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Herb,
Sounds like you may need to run the Audio/MIDI latency adjust once in RB on that machne ..
I don't use the lappy now for music. When I did, and if I used my Focusrite interface, there was no latency issues. It was only when I used the MME driver that I had issues.
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I use a Beheringer UCA202 on my computer, and I'm pretty happy with it. I've had to fiddle with it to get things to work in Reaper when working with real-time monitoring, but for playback it works just fine.
I've also got one hooked up to a little netbook that I user to run my EWI from. The UCA202 seems to play well with older hardware.
I've also used it with an old laptop to interface to my HD-1. I'd tried interfacing it to a number of devices (such as the M-Track Plus) to run the MIDI to USB and realtime audio, but nothing would work - I kept getting nasty audio glitches from the buffers.
I finally got it to work by using the M-Track for the MIDI, but the UCA202 for the audio out. Worked like a charm.
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I still say you get what you pay for.
Size alone says you're getting more for the cost with the full sized interfaces vs the subcompacts..... and the small gizmo's don't have external controls, meters, or phantom power with low Z inputs among the other options on the full sized ones.
You should not have to use 2 interfaces or sound cards to record and playback properly. One card/interface should do the job. Problems with timing sync can and do occur with 2 cards. That's a whole other direction for a discussion. The goal is to have one interface doing the job properly.
Referring to the subcompact cards......However, give it a try.... the worst that could happen is that it doesn't work as you would need it to, and you return it for a refund.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I still say you get what you pay for.
Size alone says you're getting more for the cost with the full sized interfaces vs the subcompacts..... and the small gizmo's don't have external controls, meters, or phantom power with low Z inputs among the other options on the full sized ones.
You should not have to use 2 interfaces or sound cards to record and playback properly. One card/interface should do the job. Problems with timing sync can and do occur with 2 cards. That's a whole other direction for a discussion. The goal is to have one interface doing the job properly.
Referring to the subcompact cards......However, give it a try.... the worst that could happen is that it doesn't work as you would need it to, and you return it for a refund. Herb's right. At a minimum, I think it's best to get to get the best signal path you can afford. There is enough audible difference between the lowest cost unit to the units near the $100 cost to spring for the higher priced unit. Low cost USB mixers such as the Behringer Xenyx Q802USB model is the point in these lower cost USB mixers that begin to offer external features that are valuable to the home studio musician. Built in EQ, and compression don't require any CPU power and have zero latency. Aux send provides the ability to add additional external hardware effects without using any CPU power. There are enough line in's that multiple devices such as a keyboard or Voicelive can be attached and quickly rerouted. In my opinion, these mixers will generate about the same white noise level as the low cost interfaces such as m-audio, Presonus and Focusrite. Even if the unit is is limited to 44.1/16 digital conversion, the quality of the preamp's and associated circuitry will yield a better digital signal due to the higher quality audio signal.
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Still comes back to one semantic concept though guys. Every post here includes the the "interface". When we define "interface". we say "a piece of hardware that creates a connection between one function and another".
The original post was about how to render. The rendering process all takes place inside the computer. It happens in the RAM, where programs execute, and outputs to the hard drive for storage. Nowhere in that sentence is there any access to the sound amplification and output functions of this signal chain. You should be able to render with NO soundcard or interface once you have input your chord chart and picked your style. Remember, when you generate a real track, you don't hear it while it is being generated. Only after. Thus the generation of the track is not at all reliant on sound hardware to make the sound of the track come out of the speakers for your review.
All that said, I will ALWAYS advise, having been a nerd for so long, to get the best quality you can afford. I understand budgets. I am retired too. I have a fixed income too. But.... when I want something that is going to make my sound quality better, I will cut a corner and find the money to spend $100 or so for good sound. That's $3.33 a day. What is $3.33 these days? One beer? A fast food meal? A gallon and a half of gas?
I still have not really heard an accurate account of the issue that started this conversation. I remember rharv commenting about using BIAB 2006 but I came into the mix in 2009, so that is lost on me.
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Yes , all said and done it should work fine with the current AC97. I could try BB2006 in XP under VitualBox as it has AC97 option but I'm sure it would work fine with the current card else you go buy a knew card and have the same problem.
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Just remembered I had an old laptop with XP, tried BB2006 on it,
soloed the track with Ctrl+click
Audio menu > Render Midi to Stereo wav > DXI Direct Render (save to WAV file)
and it rendered fine.
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We should be able to get rendering to work without needing to buy additional hardware.  If the original poster gives our tech support line a call between 10AM and 5PM Pacific Standard time, we'll be happy to help. 1-866-983-2474 We'll go over all the settings, but I'm guessing the Roland VSC just isn't enabled. Thanks Kent PG Music
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Hey Kent, you guys should use Teamviewer, I use to spend hours on the phone helping others until I used Teamviewer !
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The original post was about how to render. The rendering process all takes place inside the computer. It happens in the RAM, where programs execute, and outputs to the hard drive for storage. The interface is MORE than just a door or gateway into the computer. A good interface will make a world of difference and a crappy one will be a huge stumbling block to the fastest computer. If all the interface did was pass date through to the computer after converting the audio to digital, any interface would work as well as the next one. But that is not the case. The interface/soundcard actually does a huge amount of processing before the digital data goes elsewhere in the computer.... such as to the DAW software. The same thing applies to out-going data. Why else would you spend $300 or more on an interface when $30 should theoretically, get the same exact results? It's because the processing that goes on in that more expensive unit is worth the cost. As a test.... unplug and remove ALL of your sound cards or for (MOBO) built in cards, go into the hardware manager and disable the built in sound card..... then attempt to render a track. See what happens. When you're finished trying, or if you succeed.... Reboot the computer or go back to hardware manager and enable the sound card afterward. If you can render a track in this manner, I will stand corrected, but I do not think it will work without a sound card being present and active in the computer.
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The interface is MORE than just a door or gateway into the computer. A good interface will make a world of difference and a crappy one will be a huge stumbling block to the fastest computer. If all the interface did was pass date through to the computer after converting the audio to digital, any interface would work as well as the next one. But that is not the case. The interface/soundcard actually does a huge amount of processing before the digital data goes elsewhere in the computer.... such as to the DAW software. The same thing applies to out-going data. True in every way Herb, but it is NOT critical to rendering, and that is his concern. Rendering is just math and bytes, not actual sound. After it is rendered, then it becomes sound. You literally can render with NO sound hardware. You just can't listen to what you rendered. A blind guy can paint. He just can't see his work. A deaf computer can render. It just can't "hear". (Though it worked out okay for Beethoven...)
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Focusrite 212/214 are pretty wicked interfaces...
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One other thing about the OP's request. He has a HP Pavilion PC. From past bad experience, I found out it's a very bad idea to try to expand one of these. The power supply is the bare minimum to run the PC they provide. There were also no places in mine to add an additional hard drive, no additional unused power cables, this kind of thing. An external sound card by USB is a good solution.
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