Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Well said. This request, both parts, has been made several times before and some of us have indicated support.

We users do not know how the thousands of RealTracks and RealDrums were recorded. We also do not know what program modifications might be needed for BIAB to read files of higher bit and/or sample rates. The size of the USB drive would have to be larger than the present 1.5 TB drive.

The dry tracks probably exist, in CD quality, though it depends if reverb was applied during recording. I think that would be unlikely since some dry tracks are already supplied with BIAB.

It would be nice to have these options if it's possible.


Hi Matt,
You make some interesting points and its encouraging to hear other users would be interested . If PG can see a market they will surely act to fill that void.


Re; The 1.5 TB Drive : ..., I also see that compulsory drive as a shortfall in itself .

That Included Hard Drive (that ships with BIAB Audiophile Edition)
..., Sure its good to have have it for those who want it - but it should be an option IMO

.., for me personally

- I see that PG provided drive only option as an expensive white elephant that makes the purchase price of BIAB more expensive than it needs to be .
(in my case $400 more expensive as I'd also need to pay international shipping + import taxes on the full BIAB price incl shipping costs - once that shipped BIAB hard drive enters my country mad .., then there is the unwanted cost of the drive itself )

IMO - A downloadable OPTION should be made available !
(other companies easily manage this by breaking down their large download into numerous , smaller more manageable sized download 'chunks' (eg: Zip files of 1 - 10 GB each in size) where the download picks up where it left of incase your internet connection gets interrupted during the download

Advantages in Downloading BIAB Audiophile would be this :

- The Buyer - would save on the expensive freight ..., (there is no freight cost when it is a download)
- The Buyer - (international) wouldn't have to pay import duty on the product ..., (if it was downloadable)
- The Buyer - would save money by not having to buy the hard drive from PG in the first place
- The Buyer - may not need (or want) the PG, hard drive ..., (I prefer storing Samples & V.I libraries on separate SSD's, or on PCiE's for faster loading)

The Physical Hard Drive included with BIAB unnecessarily adds to making BIAB more expensive than it needs to be.
Please PG - to make your product even more attractive to buyers (by lowering your purchase price to include a downloadable version) surely this would increase your sales also .., Please make this alternative option available wink




RE; PG & those 24 bit files ..,

I presume there has to be 24 bit Audio files stored safety away within the 'PG' data vaults,

..., as I have never heard of anyone choosing undertake a serious studio recording session by setting up their project with a sample rate and bit setting of less than 44.1kHz and 24 bit
(ie; at least within the last 15 years or so wink )

..., Now that Hard Drive storage space is getting cheaper, many are now choosing to record at at 96kHz , and up to 194kHz.

As for sound sample libraries Go ..., 44.1kHz x 24 bit samples have been the accepted industry standard for many years now , well before the introduction of BIAB .

16 bit BIAB files are truly fine on their own living within the APP known as BIAB (fidelity wise) .., just the same as your CD's at home are also that same 16 bit.., but it is when we export these 16 files into a DAW to endure the further processing - is where that originating 16 bit file starts to suffer.


As no doubtably we are opening our new DAW projects these days at a 'minimum' selected audio quality of 44.1kHz , and 24 bit ...., we proceed to import those 16 bit BIAB files into our DAW project . The very first thing that happens to those 16 bit BIAB files upon importing them to our DAW project is they are 'UP Converted' to 24 bit to conform with our chosen project setting . This does not increase the fidelity of that originating 16 bit file , this conversion does the opposite.

Next we time stretch it,
- add FX (where possible - but these possibilities very limited , or even disabling - due to those files already have FX printed on them )
- mix and mash
- often slight compression is also added on the master buss (to glue the mix)
- Next .., the mix is either Dithered and bounced down to a 16 bit stereo mix ready for print on a CD ,
- Or ..., handed off to a Mastering engineer who does further processing , then dithers and converts the stereo mix to 16 bit.

For the folk who just use BIAB and stay in BIAB .., then the 16 bit files do not pose an issue for you guys
.., but for those who exported those BIAB files out to their DAWs for further mixing and processing then it does effect your final mixes.

.., If you were to then listen to that originating 16 bit BIAB sample after all that mashing in those steps listed above
Hypothetically .. it would be comparable to a comparison of quality between your favorite purchased CD it's the MP3 version.

Please Note Guys:
My reasons for this thread is not to highlight the short comings (ie; limitations) of BIAB in a bagging out or disrespectful manner, but merely to highlight what could easily be possible - with the hopes of seeing BIAB move towards being a more professional and even better product than it already is cool



Last edited by SFG; 10/11/16 12:44 AM.
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