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Just downloaded trial ver of Reaper.

Can some provide examples of how you use both apps?

One question I have is: in BIAB I have the chord sheet. I understand Cubase now shows the chord info, does Reaper do the same?

Thanks for any comments.

Reaper and BIAB are a great combo. All BIAB audio and/or midi tracks will "drag&drop" directly into Reaper. They both run concurrently (dual screens is nice) when you use ASIO in Reaper and MME in BIAB.

The way I do it in Reaper is Snip a picture of the Chord Sheet from BIAB (Snipping Tool in Win 7 and above), then I simply paste it on a track in Reaper. The image appears on the Track and I can expand the track to a size which keeps the whole chord chart picture on the screen.

Thanks Music Student for the tip re: chord sheet.

I run BIAB and Reaper together as this is my preferred method. I know there are fans of Realband but I find Reaper to be much more stable than Realband. I did miss the ability to regenerate specific bars in Realband for the real tracks but I now prefer to edit in Reaper. That being said here is my work flow with both. Beware it's lengthy, probably too long but if it helps then it's worth it, right?

I create the basic song format in BIAB as one continuous chorus. Once I'm satisfied including the ending I will drag and drop each individual track as a WAVE file either into a reaper project or into a source folder to add later. The beauty of BIAB and real tracks is that you can regenerate as many times as I want and save each rendered track as a wave. I usually generate multiple takes of the same instrument (sometimes up to eight) because I will usually edit them in Reaper. I also take the time to render other instruments because you never know. If you keep the song file open in BIAB while working in Reaper you can also test other instruments on the fly while working on the project in Reaper.

As far as editing, some may find my method a bit anal but it works for me and you may find a better way. Here's a sample on how I edit a guitar track. I first render the guitar track from BIAB with the DI option checked if it's available. I find you get a much more uniform sound if you add an amp simulator onto the Reaper track. You also have the option of using Amplitube in BIAB on a DI track and you can render from that. You will have more flexibility if you do it in Reaper though as your stuck with the rendered sound from BIAB.

I create several new empty tracks in Reaper and import each rendered track of the guitar track from BIAB on to each track. I then select and highlight all the tracks,right click to bring up the menu. There is an option to implode all selected tracks to takes on one track. Reaper will consolidate all the tracks on to one track as separate takes. You can now split the takes all at once however you want. I split every measure (sometimes each beat). Takes some time to do but the result is that when you press play you can audition each take separately selecting and building each piece as you go. It gives you much more control and creativity than regenerating in Realband and waiting for that to take place. You can truly come up with some unique tracks and it keeps you in a creative groove. It works great for drums,bass and piano too.

Then when your happy render the finished track and mute the original (keep the original!!!!). The rest of the work is done in Reaper. I will say this though do try to learn how BIAB works and how to use the bar settings. You can save yourself a lot of edit time by letting BIAB do some of the heavy lifting especially trying get holds, shots, rests and endings. This is an area I struggle with and need to spend more time learning myself.

This is but one of many ways to work with both programs together. Hopefully you can get some great ideas that will work for you.

Reaper doesn't show chord information. You can easily create markers, but they have to be inserted manually.

I generally create my backing tracks in BiaB, and export the audio and MIDI to Reaper.

The way I think about editing in a DAW is slicing and dicing audio. That's my mental model, and Reaper supports that for me. I'm certainly not suggesting that's the only or best way to thing about things... Just the way I do it.

I'll often create multiple audio tracks for per instrument in BiaB. This may include tracks which contain only holds, multiple takes for one style, and even alternate styles for instruments (for example, different styles of playing for the bass).

BiaB supports drag-and-drop, but I'm stuck in my ways of just generating the part and saving a .wav file.

I'll then import all these tracks into Reaper. If I decide that I need additional tracks, I'll just go back into BiaB and generate some more.

From these tracks, I'll piece together the backing tracks. For example, I may decide I like a particular style on one section, or even insert holds on a measure-by-measure basis.

This workflow is especially helpful when creating a solo, because I can cut and paste parts from unrelated sections if I happen to like the figure, and re-pitch parts to make them fit. Extreme stretching is generally a bad thing, but it comes in handy on occasion. I've sliced parts down at the note level, and re-pitched them to make them work.

I'll typically do multiple takes for a vocal, and then slice-and-dice as necessary. This can involve moving and stretching backing vocals to align with the lead - especially when held notes don't quite go long enough.

The built-in Reatune pitch correction tool is great for fixing vocals - although it's always better to sing parts over again. It's also helpful for me to see where I'm scooping or simply singing the wrong note.

There's the general vocal clean up of removing noise, and reducing the volume on transients such as "P" and "S". Typically I'll slice the element to isolate it, and then adjust it (click the top of the track and drag down to scale the volume). This also works where the volume needs to come up - slice the element to isolate it, normalize that chunk, and then scale it down to fit.

Once everything has been cleaned up and normalized, I'll adjust the volume envelopes, turning down instruments under vocals, or in some cases removing them entirely in sections. Typically I'll create rather full backing tracks, and then aggressively turn down (or remove) tracks as much as possible on a section by section basis. I find it easier to create balance by removing than by adding.

I've skipped past EQ, effects and panning.

I don't think there's anything in Reaper that any other modern DAW doesn't have. For me, the workflow "works"... But a lot of people find doing it other ways makes just as much sense to them.

A lot of this stuff can be done in RealBand. But I like the level of editing that I can do in Reaper - I think it's a bit more detailed than RealBand provides.

Jeff S and D.Cuny, Many thanks for the detailed information. Really - much appreciated for taking the time.

Dan,

Thank you for the above tip. I had no idea it was possible to do this.

Regards,
Noel

Drag and drop a image file to an open track. Works like a charm.

Thanks Jeff and David for going into so much detail! Great tutorials actually.
Trev

Chords in Reaper, just save your BB song to video, drag into Reaper,
View > Video Window (Ctrl+Shift+V)

Music Student

Snipping tool?? I have Win 7, did a search in Win and came up with: (see snapshot). Is this what you meant? I use HyperSnap for all my images (JPEG), I was not able to paste into Reaper.

Thanks.

Added text: PS Drag and Drop (image) worked.

Solidrock, re: save your BB song to video

Thanks for the suggestion. Seemed like a good idea but ... didn't work .. the chord sheet never showed up in Reaper; just a blank green screen and all the tracks joined into one (expected).

Chords in Reaper, just save your BB song to video, drag into Reaper,
View > Video Window (Ctrl+Shift+V)



Use Format Factory to convert to MP4 H264

If you go to > Task > Options > Advanced > Add to Systrm Context Menu.
This will give you a right click menu for Format Factory.
* Skip the "Toolbar" Extras during Install.

Reaper will cut and paste the video also in editing so the bars in the video will follow.

To get a linear chord sheet flow in BB > Edit > Unfold

Drag the MP4 in Reaper and turn the Volume DOWN don't Mute !

Drag the individual Audio and/or midi tracks into Reaper.

Reaper > Options > Video/REX/Misc

To export Video from Reaper use ffmpeg dll's
Reaper Video FFmpeg

For others:
http://www.pgmusic.com/bbw2015newfeatures6.htm

Nice pictures.

Unfortunately, not near my DAW at this time so you have to trust me on this. Place any jpg file on your desktop then Drag and Drop onto a blank track in Reaper. Should work, and look nice.

Here's a Video of play in Reaper.

BB Video Reaper.mp4

BB Video Reaper.wmv

Solidrock: regarding video

Thanks very much for the links and images; really helps to explain.

Added text: wow just saw the Reaper/BIAB video; exactly what I want.
Again thanks.

Music Student:
re: on your desktop then Drag and Drop onto a blank track in Reaper.

Works -- thanks.

OK, that is cool!! The video that is...

Grateful to all who responded, learned a lot in the last 2 days.

One more time: thanks.