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I believe it's all a matter of perspective.
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Rap isn't country no matter how many banjos you put in it.
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I believe it's all a matter of perspective.
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Rap isn't country no matter how many banjos you put in it. Agreed, Rap needs more cowbell.
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hi I believe it's all a matter of perspective.
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Rap isn't country no matter how many banjos you put in it. Rap *rap!  I agree but many country numbers had spoken lyrics I seem to remember a whole Jim Reeves album called “Talking to my Heart” With tracks like The Amen Corner, The Shifting Whispering Sands, and more. Also Old Tige (Jim Reeves) Talkin' To Your Heart (Vinyl, LP, Album) album cover Jim Reeves – Talkin' To Your Heart Label: RCA International (Camden) – INTS 1425 Format: Vinyl, LP, Album Country: UK Released: 1973 Genre: Pop, Folk, World, & Country Style: Country Tracklist A1 Trouble In The Amen Corner A2 I'm Waiting For Ships That Never Come In A3 Annabel Lee A4 The Gun A5 The Farmer And The Lord A6 The Shifting Whispering Sands B1 Old Tige B2 Why Do I Love You (Melody Of Love) B3 (Far Away Feeling) The Spell Of The Yukon B4 Men With Broken Hearts B5 Too Many Parties And Too Many Pals B6 Seven Days Credits Engineer – Bill Porter Liner Notes – Don Richardson, Sr.* Producer – Chet Atkins Other things by other artist like Deck Of Cards (Wink Martingdale) And many more. Still at least you could hear the words . Mike 
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It's much more rock-oriented. Drums sound bigger and there is a rap element. It has also expanded its audience.
One thing that strikes me is the guitar playing. I grew up playing rock and blues. I played in a country band for a few years. Being a bar band, we also played rock, so our style was a little edgier. We were playing on the Wheeling Jamboree one night and the announcer chewed me out for not playing like a country guitarist. When I hear country now, I hear a lot of rock licks. Maybe I was ahead of my time. Or, as usual, the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I find a lot of what is wrong with modern country music - or I guess, what I dislike about modern country music - is how forumulaic, simple, and heartless it sounds. The bulk of it is pretty alike to me, both musically and lyrically. It is barely what I'd call country. It's pop with a twang. There's some exceptions. If anybody here isn't aware of his stuff, I definitely suggest looking into Sturgill Simpson. He's by far my favourite modern country artist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg209CadVQM
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I find a lot of what is wrong with modern country music - or I guess, what I dislike about modern country music - is how forumulaic, simple, and heartless it sounds. The bulk of it is pretty alike to me, both musically and lyrically. It is barely what I'd call country. It's pop with a twang. There's some exceptions. If anybody here isn't aware of his stuff, I definitely suggest looking into Sturgill Simpson. He's by far my favourite modern country artist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg209CadVQM I hadn't heard of him before this. This is one hell of a song. I'm going to look for more of him and if his other material is like this I'm buying the CDs or vinyl.
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I find a lot of what is wrong with modern country music - or I guess, what I dislike about modern country music - is how forumulaic, simple, and heartless it sounds. The bulk of it is pretty alike to me, both musically and lyrically. It is barely what I'd call country. It's pop with a twang. There's some exceptions. If anybody here isn't aware of his stuff, I definitely suggest looking into Sturgill Simpson. He's by far my favourite modern country artist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg209CadVQM Yes, he is pretty great. I'm not sure why, but there is this small part of me that feels he is doing everything he can to not be at all formulaic. Like that is HIS formula. I'm not sure if that makes sense? Either way, he has some great songs; and I feel, some great surprises in some of them. In Bloom really caught me off guard. lol But his music is somehow all over the place; yet all sounds like him. For me, that would be hard to define and pull off; but it's really impressive.  He must be doing something right. He gets plenty of plays.
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I find a lot of what is wrong with modern country music - or I guess, what I dislike about modern country music - is how forumulaic, simple, and heartless it sounds. The bulk of it is pretty alike to me, both musically and lyrically. It is barely what I'd call country. It's pop with a twang. There's some exceptions. If anybody here isn't aware of his stuff, I definitely suggest looking into Sturgill Simpson. He's by far my favourite modern country artist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg209CadVQM Yes, he is pretty great. I'm not sure why, but there is this small part of me that feels he is doing everything he can to not be at all formulaic. Like that is HIS formula. I'm not sure if that makes sense? Either way, he has some great songs; and I feel, some great surprises in some of them. In Bloom really caught me off guard. lol But his music is somehow all over the place; yet all sounds like him. For me, that would be hard to define and pull off; but it's really impressive. He must be doing something right. He gets plenty of plays. I agree actually - but I think there is a charm to his "formula" or lack thereof. I find nothing wrong with it, since it's a breath of fresh air. And about In Bloom - again, I agree. If you ever told me I'd willingly listen to a country cover of a Nirvana song I'd call you a liar, but here we are.
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Here is what really happen. We had really good and smart country players who were selling lots of records. Then rock came along and just about took over everything. It was a really big deal but after a while rock sort went into a decline.
Remember I said we had smart country players. That got to talking and said while these rock guys are having a hard time and they are pretty drugged out not paying much attention lets steal that three chord rock, put a steel pedal guitar and a county twang to the vocal and call it new country.
Something about a country boy can survive comes to mind.
Of course the rock guys got really irritated being angry and rebels to begin with and started playing as fast as they could possible play which was fun to watch for about five minuets. With all the drugs and alcohol and super high speed rhythmic noise that did not last to long.
We all know what came next straight out of Compton and a few other places like it. So now they would like to take over the Grammys, and have Rap chart on the country billboard.
So, for all of you who have no sense of humor the above was written in a joking manner....just a disclaimer. But the only real joke is it is all true...lol
The good news is there is room enough in the world for every kind of music and we have pretty good tools to create most anything we like here on the forum.
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I believe it's all a matter of perspective.
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Rap isn't country no matter how many banjos you put in it. Agreed, Rap needs more cowbell. Always more cowbell! Ahahaha.
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If you should see this post, you remarked there
is a lot going on in music, today. I'd like
to hear your summary on that, and where you might
think it is going.
By the way, one factor that has not been mentioned
much is the digital revolution.
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Well, in reference to 'real country', it appears I may have been ahead of the curve. Recently a rap artist recorded a song titled "old town road". It charted on three different genres including country but after a few weeks, it was pulled from the country charts and it was stated there were not enough elements of country. A remix has been released using Billy Ray Cyrus for some of the vocals. What does that have to do with me being ahead of the curve? Of course it's much better produced and higher quality and such, but a few may recall a song I posted back in 2017 titled "Passing Through" - the two songs use very similar instrumentation, tempo and other similarities. I posted my song on SoundCloud and listed the genre as ---- Country... I removed the song from SoundCloud sometime back but looking through the comments, it's noted my use of a banjo, sparse instrumentation and unusual and sparse lyrics. Just sayin' … Here's a link to the comments from the post. Passing Through
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Used to be country music was where you found interesting story songs.
Used to be country music was performed on the front porch more than on the radio.
Used to be country music didn't have to be about pickup trucks, girls in cut-off shorts, and beer. Lots about beer, but not the other two.
Used to be that country music had instrumental wizards who were great entertainers.
Used to be that country music had clever turns of phrases that would bring a smile to the face.
Good news is that this still exists, but you might have to look harder for it. Some are out in the forefront. Kasey Musgraves, Jason Isbell, Chris Stapleton for a few examples - but others you have to dig deeper.
But this is true with all music styles. If you want the interesting stuff, it isn't going to be on the radio.
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Hear to Learn:
If you should see this post, you remarked there
is a lot going on in music, today. I'd like
to hear your summary on that, and where you might
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By the way, one factor that has not been mentioned
much is the digital revolution. Hey Ed, That is a great question; that I wish I knew the answer to. I have thoughts on it; which I can elaborate more on tomorrow. I'm bringing a few of my kids to a concert today. Road trip. 10 hours driving to put smiles on their faces. Again, thanks for starting the thread.
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Well, in reference to 'real country', it appears I may have been ahead of the curve. Recently a rap artist recorded a song titled "old town road". It charted on three different genres including country but after a few weeks, it was pulled from the country charts and it was stated there were not enough elements of country. A remix has been released using Billy Ray Cyrus for some of the vocals. What does that have to do with me being ahead of the curve? Of course it's much better produced and higher quality and such, but a few may recall a song I posted back in 2017 titled "Passing Through" - the two songs use very similar instrumentation, tempo and other similarities. I posted my song on SoundCloud and listed the genre as ---- Country... I removed the song from SoundCloud sometime back but looking through the comments, it's noted my use of a banjo, sparse instrumentation and unusual and sparse lyrics. Just sayin' … Here's a link to the comments from the post. Passing Through Hey Charlie, I read your post and the comments at the linked post. What are the chances I could hear the song? I would really love to hear it!
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A man walks in to Cabela's to get items to fly fish. That's the kind of fishing he likes. Of course, they have WAY more equipment in the store for other types of fishing; and even other sports! But he just goes to the area that is "his thing"; makes his purchase, hops in his vehicle and he is on his way with a big smile on his face. No complaints. If only music worked that same way. The music from "back in the day" is still on the radio. There are stations for pretty much anything. I have stations near me that are playing music from even the 30's! They are on A.M. but...if that's what you grew up on. lol Why people complain about stations playing music they don't like is beyond me. Why are you listening to it? If you're hearing music you don't like; change the damn station. Also, Chris Stapleton would NOT have flown on country stations back then. Not to mention, he writes for some of the new country artists people here seem to dislike. He even performs with non-country (gasp) artists too. And yet the people who complain about new country frequently point to him as "doing it right." Then again, he doesn't strike me as close minded. He respectful of others. It's hard not to like a guy like that; and I believe it has a lot to do with his success.
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A man walks in to Cabela's to get items to fly fish. That's the kind of fishing he likes. Of course, they have WAY more equipment in the store for other types of fishing; and even other sports! But he just goes to the area that is "his thing"; makes his purchase, hops in his vehicle and he is on his way with a big smile on his face. No complaints. If only music worked that same way. It does, but not necessarily on commercial AM/FM radio. You can pick your favorite genre of music on the Internet using a number of different players. You can also do the same with pay radio stations like SiriusXM radio or Pandora. There are options you can choose. PS - I know that Pandora has a free section also.
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There are only 2 types of music:
1. Serious aka classics and jazz.Trained schooled players that played only for the King and Queen
2. Folk aka music of the people. No formal training, no technique but lots of lyrics.
Call it what you want but if it ain't #1 it's folk music.
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A man walks in to Cabela's to get items to fly fish. That's the kind of fishing he likes. Of course, they have WAY more equipment in the store for other types of fishing; and even other sports! But he just goes to the area that is "his thing"; makes his purchase, hops in his vehicle and he is on his way with a big smile on his face. No complaints. If only music worked that same way. It does, but not necessarily on commercial AM/FM radio. You can pick your favorite genre of music on the Internet using a number of different players. You can also do the same with pay radio stations like SiriusXM radio or Pandora. There are options you can choose. PS - I know that Pandora has a free section also. I recently signed up for the free version of Spotify. I've been very pleased with it so far. The recommendations are are spot on, (no pun intended).
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Under the right conditions, my radio will play WSM Nashville.
I'm convinced they turn it up on Saturday nite. Sure, I could
get it on Sirius, probably, or online. There's nothing quite
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- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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