to be the same thing in essence.

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Originally Posted By: Mike02392
Originally Posted By: musocity
It's not working in the floating Alt+F8 window, not sure if they will be adding that soon in a fix or it will be next year ?
There is an F5 control to put a fill where you like or take one out.


It would be good to at least have a response from PG Music about this, because at the moment I can't see any reason why RealTracks can be partially regenerated but not RealDrums? Are they particularly different? They seem to be the same thing in essence.


I suspect this is due to the way the program has evolved over time, realdrums were introduced before realtracks and both features were developed independently.

But yes, I agree with the fact that, as much as possible, both should behave the same manner and share the same pickers and options. The fact that there are so many different track types (each one using different pickers, filters, options and features not because a design decision but because the way they have been introduced over time) is, IMO, one of the main reasons why people consider BIAB a difficult and counter-intuitive program.

So yes, +1 here (and yes, this has been asked before)

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Same with a UseTrack:
Originally Posted By: musocity
The Button Main RT Alt RT should change when the selected track is a UserTrack or RealDrums
Main RT
Alt RT
Main RD
Alt RD
Main UT
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I hope the Drum Riffs and UserTrack riffs are put in before next year.
If not here a few options:

In Realband you have more control but it takes so much longer, if it was made to work like Reaper it would be INSTANT.
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Having the sfz sample sets now for RealDrums this should work well:
RealDrum Solos, Rolls
If you just generate up DRUMSOLJ.STY export the midi drum file and import it to a Utility track in the Biab with RealDrums, set a section where you want a solo by enabling Playable Track then copy and paste the notes in from the midi drum solo that is on the Utility track, you can solo the Util track to find the riff you like.

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Biab Drums in Reaper will give full editing control
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=260677
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4mu71bmk1d2a8hf/Reaper-Biab-Drums-GUI.mp4?dl=0

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https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=716019&page=all
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=717674#Post717674
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I'd love to see this functionality as well!

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I don't think this has been added in the 2024 update frown I thought I'd read somewhere that it had, but I can't seem to do it so re-requesting.

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Originally Posted by Mike02392
I don't think this has been added in the 2024 update frown I thought I'd read somewhere that it had, but I can't seem to do it so re-requesting.

It has been added and advertised as a new feature, but it doesn't work, it just regenerates the entire drum track.

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Disappointed to see this hasn't been included in the 2025 update. Can still only partially regenerate RealTracks, not RealDrums frown

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You can use the RealTrack Edit Mode now to cut copy move resize, though you can't copy the section to a new track, if it had that then you could build up your drum track just how you like.

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I made up one for Reaper that you could add a drum riff but the source tracks had riffs recorded in them

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I don't know how you would do the multiriff drums as they just play patterns for different sections see text below of a drum style.

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pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,8,9
pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,8,17
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pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,10
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,18
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,10
pattern,Normal,a,1,2,7,18
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,3   ;6 bars
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,6,2
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pattern,Normal,a,5,3,6,19
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pattern,Normal,a,5,8,5,12
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,5,20
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pattern,Normal,a,5,2,4,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,4,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,4,4
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pattern,Normal,a,5,2,3,10
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pattern,Normal,a,5,0,2,2
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pattern,Normal,a,5,2,2,4
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pattern,Normal,a,5,3,2,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,13
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pattern,PostFill,a,6,0,2,17
pattern,Normal,a,3,3,2,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,2,21
pattern,Normal,a,3,3,2,23
pattern,PreFill,a,5,0,2,23
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pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,2
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,3
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,4
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,6
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pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,5,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,6,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,7,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,8,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,5
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,6
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,7
pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,8
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,9
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,10
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,11
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,12
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,13
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,14
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,15
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pattern,Normal,a,5,0,1,19
pattern,Normal,a,5,4,1,20
pattern,Normal,a,5,1,1,21
pattern,Normal,a,5,2,1,22
pattern,Normal,a,5,3,1,23
pattern,Normal,a,3,4,1,24
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;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,26   ;7 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,34
;pattern,Normal,b,3,2,7,42
;pattern,Normal,b,3,6,7,34
;pattern,Normal,b,3,6,7,42
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,27   ;6 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,35  
;pattern,Normal,b,3,3,6,43
;pattern,Normal,b,3,7,6,43
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,28   ;5 bars
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,36   
;pattern,Normal,b,3,4,5,44
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pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,29
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,33
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,37
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,4,41
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,4,45
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;pattern,Normal,b,5,1,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,0,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,3,2,30
;pattern,Normal,b,5,5,2,30
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,31
pattern,PostFill,b,4,0,2,33
;pattern,Normal,b,5,1,2,34  
;pattern,Normal,b,5,0,2,34
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,35
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,2,37
pattern,PostFill,b,2,0,2,34
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,39
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,2,41
pattern,PreFill,b,5,0,2,43
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,2,45
pattern,PreFill,b,5,3,2,47
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,25   ;1 bar
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,26
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,27
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,27
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pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,29
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,30
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,31
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,31
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,32
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,33   
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,34
pattern,Normal,b,5,0,1,34
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,35
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,36
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,37
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,38
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,39
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,40
pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,41
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,42
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,43
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pattern,PostFill,b,6,0,1,45
pattern,Normal,b,5,2,1,46
pattern,Normal,b,5,3,1,47
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,48
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pattern,Ending,0,5,0,2,51    ;2 bars 
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pattern,Fill,a,5,0,1,54
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,55
pattern,Fill,b,5,0,1,56
Shot,0,56,478,344,5,110   ;kick
Shot,0,57,343,248,3,100   ;snare
Shot,1,58,112,340,3,80   ;crash and kick 1
Shot,1,59,412,440,3,80   ;crash and Snare
Shot,1,61,226,400,4,90   ;crash2 and kick 
Shot,1,57,343,230,1,100   ;snare

;this style uses 65 bars. 20 megs 

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Originally Posted by Mike02392
Disappointed to see this hasn't been included in the 2025 update. Can still only partially regenerate RealTracks, not RealDrums frown

It did get fixed in 2024 version but is only available from Realdrums in the multipicker. It sort of works but not great. I'm not bothering with 2025 but there's no mention of it being improved so it's probably done and forgotten with now.

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You can use DRUMSOLJ.STY and Force Midi Drums, you can generate up a midi drum solo track in another instance of Biab with PlayableRealDrums enabled, play through to find the riffs or rolls you like then just highlight those bars on the Chord Sheet, now drag the Drum track at the top of BB to the MID Drop, when green drag and drop into the other instance of Biab choose the track and position and check "Merge with existing data".
You can import any section from any midi file drums you may have.
You can also use a VST like EZDrummer, just drag export the midi solos from Biab DRUMSOLJ.STY into EZDrummer users library.
You can change the Sforzando VST in the PayableRealDrums track to EZDrummer and it will play the midi drums in the EZDrummer track where you have the green mute sections in the BB Piano Roll, if you want the same sample set as Sforzando then you need to use ElementVST to chain Sforzando with the same sample set it was using after EZDrummer and set EZDrummer to just send it's midi out to Sforzando.
As we still can't chain VSTi in Biab VST Handling Fixes Needed

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Thanks for the suggestions, folks. I do already have my workaround which is just to export a bunch of regens into my DAW and select the parts I like from different takes, but it would be so much faster for my workflow if I could just F8 it like I do with the RealTracks.

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If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins

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