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Whoa, what's happening here? When I kicked off this thread I had no idea it would run like this! Thanks for all your input everyone.
So what do I think?
It may be over-simplistic, but I like the performer, or band, to be somehow different to the jukebox. Don't get me wrong, I've spent many hours happily drinking warm beer (this is England don't you know) and listening to the jukebox, but I don't want to sit and look at it all night.
For me, it's live if it can entertain me and hold my attention. After that, everything else is secondary.
Thanks again, everyone, for sharing your experience and views. If I hadn't learnt anything else, I know not to mention Van Halen in front of Eddie!
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If I hadn't learnt anything else, I know not to mention Van Halen in front of Eddie!
Not even Van HEFLIN!!
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Captain opinion strikes again!!!
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Eddie -
Every so often, some kid who's just got his first guitar will come through the door clutching a Van Halen CD and I just know that his parents will think I'm a lousy teacher if I can't show him how to play all the tracks in his first lesson.
People have noticed me start to flinch visibly when one of his tracks comes on the radio.
Think we could start a club?
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Kinda like hearing a new guitar player plunk through "Smoke on the Water"!!
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Even worse: "Stairway to Heaven"!!
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Annnnngheeey! Beeeauuutiful!
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I tell this story often. In a Guitar Center store last year, there was a mid 20 something sitting on an amp just hammering the nexk of a Les Paul. I sietened until he took a breath and said "Impressive! Can you show me a Bbmin7?" He muttered an f-bomb at me and went back to hammering.
He could NOT show me a Bbmin7.....
Kids, don't learn "songs". Learn "MUSIC". Songs are made from MUSIC. MUSIC is not made of songs.
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'Stairway To Heaven' is actually banned at most music shops I have been to. I wouldn't WANT to play it anyway.
The 20-something hadn't reached bar chords yet, Eddie? Now, if you had asked him for a Dbmin13b5, I might have felt some sympathy for the poor ignoramus. But a simple bar chord?
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I tell this story often. In a Guitar Center store last year, there was a mid 20 something sitting on an amp just hammering the nexk of a Les Paul. I sietened until he took a breath and said "Impressive! Can you show me a Bbmin7?" He muttered an f-bomb at me and went back to hammering.
Yep, that kind of arrogance is rampant at guitar center. You would think we would be more accepting of our fellow musicians. Alas, we are not.
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We stopped at a County Fair last weekend while travelling through Arizona. They had a 7 or 8 person "group" singing on stage. Good vocals (mostly) and definitely what you would call a "live" performance, despite not having a single instrument in sight.
I let the word "karaoke" slip out while discussing them with the wife. Her quick reply was, "it's not any different than using Band In A Box" and of course she was right.
So if a group of singers constitutes a "live performance" then I would say that ANY live singer constitues a live performance. If that is the case (and not everyone here agrees that it is), then BIAB or backing tracks only ADDS to the performance, at least in my estimation.
My feeling is, if there's a "live" person performing, either a capella, with a guitar, with a piano, with a band or with BIAB/backing tracks, it is a "live performance".
The only question now becomes "what about lip syncing"????
Just my 2 pesos worth <grin>
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And that my friend is why I don't take my wife with me anywhere  . . . . just kidding of course. Later,
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lip syncing to a mp3 track - now we have to draw the line somewhere. but it does anwere the age old question, "..is it Live or Memorex?"
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lip syncing to a mp3 track - now we have to draw the line somewhere. but it does anwere the age old question, "..is it Live or Memorex?"
yet its worth noting that Brittany Spears is generally considered to be an entertainer. And the ads say things like "LIVE IN CONCERT..."
After reading and evaluating all the observations made in this thread, especially Notes Norton's observations about people staying home to get their entertainment in the virtual world... I'd have to expand my definition of live entertainment to include anything in the real world (ie, NOT the virtual world) that includes real people on stage that are the focus of the audience's attention.
Stated differently, if you had to leave home and go somewhere to watch a real person put his/her ego on the line in any way whatsoever, it's a live performance by my new definition.
(This has been an Interesting and thought provoking thread)
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No one would want to see a dead Britney Spears!
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Wanted Dead Or Alive: Britney Spears
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I used to do a schtick where when announcing a song, I'd say, "Here is another song never recorded by Britney Spears." It got many laughs a few years ago (I usually play to an over 40 audience).
I like Pat Marr's observation.
And I'm alive, so is Leilani, so even though our tracks are pre-recorded, our performance over those tracks is live.
I've seen ads for Live DJ and always got an internal grin over that, after all, if the DJ was dead, how could he/she spin records, CDs, or digital files?
We were in a big variety show for a retirement village, and before us were some female impersonators lip-syncing to songs by Barbra Streisand and Liza Minnelli. Not my proverbial 'cup of tea' but the audience laughed it up quite a bit. The performers were definitely live.
I've also seen Elvis impersonators lip-sync to Elvis Presley records. Again, something I wouldn't pay to see, but they were performing anyway. And I'm old enough to notice how as time goes on, the Elvis-impersonators get less and less like the real Elvis.
We once got booked in a club on Sunday where the sign said Live Reggae. We knew about a dozen reggae songs, not enough, so I told the crowd my name was Reggie but my parents didn't spell it correctly. We ended up getting re-booked in that club on Sundays for about 2 years, but they changed the sign.
So I'm with you, Pat. Anything that gets them up, away from the salesman in the living room (TV) and into a club, theater, or whatever where a performer is actually performing is a live performance.
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