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HI ALL
Problems with some muffled voices in Sforzando from imported SF2 sound font.
I am very fond of the Timbres of Heaven sound font and use it in the Coolsoft Virtual synth no prob all voices are good.
However the coolsoft gets installed as a device so can’t be used for direct rendering.
So the answer is as I want to direct render it. I have imported it into the Sforzando vst
This works well for many of my sound fonts.
However when using Timbres of Heaven which is sf2, I import and the Aria converter in the Sforzando import, converts it to SFZ
All is well but the first 2 voices 000 Concert grand, 001 Bright grand are dull low volume and muffled. Voice 3 002 Electric grand is fine. But voice 4 003 honkytonk is the same as the first 2, muffled etc . After that all other voices in the font are fine and sound great.
I know similar voices in sound fonts share elements so maybe that is a clue with these 3 pianos. But the font is good in coolsoft before conversion .
I have also looked at it in the Viena sound font editor and all seems well and all voices play normally on the virtual keyboard or via my controller.
So my suspicion is in the conversion process.
Wondered if you guys had experienced anything like this I think Trevor is a Timbres of Heaven fan.
All your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
Mike
BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/
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My experience has been that soundfonts don't play exactly write in Sforzando (specifically, long held notes don't...hold that is).
I would recommend installing SynthfontVST, load Timbres of Heaven there, and you should be able to render directly from both BIAB and RealBand. It should sound the same in Synthfont as it does in Coolsoft.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
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Hi John
Thanks very much I tried that downloaded and installed the new version 3
32 bit version,
Yes it certainly can load my Timbres of heaven sound font. So I guess that points to a
quirk in Sforzando .
only a 15 day trial but only 15 Euros any way.
However if I try to use it as the default VST in BIAB it does not load the drum sounds from the midi style and all drums sound as piano,
I suspect this is because the drums in the style are on track 2 ch10
But the vst thinks track 2 goes to channel 2 cant see a way to change this,
Thanks for your interest
Mike
BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/
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However if I try to use it as the default VST in BIAB it does not load the drum sounds from the midi style and all drums sound as piano, I just loaded Synthfont as my default synth using the Reality 32MB soundfont (my go to) and all tracks played pretty much the same as when I used the TTS-1 synth, including the drum track. Maybe give a little more information and we can help troubleshoot it.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
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My experience has been that soundfonts don't play exactly write in Sforzando (specifically, long held notes don't...hold that is).
I would recommend installing SynthfontVST, load Timbres of Heaven there, and you should be able to render directly from both BIAB and RealBand. It should sound the same in Synthfont as it does in Coolsoft.
The is a sForzando update, Pflogue website -F
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Hi John
Thanks again for your thoughts.
Well I downloaded the Reality sound font that you seem fond of.
Had a bit of prob as it came as a compressed .sfark file but found an online cloud converter that to convert to SF2
Quite a good sounding find that sound font.
As for the Vst synth font plug in I managed to get it to play the drums from a BIAB style by choosing percussion . standard kit on ch 10 of the main screen that comes up when you select it as your Vst it remembers this once done on closing Biab
Bit odd that it cant follow the Biab style setting?
Because if you open a standard multi channel midi file to the melody track (which of course disables the style to play the midi) the vst follows all voices including its ch 10 drums with out having to do the above. However the cont in that come before the midi plays uses the piano!
Tis wonderful the works of a wheelbarrow.
Mike
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It's also possible that the drum kit the style wants to use actually isn't in the soundfont file, which would result in nothing played. Seeing back to the standard kit brought the drums back.
Just a thought.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
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I tried out sForzando, latest version, with the Heaven GM fonts; couldn't get it to work properly. Same with Sampletank, and the Omnisynth GM set, bought versions. Too much hassles to get going.
XGlite works quite well, though you'll need the installation PAT file from Mike to adress the sounds via BIABs dropdown track menus. Best alternative IMO is the free Halion Sonic SE 3, or the older Hypersonic2 from Steinberg. (The latter is licensed, alas not available anymore, but as it's outdated as such one might consider an illegal version LoL or buy it on eBay) - F
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