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In the cakewalk forums, when they were up and running..... BB was looked down upon by many. I know I caught some grief from the "real musicians" in those forums for my use of BB. Others there were more accepting.
But yep, got to agree, even today, many musicians don't know what BB really has to offer.
I post my music, reply to comments and gladly tell folks who ask, who is playing on my tracks.
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Well, the marketing department could do better. This is a graph showing "interest over time" (meaning how many have searched for Band in a Box) compared with FL Studio, Cakewalk and Cubase. Unfortunately google only have data from 2004 and forward, but it is still interesting: Google trends Will
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Extremely interesting results, Will. Thank you.
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Mike, I was impressed back in 2006, and blown away today. Actually, a "Band in a Box" was EXACTLY what I was looking for, so it was aptly named in my case.
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One thing I've noticed are some of the self-made "Demos" people have done on their own for YouTube are not particularly good word-of-mouth advertising. Some of them are so poorly made it's embarrassing. I know their intentions are good and they think the can rustle up some more users. But the comments left by listeners/viewers for those "Demo" videos are largely unflattering. I do think that has at least a minor influence on the fabulous software's lack of appeal to those who've never used it or, to their knowledge, heard it. That's unfortunate.
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Alan, your comments are worthy of serious consideration.
A massive amount of genuine, good intentioned - albeit with less than pristine delivery and adequate professional delivery mechanisms - can give the viewer the impression that the product itself delivers less than what could be achieved.
People need to explore the product's abilities and the user's delivery as two separate deliverables.
Your points are well noted.
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An easy way to dispel many of the common misconceptions and myths about BIAB out in the music world would be for PGMusic to make a presence in the huge YouTube Home Recording Tutorial market. A whole lot of forum members and I'm sure BIAB users that are not active forum members daily spend time building their mixing and producing skills on sites with guys like Graham Cochran of the Recording Revolution, Joe Gilder of Home Studio Corner, Warren Huart of Produce Like a Pro, Dave Pensado of Pensado's Place, and Johnny Geib of Home Studio Trainer and many more. But none of these sites are talking about BIAB. Just between Produce Like a Pro and Pensado's Place, they have nearly half a million YouTube subscribers. The same PGMusic folks that do the NAMM events could take that presentation and a complementary copy of an UltraPak and make guest appearances at all of these sites. These instructors are always looking for new products that will benefit the home recording enthusiasts in every aspect of the home recording process. That includes many tasks that BIAB specialize in such as practice, building their musical skills, scales, accompaniment tracks, custom tracks, songwriting, midi tracks, RealTracks and Supermidi, Videos, notaction, the Audio Chord Wizard, multitrack recording and on and on....
It seems to me that PGMusic being at NAMM builds business relationships whereas them having a presence on these type sites will build their customer base. Several of these sites are sponsored by specific products such as Presonus and specialize in teaching beginning to advanced procedures and techniques of that product line. Maybe PGMusic could offer a sponsorship to a site.
That particular customer base is a prime market of people who either don't know of BIAB or have heard of it and have many misconceptions about what it is and what it can do for the home recordist artist, producer, music student and teacher. Think of the number of artists that would like access to studio grade musicianship for instruments they can't play. Maybe many of them can play an instrument but not to the expert quality of a RealTrack session player. There's even value to the seasoned player. They may can play the instrument part, but at a particular moment, it is inconvenient to do so. Ask forum member Tom Adams if he wants to do a setup his PSG, tune it plus teardown when through at 2am to play 2 minutes on a song... or... pull up a RealTrack pedal steel?
In the past, I have been in contact with three of those instructors about other topics but mentioned BIAB during our conversation. All three have heard of BIAB but have very little knowledge of the program and what they do know is mostly wrong......
To me, it's a bit of "Will the real BIAB please stand up". Make these guys aware, and you will go a long ways to reaching a specific market that will benefit from the biggest open secret in music software.
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An easy way to dispel many of the common misconceptions and myths about BIAB out in the music world would be for PGMusic to make a presence in the huge YouTube Home Recording Tutorial market. A whole lot of forum members and I'm sure BIAB users that are not active forum members daily spend time building their mixing and producing skills on sites with guys like Graham Cochran of the Recording Revolution, Joe Gilder of Home Studio Corner, Warren Huart of Produce Like a Pro, Dave Pensado of Pensado's Place, and Johnny Geib of Home Studio Trainer and many more. But none of these sites are talking about BIAB. Just between Produce Like a Pro and Pensado's Place, they have nearly half a million YouTube subscribers. The same PGMusic folks that do the NAMM events could take that presentation and a complementary copy of an UltraPak and make guest appearances at all of these sites. These instructors are always looking for new products that will benefit the home recording enthusiasts in every aspect of the home recording process. That includes many tasks that BIAB specialize in such as practice, building their musical skills, scales, accompaniment tracks, custom tracks, songwriting, midi tracks, RealTracks and Supermidi, Videos, notaction, the Audio Chord Wizard, multitrack recording and on and on....
It seems to me that PGMusic being at NAMM builds business relationships whereas them having a presence on these type sites will build their customer base. Several of these sites are sponsored by specific products such as Presonus and specialize in teaching beginning to advanced procedures and techniques of that product line. Maybe PGMusic could offer a sponsorship to a site.
That particular customer base is a prime market of people who either don't know of BIAB or have heard of it and have many misconceptions about what it is and what it can do for the home recordist artist, producer, music student and teacher. Think of the number of artists that would like access to studio grade musicianship for instruments they can't play. Maybe many of them can play an instrument but not to the expert quality of a RealTrack session player. There's even value to the seasoned player. They may can play the instrument part, but at a particular moment, it is inconvenient to do so. Ask forum member Tom Adams if he wants to do a setup his PSG, tune it plus teardown when through at 2am to play 2 minutes on a song... or... pull up a RealTrack pedal steel?
In the past, I have been in contact with three of those instructors about other topics but mentioned BIAB during our conversation. All three have heard of BIAB but have very little knowledge of the program and what they do know is mostly wrong......
To me, it's a bit of "Will the real BIAB please stand up". Make these guys aware, and you will go a long ways to reaching a specific market that will benefit from the biggest open secret in music software.
Well said Charlie!
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Charlie, maybe the new "I want a video that shows me how to .... " forum will help a little on that front.....
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Charlie, maybe the new "I want a video that shows me how to .... " forum will help a little on that front..... I'm sure it will Steve. I've watched most of them and they are very well done. I hope I haven't come across as critical or that PGMusic is not running their business to suit me... Not my intention to do that. I understood this thread topic to be about how members perception of the BIAB product changed as they actually delved into using the product and how much more the product really is from what one may initially perceive it to be. I think BIAB suffers a similar fate to midi with the mass of musicians. Multitudes of musicians snub their nose at midi and think it's cheesy (the same word you'll hear many musicians say about BIAB). These same musicians will go to a movie and listen to an orchestra play over the ending credits and never knowing it's some twenty three year old guy in his bedroom in Colorado playing midi. Someone here on the forum commented that all the major hits in most genres today contain midi because all of the major recording label studios in NYC, LA, Atlanta, Nashville or London use midi. They use midi because they know the nuances of it, have the budget to have the best gear, sounds, software and artists to use it all. They also make huge profits because of midi production cost versus the 'real thing' in so many cases. The big studios have known the truth about midi since its inception and long before the guts of the machinery to process midi would fit into a 49 key midi controller you can hold in one hand. They started with gear so large that had it's own room and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and may be one of only three machines ever made. David Wills of ProaudioDVD's tells the story about touring with Michael Jackson and Michael used a piece of gear for backing tracks and effects that travelled on its own semi truck and was set up in a separate large tent with a/c and had its own maintenance crew and technicians. I've read similar stories about gear Stevie Wonder and Emerson Lake and Palmer purchased and used back in the day. I personally believe the big studios and labels also know about the nuances and features of BIAB and use them on main stream commercial recordings. Just as with midi, they have the resources of people, budget, gear, and technicians to do things far beyond what a normal amateur user would ever do. It's not hard for me to imagine some producer working with a big name artist on a project and coming home one night after a big Hollywood party at 1:00am , checking his email and finding the label wants to add a bow'ed Cello track to a mix he thought was completed and was ready to be sent off to be pressed and mastered the next day.... I think that producer would fire up his BIAB program and make that track... I think many folks in the music world still have it wrong about BIAB.
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Just look at how many top session musicians have lent their name to BIAB by recording RealTracks. I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't want the "cheesy" moniker associated with their names, so that says a lot about BIAB.
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Just look at how many top session musicians have lent their name to BIAB by recording RealTracks. I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't want the "cheesy" moniker associated with their names, so that says a lot about BIAB. Absolutely. Great comment.
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Just look at how many top session musicians have lent their name to BIAB by recording RealTracks. I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't want the "cheesy" moniker associated with their names, so that says a lot about BIAB. Yes, very succinctly put. True in more ways than one.
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We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
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