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Obviously there's a good reason - I just don't know it and I'm curious.
When I record vocals I choose mono as the balanced lead is a mono input. What criterion applies to RealTracks?
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It's probably instrument dependent. Is there a need to have a single guitar recorded in stereo? But perhaps vocals or ensembles.
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Hi Bob, Here's my take on it... If two mics are used to record a single instrument, then the sound would need stereo playback to re-create the input from two mics since each mic will pick up up different sound characteristics. Instruments such as organ and electric/electronic pianos usually have stereo output. This better reproduces the spread of sound that is emitted from these instruments. For example, on a piano the bass notes are heard to the left of the pianist while the treble notes are heard to the right. If an instrument only uses a single mic for recording, then it is mono because there is only one signal. Even if this single input is recorded in stereo, it's not true stereo because both channels will be identical. Regards, Noel
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Most of the tracks that are stereo are from instruments that are in fact stereo.... I notice that the B3 organ, pianos and drums tend to be stereo. At least I think the drums are sometimes in stereo.
I don't recall seeing many stereo guitar tracks or sax tracks or bass tracks. It's possible to have stereo on guitar because sometimes the amp is a stereo amp with a stereo chorus or on an acoustic guitar where the body is miked and so is the fretboard.
It's really not something I think much about when I add RB tracks.
And yes, vocals should almost always be mono.
Most DAWs will let you convert stereo to mono.
When mixing, you should take the status of the track into account. It's stereo for a reason and usually that means it was intended to be placed in the center of the mix. You don't "have" to place it there but the stereo effect is maximized when it is placed center rather than panned off center. However, I have placed stereo tracks off center intentionally and usually have another track..... mono or stereo placed on the opposite side, the same amount, for sonic balance.
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I'm resurrecting this thread, but it comes closes to a question I'm wondering about. I'm finding there are quite a few acoustic guitar stereo RealTracks, and also working with some fiddle tracks - for example 1446, Gypsy Jazz Latin fiddle. I'm trying to understand more about what might have been recorded/captured there. If a guitar had two mics - on in front and one in back, doesn't seem you would want that "translated" to right-left. I would think it would be more a case of having two separate mono tracks that could be balanced and EQ'd independently. But I'm a bit out of my element, so just curious if there are any thoughts or experiences related to these type tracks. (It does make sense for keyboards to have a wider image - usually from low note to high note depending I think.)
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.. If a guitar had two mics - on in front and one in back, doesn't seem you would want that "translated" to right-left. I would think it would be more a case of having two separate mono tracks that could be balanced and EQ'd independently. But I'm a bit out of my element, .. This is a good question in my opinion. If you could separate the left/right, pan as desired, EQ and apply FX as desired; YES, it would be better. But RTs are created for BiaB generation which does not yet allow these options (to my knowledge) so they have to make the best call on the best solution for most users. Using two of your BiaB tracks for a guitar, two more for drums, two more for keys .. you would start getting slim on tracks pretty quick. I do like your question, because I have a hard time explaining to others sometimes that, in some situations, it is better to split a stereo track to two MONO tracks once you get to the 'mix' stage. Much different/better control.
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This came up for me specifically in relation to a gypsy jazz arrangement, where there are two guitars and two violins - with fairly hard panning. The guitars are mono, so no big deal. But was trying to hear/understand if I'm losing something by panning the stereo violin tracks hard right or left. Multi-mic recording makes sense for capturing complex instruments like a violin. I did some googling about stereo recording methods, and this article covers some techniques. The one that makes the most sense for a violin seems to be the mid/side technique. I'm doing my final mixes and audio recording in my DAW, so don't need BiaB to handle the stereo-to-mono aspect. But it would be interesting to have some "recording notes" about particular acoustic RealTracks that might help in determining how to split/process the tracks to maximize the recording technique. https://ehomerecordingstudio.com/stereo-microphone-techniques/
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Bob, I think you've asked a really interesting question.
Sometimes it depends on the instrument, sometimes the recording engineer, sometimes the recording environment and it can also depend on requirements set by the client paying for the recording. Some examples are given below.
An acoustic guitar is sometimes recorded mono and sometimes stereo. If the musician is strumming and does not want much plectrum sound, a single microphone pointing toward the neck may work better. On the other hand if the musician alternates between strumming and finger picking two microphones may be set up with one pointing toward the neck and another toward the body to better pick up all the frequencies and hand sounds.
Most electric guitars have a mono output but Rickenbacker and some Gibson guitars have stereo outputs. Some musicians modify guitars from mono to stereo outputs. Stereo outputs can make recording easier and give more choices during the mix down.
Someone recording an acoustic guitar in a dormitory likely will have one microphone set close to the guitar so the playing doesn't have to be too loud.
A horn player may have one microphone mounted straight to the instrument bell but a second microphone may be set up to record room ambiance.
Last, a client paying for a session to collect audio for use in creating loops may specify the audio must be delivered at 24 bit depth, 96kHz sample rate, lossless stereo audio files.
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Here's some insight into my recording process, which might give you an idea on why we choose RT's to be stereo or mono:
For me, everything starts with drums. My typical recording setup for a drum set is a mic on the kick drum, a mic on the snare, and a pair of stereo overheads. Depending on the band or genre I might add mics on individual drums or cymbals, but often they're not necessary. Overheads are panned so that the kick comes out dead centre, then I pan the snare mic so that it matches the placement of the snare in the overheads (which is typically centered with the way I set up overheads). If I have more mics than the main 4 then I'll do the same process of panning them as with the snare - the idea being to use the natural imaging of the overhead mics and use any spot mics to enhance the overheads.
But then again, a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic, with only a few exceptions. Trumpet, guitar, vocals, bass? One mic each.
More than one mic does not necessarily add to the sonic experience of that instrument - and often adds issues with things like phase, track count, EQ, and making an instrument "fit" in the context of a band mix. Typically, it's best to record most instruments in mono then pan them appropriately to give them space in the mix. Exceptions of course - if I have a horn section, that'll be panned in stereo, or if I'm recording rock guitars I'll typically double track them (record the performance twice, then pan one left and one right)
Larger instruments get special treatment, like a piano - it does add to the sonic experience to record the piano in stereo, as long as that piano is the focus of part of the music. Same with a Hammond organ - stereo mics on the Leslie tend to sound incredible, and are worth doing even if it's a background instrument. That said, if those instruments are not the lead instrument of the song, and there's a lot going on in the mix, then it's better to mix those instruments down to mono, otherwise they'll start stepping on the toes of other more important instruments.
Basically the bottom line is - if you're recording an instrument that needs to fill some space in the mix, record in stereo - although, if it's a single small instrument, you might not get much stereo out of it, in which case you'll have to create some stereo with an effect of some sort - reverb, chorus, etc...
Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general. In RT's, generally drum sets, pianos, organs, and the like will always be stereo, and bass, fiddle, wind, and such instruments will be mono, but there are always exceptions.
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...Most electric guitars have a mono output but Rickenbacker and some Gibson guitars have stereo outputs. Some musicians modify guitars from mono to stereo outputs. Stereo outputs can make recording easier and give more choices during the mix down.
.... I was going to say, but Jim said it, I did that years ago with a guitar and put a stereo jack in it to give both pickups in the recording, I didn't know they did that.
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some of the Gibson ES models had 'stereo' output so the pickups - lead and rhythm - could be fed to different amps set to different tone and volume settings in the days before twin channel amps.
the Gibson lead or rhythm pick up selection with different volume and tone controls for each also make switching sounds a doddle - just flick a switch. not as easy to do on a fender strat where all pickups go through one volume control although the lead pickup bypasses the tone controls.
closest fender got to that is the two separate circuits on the jaguar and jazzmaster which is much more complicated than one toggle switch.
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In both of these guitar pickup examples, it seems that if used for recording, you would want each output tracked to a separate mono track, versus stereo. I think my examples of acoustic guitars and violin/fiddle recordings match this scenario - with 2 or more mics placed for recording added tonality, rather than for creating a right/left image.
If I get some free time and enough curiosity I might play with the stereo fiddle track a bit more with this in mind, and split it to two mono tracks in Cakewalk.
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Two things and two responses If a guitar had two mics - on in front and one in back,
I've stereo mic'd a few acoustics and I never thought of putting a mic behind the guitar. All you're going to get back there is the low end and boominess and that's what generally gets EQ'd out. The mic positions are generally going to be on the front and those positions are many. Body sound hole, and neck being the most common stereo placement. a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic.........Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general. Simon, I'm glad you recognize that... Now..... I, and many others here would love to see PG take the same view and give us the ability to have individual drum tracks so the drums can be fine tuned a bit. Maybe push that idea in some of the staff meetings as a new feature for future drums.... heck, you don't have to go back and redo everything.... just start offering say.... a couple dozen "expanded drum tracks" in the 2022 version.
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a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic.........Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general. Simon, I'm glad you recognize that... Now..... I, and many others here would love to see PG take the same view and give us the ability to have individual drum tracks so the drums can be fine tuned a bit. Maybe push that idea in some of the staff meetings as a new feature for future drums.... heck, you don't have to go back and redo everything.... just start offering say.... a couple dozen "expanded drum tracks" in the 2022 version. I agree, I'd love to see individual stems for drums in a future version of BB. The issue is in storage and track count - with the Audiophile edition, we're already at 74gb of drums for BB. Assuming a minimum of 4 mics for drums (kick/snare/overheads) we would double that to ~150gb - that's doable. The kind of people who would want to tweak drum mixes might want a mic on every single piece of the kit, so then we're talking a minimum of 8 mics for a 5-piece drum kit with 2 cymbals and hi-hats, and 296gb of space - add in stereo overheads and stereo room mics and we're at a dozen mics and 444gb of space. Add in top and bottom mics for toms and snare, in and out mics for kick, and we're at 17 mics now, which would be 629gb of drums alone, and we haven't even expanded past the typical 5-piece rock drum kit into the prog-rock Neil Peart/Mike Portnoy/Bobby Jarzombek kind of world - now we're talking a couple terabytes of drums (which would be awesome, but still). And we're still not even jumping into higher bit depth or sample rate, which is another feature request I often see whenever anyone brings up separate drum stems. I understand most of those particular configurations would be going maybe a little "beyond" what most would want, but it's worth considering. How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"? I'd personally be cool with the 12-track setup I mentioned above, as that's my usual go-to when I need more than the Glyn Johns setup. Track count would need to increase too - we already have the utility tracks, so that probably wouldn't be much of an issue to add more, but still - we have a total of 24 tracks with all the original BB tracks and the 16 utility tracks. Perhaps our brilliant programmers could add a submixer on the drums channel, hard to say though. Regardless, I'm personally 110% for the idea, it just will require a solid implementation.
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Perhaps a midi implementation?
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Perhaps a midi implementation? It's already possible to export a MIDI transcript of a Realdrums track, and in BB 2021 we added in transcripts of all the Realdrum tracks. Basically, if you export a MIDI file from BB you should get a MIDI version of the drums, as long as your MIDI File options are set to the defaults. With Realtracks (non-drum) there is often a MIDI transcript, but not for every Realtrack - probably around 85% of them give or take, if I'm looking at things correctly.
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Let alone many users envision this as an audio utopia, where EQing the ride has no effect on the Tom, or EQing the snare or bass drum has no effect on the other .. thenthrow in hihat <grin> If you don't think a typical hihat mic affects the snare and vice versa, well .. they normally sit pretty close together and would be really hard to isolate. To get exclusive drum control you would need to use MIDI .. cause when you record drums, bleed happens. You are going to hear the snare and BD on every mic .. it just happens. So you EQ the snare, and now the snare that is coming through the crash mic has changed .. and then if you you throw some reverb/gate onto them, things can compound and get all haywire real fast  Suddenly the hihat is louder only while the snare gate is open .. Drums ain't easy, and PGMusic does a pretty dang good job on them for the purpose right now. To answer Simon's question up a few posts How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"? The above shows why that is really a case by case scenario .. but if I had to pick a number I'd say 8 (just from experience) snare hihat BD snap BD boom overhead for cymbals/toms (panned) overhead2 for cymbals/toms (panned) ride bell center that would be my preference on a basic kit
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a drum set is not one large instrument, it's a collection of smaller instruments put together, so if you use that logic then each individual instrument only needs one mic.........Keep in mind when reading the above that I'm not the person who records, edits, or mixes our Realtracks (yet), I'm just going from my years of experience with recording in general. Simon, I'm glad you recognize that... Now..... I, and many others here would love to see PG take the same view and give us the ability to have individual drum tracks so the drums can be fine tuned a bit. Maybe push that idea in some of the staff meetings as a new feature for future drums.... heck, you don't have to go back and redo everything.... just start offering say.... a couple dozen "expanded drum tracks" in the 2022 version. I agree, I'd love to see individual stems for drums in a future version of BB. The issue is in storage and track count - with the Audiophile edition, we're already at 74gb of drums for BB. Assuming a minimum of 4 mics for drums (kick/snare/overheads) we would double that to ~150gb - that's doable. The kind of people who would want to tweak drum mixes might want a mic on every single piece of the kit, so then we're talking a minimum of 8 mics for a 5-piece drum kit with 2 cymbals and hi-hats, and 296gb of space - add in stereo overheads and stereo room mics and we're at a dozen mics and 444gb of space. Add in top and bottom mics for toms and snare, in and out mics for kick, and we're at 17 mics now, which would be 629gb of drums alone, and we haven't even expanded past the typical 5-piece rock drum kit into the prog-rock Neil Peart/Mike Portnoy/Bobby Jarzombek kind of world - now we're talking a couple terabytes of drums (which would be awesome, but still). And we're still not even jumping into higher bit depth or sample rate, which is another feature request I often see whenever anyone brings up separate drum stems. I understand most of those particular configurations would be going maybe a little "beyond" what most would want, but it's worth considering. How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"? I'd personally be cool with the 12-track setup I mentioned above, as that's my usual go-to when I need more than the Glyn Johns setup. Track count would need to increase too - we already have the utility tracks, so that probably wouldn't be much of an issue to add more, but still - we have a total of 24 tracks with all the original BB tracks and the 16 utility tracks. Perhaps our brilliant programmers could add a submixer on the drums channel, hard to say though. Regardless, I'm personally 110% for the idea, it just will require a solid implementation. This is JMO, but I'd be thrilled if we could just get stems on the kick and snare. Those are the two things I'd really love to have more control over in mixing. I recognize this isn't optimal for those who would like to really fine tune the drums, but for the most party (again IMO) the drums sounds pretty solid in BIAB, and just having those two would be a big improvement.
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Let alone many users envision this as an audio utopia, where EQing the ride has no effect on the Tom, or EQing the snare or bass drum has no effect on the other .. thenthrow in hihat <grin> If you don't think a typical hihat mic affects the snare and vice versa, well .. they normally sit pretty close together and would be really hard to isolate. To get exclusive drum control you would need to use MIDI .. cause when you record drums, bleed happens. You are going to hear the snare and BD on every mic .. it just happens. So you EQ the snare, and now the snare that is coming through the crash mic has changed .. and then if you you throw some reverb/gate onto them, things can compound and get all haywire real fast Suddenly the hihat is louder only while the snare gate is open .. Drums ain't easy, and PGMusic does a pretty dang good job on them for the purpose right now. To answer Simon's question up a few posts How many mics would you want on an "expanded drum track"? The above shows why that is really a case by case scenario .. but if I had to pick a number I'd say 8 (just from experience) snare hihat BD snap BD boom overhead for cymbals/toms (panned) overhead2 for cymbals/toms (panned) ride bell center that would be my preference on a basic kit Especially since a typical hi-hat mic is a condenser which will pick up TONS of bleed. My personal favourite mic for hi-hat is my Sennheiser ME64, which is a short shotgun mic. Or an SM57 of course - heck, I'll use 57's on literally everything if I have enough. I tend to prefer my dynamic mics over condenser half the time anyway, and not just on drums. This is JMO, but I'd be thrilled if we could just get stems on the kick and snare. Those are the two things I'd really love to have more control over in mixing.
I recognize this isn't optimal for those who would like to really fine tune the drums, but for the most party (again IMO) the drums sounds pretty solid in BIAB, and just having those two would be a big improvement. Yeah, that would probably be enough for most people who want to tweak.
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Our drum recording setup for mics includes as many SM-57s as practical as well. 1 on snare (close) 1 on HH (close) 1 by the kick pedal (to get the Snap) A couple 58s as overheads .. and my special $38 dollar Audio-Technica I picked up in a pinch one night when we were short a live vocal mic 20 years ago, and discovered the thing was not that grwat for vocals, but was a nice Ride cymbal mic .. and man is it great at that; grabs every nuance and clear as can be The final trick we use is to place a reverse wired subwoofer in front of the hole in the bass drum, about 14-16" away .. it picks up the 'boom' quite nicely, and a decent preamp gives it enough oomph We wired the two wires connected to the speaker cone directly to the (now) output wire via XLR cable. Works a treat We have to scoot the BD track a few ticks toward the beginning of the song after recording (or it seems to lag just a touch) but the end result is pretty cool. We could probably compensate for some of the lag by moving it closer, but we want to let the waveform develop before it gets to the mic/speaker. If you are still reading, you are truly a recording geek
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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