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Yes it's true, and its here in a few days. I understand it downloadsusing the Windows Update route if you have clicked yes to the upgrade icon. I think you will get a choice as to when to upgrade, but MS say no dual boot
"Can I dual boot the free upgrade of Windows 10 with my previous version of the operating system?
No. Upgrading to Windows 10 doesn't free up your previous license, so you cannot install your previous version on another machine or in a dual-boot configuration. The upgrade requires installing Windows 10 on top of a valid version of Windows 7 or Windows 8 installation to continue with the upgrade process.
This means you may be up the Swanney river, if your drivers don't work
Be careful...
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If indeed you wish to dual boot you would need to buy a new copy of Windows 10. I am lead to believe that yes you can download from Microsoft as a separately paid for file and then burn that as an ISO to disk or thumb drive. Microsoft are also seemingly trying to get away from buying on disk and are offering it as an ISO file on a thumb or flash drive. However, there is a long and complex way of rolling back from Windows 10 to your previous operating system if not happy with Windows 10. providing you do it within 30 days from installing Windows 10. I will also warn it is best to create a full backup of all your data before either upgrading to Windows 10, or rolling back to the previous system. more here :- https://techingiteasy.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/how-to-rollback-to-a-previous-version-of-windows-from-windows-10/
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Yes but this has been discussed before. You clone your current install then update. I guess if you then pull out your Win 10 drive because of problems you just can't live with and put back your Win 7 drive you might have an authentication problem but you can probably call MS, explain the issue and they will allow you to cancel 10 and reauthenticate 7.
Obviously I don't know this for a fact and I won't be the first to go for this. My last email from MS says we have a year to do it.
In my case I'm planning to upgrade my system anyway by putting in a 500 gig SSD or maybe bigger if I think I want to spend that much. The plan is to update to Win 10 on my current Win 7 system drive then clone that and transfer it to the SSD. I'll probably have to call MS but we'll see. I doubt that will be a problem because they have always allowed people to upgrade their hardware without having to buy a new license.
As for hardware drivers I agree that might be a problem but Pete said in the Gearslutz forum he's not seen that yet. I posted that link in the other thread. He's one of the main developers and has been using Cubase for years. His comment was Windows is pretty good with backwards compatibility but there are always exceptions. I can't spend your money for you but for me at least Win 10 is looking more and more like a real serious upgrade for home studios from 7 and 8 and if I wind up buying a new interface for a couple hundred bucks so be it.
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I see Nev was posting at the same time I wrote my answer. Good info there.
I think something to keep in mind is this freebie is for early adopters who are a bit more tech savvy than the average bear. Folks like us. We don't freak out and go onto social media and trash MS for little glitches here and there. They haven't actually said that but to me it's implied. They want us to do this and then tell all our friends about how great 10 is on forums such as this one.
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Bob, in your case I would put in the SSD with Win7, take the then old Win7 boot drive out with the still intact Win7, then upgrade the SSD to Win10 and see if everything is working. If not, just build your system back, reformat the SSD -- whatever this means -- and once more transfer Win7 to your SSD.
I don't think you have to re-authenticate the system, because you didn't actually change that original Win7 installation. AFAIK Microsoft does not keep track of who has what, they only check some registry files on your 'puter.
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I've thought about that too. I'm not such a pro that I know the best way. You're saying to clone my current Win 7 drive to the SSD then update that, correct? Makes sense because then I still have my original system drive.
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That is what I'm saying -- and is what I'm going to do in a couple of weeks.
From all what I've read about software and hardware lately: You buy an SSD. The SSD comes with a setup software to clone your boot partition onto the SSD. You replace your current boot disk with the SSD (like: in my laptop there is only one slot for a hard drive -- but this also applies to machines with more room.)
... and to be safe, remove the old disk from the computer after installing the SSD.
I will report after I have done it, but I will wait a couple of weeks until the majority of "Kinderkrankheiten" (growing pains?) are cured.
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Yes it's true, and its here in a few days. I understand it downloadsusing the Windows Update route if you have clicked yes to the upgrade icon. I think you will get a choice as to when to upgrade, but MS say no dual boot
"Can I dual boot the free upgrade of Windows 10 with my previous version of the operating system?
No. Upgrading to Windows 10 doesn't free up your previous license, so you cannot install your previous version on another machine or in a dual-boot configuration. The upgrade requires installing Windows 10 on top of a valid version of Windows 7 or Windows 8 installation to continue with the upgrade process.
This means you may be up the Swanney river, if your drivers don't work
Be careful...
Z There is a forum that has a lot of info about windows 10, www.tenforums.comWhile the above may be strictly true as regarding the licence for windows 10, what I know so far is that Microsoft will allow you to go back to windows 7 after you have installed windows 10 on the same computer, then it should be technically possible to dual boot your computer (Provided that you previously made an image of windows 7 and that you have windows 10 on a different partition, easy enough to do) after all you won't be using both OS at the same time, but the licence like a lot of things is fairly strict in that Microsoft only allows you to have one copy of windows installed on any computer. EasyBCD that I mentioned on another thread is a good free legit software utility that will set up your dual boot menu, google it. I will never do online banking on the same partition that I use for normal browsing as an extra security measure, so I have two installations of windows 7 installed, if I want to do online backing I restart the computer and use the other windows for that. Musiclover
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Not all SSD drives come with a free cloning or image making software, I bought a Crucial 512GB drive that came with nothing at all and had to be firstly initialised and then formatted. I then used Macrium Reflect free version to clone my original 500GB ordinary drive on to it. I have been using Macrium Reflect free version for quite some time and find it easy to use and does a good job every time.
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I'll wait for a few months before getting W10. Although MS has had a lot of beta testers in this release, there are bound to be more problems that need to be solved when it hits the real world. The cutting edge can be the bleeding edge. Then when I think it's time I will - Make a complete disk image of my W8.1 drive
- Run a SyncToy copy of all my data files, mailboxes, and anything else that might change often
- Re-run SyncToy every day
- Refrain from adding any new software until I am sure W10 is stable and causing no problems
I would guess (I'm not a tech) that if W10 didn't work out, I could revert to the old W8.1 image and restore my HD to the condition it was before the upgrade. After the 'go-back' I could then use the newer SyncToy data files to get any new data that has been added since the disk image. From a non-techie point of view, I think this is the safest way to go. If any people with more computer knowledge than I can see a flaw in that, or can suggest an improvement, please let me know. Insights and incites by Notes
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My plan is to, of course, back up all my data first (which I do regularly anyway). I have a few extra spare drives, so I will then clone my Windows 7 laptop (and my Windows 8.1 desktop) drive to another disk (because I'm anal that way, I also have a recent image of my drives which can be applied at any time. Then do the Windows 10 upgrade and see how things go. Once it seems stable, I'll take an image of Windows 10, just in case something else causes problems and I need to back up a little.
If I do need to revert to the previous version of Windows, it will just be a matter of swapping drives and I'm back in business.
I keep all my data on a separate drive, anyway, so it's not a big deal to swap out drives.
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Does everybody know that the solid state drives are finite? 50,000 writes from now you will have to replace it. Think about your RB sessions. Every time you save an edit, that is a write to the SSD. You will use those 50,000 writes faster than you think. I made a LOT of money on service calls for people with netbooks who suddenly couldn't boot because the SSD was expended.
Just asking because I see so many people are going to SSD. Just want you to be aware that in a couple of years it will fail due to life cycle expiration.
The PS here is that it ain't broke so I am not going to fix it. I never install an OS until it is at least one year old. Let other people deal with Micro$oft's growing pains.
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... and to be safe, remove the old disk from the computer after installing the SSD. You really only need to disconnect the data cable. There is no need to physically unscrew and remove it if there is any chance you are going to put it back in later.
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Yes, SSDs are finite, but so are regular drives. The new generation of Samsung's SSDs can stand a lot of rewrites, I probably won't write as much as they their drives to accept. They say 150 Tera Bytes Written within the warranty (for the 500 GB and 1 TB models).
In general I was talking about the boot drive to be replaced by an SSD, I wasn't referring to the work horse.
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Right, that's what our IT guy told me too. The new SSD's have the same life expectancy as a spinning HD. Things change fast in computer techland.
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Well the Samsung SSD I got has a five year warranty, if it does go bad on me within that period and I get a free replacement I'll be happy.
I have had two standard HDD go bad within three year period.
Windows was getting so slow at startup on standard drive, took a few mins to boot though most startup items disabled, Now a lot quicker with the SSD money well spent in my opinion.
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OK, lets just run you all through the Microsoft license business first.
Firstly, any ready made computer manufactured by any of the big names will usually have what is called an OEM license for the operating system on it. You could also as an individual buy an OEM license. However these are a little cheaper than a full license, they were created to be used by system builders, not really for the Joe Blogs such as us. Being cheaper an OEM license is not in any way transferable, so cannot be installed on another computer if the first one dies. The license dies with the computer. If however you were to buy a full retail license, and then your computer died, you can then install that operating system on to a new computer, providing of course that the old copy is removed from the old computer, or is not operational in any way. It is still one license for one computer. Up until now, that has always been the case right through from the very first Windows operating system. However, it would now seem that the OEM version will be no more with Windows 10. What exactly this will mean as far as transfer, dual booting, and other things is yet to be seen. However. going back to the previous operating systems, providing you buy the license for each operating system you intend to run, there is nothing to stop you from dual booting say Windows XP and Windows 8.1 if you have bought a license for each, even if one or both of them happens to be an OEM version. Considering these are still supported for at least critical updates, you could buy OEM licenses (Providing you can still find them on sale) For Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) Windows 8.1 and run them as multiple booting on one computer. Obviously the same would apply if you bought full retail licenses. You just have to bear in mind that if the licenses are OEM versions, they live and die with the computer they are on and cannot be transferred. The important thing is that the license conditions do not allow you to run the same copy on two different computers. There is a way, however you must then buy the multiple license, which of course costs even more, and is not normally available outside a business environment.
So, you now have for example a computer running Windows 7, or Windows 8.1, it does not matter whether it is an OEM license or a full retail license, and you then upgrade via the upgrade system to the new Windows 10. Microsoft state that the original license for the previous operating system is transferred to the new upgrade. If you kept a copy of the old Windows 7, or 8.1, it is no longer licensed, unless you go through the previously mentioned downgrade back to your old system, and therefore scrap the Windows 10 copy. You only have 30 days to do that as the old system will be automatically deleted after that time. That also means that any clone, system image, or other copy of the previous system will also be out of license after that 30 days, regardless of how you remove Windows 10. If however you do wish to dual boot or even multiple boot with Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and also once released Windows 10, you must still buy the license for each, you cannot for example upgrade the Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 and still run the old Windows 8.1, at least not without buying a Windows 10 license and installing that without removing the original Windows 8.1
I know it all sounds very complex, however that is the way Microsoft works, they are only trying to keep their copyrights managed and prevent piracy.
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OK, lets just run you all through the Microsoft license business first.
Firstly, any ready made computer manufactured by any of the big names will usually have what is called an OEM license for the operating system on it. You could also as an individual buy an OEM license. However these are a little cheaper than a full license, they were created to be used by system builders, not really for the Joe Blogs such as us. Being cheaper an OEM license is not in any way transferable, so cannot be installed on another computer if the first one dies. The license dies with the computer. If however you were to buy a full retail license, and then your computer died, you can then install that operating system on to a new computer, providing of course that the old copy is removed from the old computer, or is not operational in any way. It is still one license for one computer. Up until now, that has always been the case right through from the very first Windows operating system. However, it would now seem that the OEM version will be no more with Windows 10. What exactly this will mean as far as transfer, dual booting, and other things is yet to be seen. However. going back to the previous operating systems, providing you buy the license for each operating system you intend to run, there is nothing to stop you from dual booting say Windows XP and Windows 8.1 if you have bought a license for each, even if one or both of them happens to be an OEM version. Considering these are still supported for at least critical updates, you could buy OEM licenses (Providing you can still find them on sale) For Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) Windows 8.1 and run them as multiple booting on one computer. Obviously the same would apply if you bought full retail licenses. You just have to bear in mind that if the licenses are OEM versions, they live and die with the computer they are on and cannot be transferred. The important thing is that the license conditions do not allow you to run the same copy on two different computers. There is a way, however you must then buy the multiple license, which of course costs even more, and is not normally available outside a business environment.
So, you now have for example a computer running Windows 7, or Windows 8.1, it does not matter whether it is an OEM license or a full retail license, and you then upgrade via the upgrade system to the new Windows 10. Microsoft state that the original license for the previous operating system is transferred to the new upgrade. If you kept a copy of the old Windows 7, or 8.1, it is no longer licensed, unless you go through the previously mentioned downgrade back to your old system, and therefore scrap the Windows 10 copy. You only have 30 days to do that as the old system will be automatically deleted after that time. That also means that any clone, system image, or other copy of the previous system will also be out of license after that 30 days, regardless of how you remove Windows 10. If however you do wish to dual boot or even multiple boot with Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and also once released Windows 10, you must still buy the license for each, you cannot for example upgrade the Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 and still run the old Windows 8.1, at least not without buying a Windows 10 license and installing that without removing the original Windows 8.1
I know it all sounds very complex, however that is the way Microsoft works, they are only trying to keep their copyrights managed and prevent piracy. If the above is true, and I see no reason to disbelieve, this means that unless you revert within 30 days, there is no way to go back to WIn7 (clone drive or not) . This concerns me, because I loaded Win 8, disliked it, and then reverted to Win 7. I can see benefits to Win 10, and there is a lot to be said for keeping up to date, but Win 7 is a great operating system too. Is this correct? Z
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OK, lets just run you all through the Microsoft license business first.
Firstly, any ready made computer manufactured by any of the big names will usually have what is called an OEM license for the operating system on it. You could also as an individual buy an OEM license. However these are a little cheaper than a full license, they were created to be used by system builders, not really for the Joe Blogs such as us. Being cheaper an OEM license is not in any way transferable, so cannot be installed on another computer if the first one dies. The license dies with the computer. If however you were to buy a full retail license, and then your computer died, you can then install that operating system on to a new computer, providing of course that the old copy is removed from the old computer, or is not operational in any way. It is still one license for one computer. Up until now, that has always been the case right through from the very first Windows operating system. However, it would now seem that the OEM version will be no more with Windows 10. What exactly this will mean as far as transfer, dual booting, and other things is yet to be seen. However. going back to the previous operating systems, providing you buy the license for each operating system you intend to run, there is nothing to stop you from dual booting say Windows XP and Windows 8.1 if you have bought a license for each, even if one or both of them happens to be an OEM version. Considering these are still supported for at least critical updates, you could buy OEM licenses (Providing you can still find them on sale) For Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) Windows 8.1 and run them as multiple booting on one computer. Obviously the same would apply if you bought full retail licenses. You just have to bear in mind that if the licenses are OEM versions, they live and die with the computer they are on and cannot be transferred. The important thing is that the license conditions do not allow you to run the same copy on two different computers. There is a way, however you must then buy the multiple license, which of course costs even more, and is not normally available outside a business environment.
So, you now have for example a computer running Windows 7, or Windows 8.1, it does not matter whether it is an OEM license or a full retail license, and you then upgrade via the upgrade system to the new Windows 10. Microsoft state that the original license for the previous operating system is transferred to the new upgrade. If you kept a copy of the old Windows 7, or 8.1, it is no longer licensed, unless you go through the previously mentioned downgrade back to your old system, and therefore scrap the Windows 10 copy. You only have 30 days to do that as the old system will be automatically deleted after that time. That also means that any clone, system image, or other copy of the previous system will also be out of license after that 30 days, regardless of how you remove Windows 10. If however you do wish to dual boot or even multiple boot with Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and also once released Windows 10, you must still buy the license for each, you cannot for example upgrade the Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 and still run the old Windows 8.1, at least not without buying a Windows 10 license and installing that without removing the original Windows 8.1
I know it all sounds very complex, however that is the way Microsoft works, they are only trying to keep their copyrights managed and prevent piracy.
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OK, lets just run you all through the Microsoft license business first.
Firstly, any ready made computer manufactured by any of the big names will usually have what is called an OEM license for the operating system on it. You could also as an individual buy an OEM license. However these are a little cheaper than a full license, they were created to be used by system builders, not really for the Joe Blogs such as us. Being cheaper an OEM license is not in any way transferable, so cannot be installed on another computer if the first one dies. The license dies with the computer. If however you were to buy a full retail license, and then your computer died, you can then install that operating system on to a new computer, providing of course that the old copy is removed from the old computer, or is not operational in any way. It is still one license for one computer. Up until now, that has always been the case right through from the very first Windows operating system. However, it would now seem that the OEM version will be no more with Windows 10. What exactly this will mean as far as transfer, dual booting, and other things is yet to be seen. However. going back to the previous operating systems, providing you buy the license for each operating system you intend to run, there is nothing to stop you from dual booting say Windows XP and Windows 8.1 if you have bought a license for each, even if one or both of them happens to be an OEM version. Considering these are still supported for at least critical updates, you could buy OEM licenses (Providing you can still find them on sale) For Windows Vista (SP2), Windows 7 (SP1) Windows 8.1 and run them as multiple booting on one computer. Obviously the same would apply if you bought full retail licenses. You just have to bear in mind that if the licenses are OEM versions, they live and die with the computer they are on and cannot be transferred. The important thing is that the license conditions do not allow you to run the same copy on two different computers. There is a way, however you must then buy the multiple license, which of course costs even more, and is not normally available outside a business environment.
So, you now have for example a computer running Windows 7, or Windows 8.1, it does not matter whether it is an OEM license or a full retail license, and you then upgrade via the upgrade system to the new Windows 10. Microsoft state that the original license for the previous operating system is transferred to the new upgrade. If you kept a copy of the old Windows 7, or 8.1, it is no longer licensed, unless you go through the previously mentioned downgrade back to your old system, and therefore scrap the Windows 10 copy. You only have 30 days to do that as the old system will be automatically deleted after that time. That also means that any clone, system image, or other copy of the previous system will also be out of license after that 30 days, regardless of how you remove Windows 10. If however you do wish to dual boot or even multiple boot with Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and also once released Windows 10, you must still buy the license for each, you cannot for example upgrade the Windows 8.1 to Windows 10 and still run the old Windows 8.1, at least not without buying a Windows 10 license and installing that without removing the original Windows 8.1
I know it all sounds very complex, however that is the way Microsoft works, they are only trying to keep their copyrights managed and prevent piracy. If the above is true, and I see no reason to disbelieve, this means that unless you revert within 30 days, there is no way to go back to WIn7 (clone drive or not) . This concerns me, because I loaded Win 8, disliked it, and then reverted to Win 7. I can see benefits to Win 10, and there is a lot to be said for keeping up to date, but Win 7 is a great operating system too. Is this correct? Z What I understand is you only have 30 days to roll back FROM within windows 10 itself to an earlier version then the backup files get deleted. BUT that you can go back to a previous version such as windows 8 and 7 and they will be both be legit for example you had a an image of windows 7 that you wanted to use again instead of windows 10. www.tenforums.com Musiclover
Last edited by musiclover; 07/28/15 12:06 AM.
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