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I've been using RB & Hyper Canvas for years.
Today, out of the blue, it just stopped working!
When I press play on a midi file, as soon as the first click of the count-in starts, the master volume of Hyper Canvas goes to "0". There are no midi events, in the tracks, causing this.
I've tried reinstalling RB AND Hyper Canvas. No change.
I'm stumped. Can anyone offer suggestions?
Thanks,
Mick
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Mick, is it possible that you have associated CC7 with a controller? Maybe the mod wheel like Garritan stuff? Have you tried inserting a CC7 during the count-in? If so does that work? Is your Hyper Canvas out being sent to the right bus or master? Is the midi track being sent to the Hyper Canvas? Is any other midi track being sent to it? Is the midi and the Hyper Canvas set to the same midi channel?
These are just the first things that popped into my head.
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Hi Mario,
I wouldn't even know how to associate a CC#!!
I haven't changed any outs. (where would I look?)
I have the "reroute midi through dxi" checked as usual. (hyper canvas is selected)
When I open the dxi configuration panel, as soon as the midi file starts, The master volume of hyper canvas drops to 0 automatically.
I can see activity on the vu meters of the individual tracks.
If I raise the master volume of the dxi the sound plays, but if I stop & start the song the master, once again, goes back to 0.
This happens with any midi file.
The hyper canvas master volume changes at will...
Last edited by Mick Emery; 11/04/11 07:25 AM.
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I loaded Coyote dxi & everything works fine in all midis.
It has to be Hyper Canvas. Shame...Hyper Canvas sounds so much better when it works.
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Put the disc in your PC and try it again.
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Mick,
Have you tried Hypercanvas in BIAB (in addition to RB) to see if it works?
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Here's a link to a pdf in case you don't have one. Take a look at the chapter marked - Saving and Loading a control change map. It might not be the problem but it should get you started on figuring out what is setting it to zero. HTH Jim. http://dallashodgson.info/articles/Acrobat/HyperCanvasHQManual.pdf
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I reinstalled. Still no difference!
Hyper Canvas works fine in BIAB.
If I copy a midi file from BIAB to the clipboard, close BIAB & open from the clipboard in RB, the master volume turns off & on at will.
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Hi Mick, If Hypercanvas works in BIAB, then that means the program is fine and the problem lies with RB. You mention that you copy a midi file (in BIAB) to the clipboard and then paste it into RB, and this causes issues. If you load a pre-existing midi file into RB without going via the clipboard, does the problem still exist or is it only with copies midi? If you go to the below link and then scroll down, you'll find some links to various aspects of midi and realband. Also, #56 explains how to return Realband to factory settings. (Before deleting any of the suggested files, though, save them first as a backup so that you can return to the original files if you need to. I tend to simply change the extension to my name: e.g. Realband.ini changes to Realband.ini.noel and RB.cfg to RB.cfg.noel.)http://www.pgmusic.com/techfaq25.htmRegards, Noel
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Hi Noel.
It happens with any midi file I use, (copied or otherwise) but ONLY when I use Hyper Canvas.
Coyote works fine, so does Sample Tank.
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Hi Mick, I'm not sure the below relates to Hypercanvas but I have Cakewalk TTS-1 and have been playing around with it. I've looked at Hypercanvas on the Roland website and TTS-1 looks very similar. I thought I'd post my "playing around" in case it's useful to you. Is the master volume set all the way up? Also, have you tried the "Panic" button to see if that resets the VSTi? (See image below.)  I've also had a play around with the "System" option in the VSTi/TTS-1 window and have found that if the "Output" is not set to "1", I get no sound. This too might be worth checking. Below is a second image. I accessed this option via "System (TTS window) | Options (on the red pop-up)". I'm not sure if Hypercanvas has a similar set.  If the above still do not get results, the next thing that I'd try is going to the link I suggested in my previous post and resetting RB to factory settings (#56). By resetting, when you start RB, it will ask you to set up audio and midi options from scratch. It could be that some setting in some configuration file is not as it should be. (As mentioned above, though, if you go for the reset, save copies of the original files.) Regards, Noel
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Hi Noel,
I tried all of your suggestions. I even uninstalled & reinstalled RB.
The master volume in Hyper Canvas would go to zero at the first count in.
Sometimes the master volume would go up & down randomly.
The only thing that worked was to delete the 1st 2 bars of each midi file.
I have no idea why this would happen on separate files, that played okay before...
There were no events showing in the tracks causing this.
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Hi Mick,
I find it curious that it seems to be the count-in bars that are causing the problem.
One thing that also occurred to me is that if you have reinstalled RB, you will also need to download and install the latest update for your version of RB. A a re-installation will take the program back to its original version.
If re-installing the latest update doesn't work, then I suggest you send Support an email and forward them the URL of this thread so that they can see what you have tried.
All the best,
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The only thing that worked was to delete the 1st 2 bars of each midi file.
I have no idea why this would happen on separate files, that played okay before...
There were no events showing in the tracks causing this.
There's got to be *something* in the way of Data in there somewhere that is causing this.
Removing the first two bars results in it not happening, something in those first two bars...
Might be on a MIDI channel that is not being seen by the Event List due to filtering or settings.
Might also be a setting in the softsynth that somehow got turned on recently, but it would still be responding to Data sent to it from the songfile's first two bars or so.
The softsynth, like all MIDI stuff, is a State Machine. And something is telling it to change state.
Try inserting a new CC7 with the desired level at the ver end of the 2nd bar. See if the response to that differs.
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Hi Rick
One of the handier "detective" keys in RB is the F2 if you're using midi and looking for strange command changes (CCs). Especially in the first couple of bars.
If you haven't tried it already, click on each midi track in turn and click F2. All data is in blue, all commands are in what looks like brown. Make sure everything on each track has the same channel number, and that each Event
isn't set to a "0" which means the Event has been turned off.
As I said - it's a thought as has been already mentioned about some setting accidentally inserted in the first couple of bars - F2 will show you the initial settings on each track.
Have you already tried this?
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F2 is the Event List. Same thing.
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It appears that almost any event from a CC can cause the master volume in Hyper Canvas to fluctuate wildly. (unless several measures have been deleted)
I took about 9 different midi files to see what would happen.
Some were okay when I deleted any events at the beginning. On a few...the master volume would fluctuate even with a CC64. (sustain)
What stumps me is that it doesn't happen with Coyote.
It also doesn't happen in Hyper Canvas if I delete several of the 1st measures. (even tho' CC's are being used.)
Maybe I should just give up on Hyper Canvas & save everyone time. Is TTS sold separately?
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I could add some suggestions as I have a strong suspicion were to look however being that my head is up my butt and I'm looking through a second set of eyes I'm probably wrong.
I know the statement wasn't directed at me personally but it's a very sore point with me.
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No the shoe doesn't fit however that generalized statement was offensive & degrading to me and any other Inspector who works very hard to do the job he/she was hired to do.
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