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Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales #554887 09/15/19 12:19 AM Off-Topic
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OP MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,487 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Interesting article about the current direction in recorded music sales. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/14/vinyl-records-on-track-to-outsell-cds-and-prices-have-risen-490percent.html Jeff Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2026, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #554907 09/15/19 02:00 AM Off-Topic
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,318 Hamlin NY	Back to the future! I'm glad that I kept all of my LPs and that earlier this year I purchased a new turntable. I've always like LPs over CDs. Thanx for sharing. I think my wife has started to show the first signs of dementia. She said she can't remember what she ever saw in me! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MarioD #554909 09/15/19 02:07 AM Off-Topic
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BlueAttitude Veteran Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,955 Ontario, Canada	Originally Posted By: MarioD I'm glad that I kept all of my LPs and that earlier this year I purchased a new turntable. I've always like LPs over CDs. I still have all my vinyl too, going back to the 60's Dave Blue Attitude Website Blue Attitude YouTube channel

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #554939 09/15/19 04:13 AM Off-Topic
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HearToLearn Veteran Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,298 Midwest	Sorry, but sort of a mis-leading article. Chad (Hope that makes it easier) TEMPO TANTRUM: What a lead singer has when they can't stay in time.

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #554980 09/15/19 09:30 AM Off-Topic
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Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 15,975 GA USA	No offense meant to anybody so don’t be hating on me now ....and apologies for veering a bit of topic. Us old pharts do that. I would love to see a correctly done (good research design) double blind study that tested for discrimination accuracy of those tested regarding: High quality mp3 vs wav vs etc. Vinyl vs CD vs the best streaming platform $3K speakers vs $500 speakers High end tube amp vs a decent sold state amp And more... Good article. I'm surprised CD sales are still that high. Bud Caveat 1: I have a huge vinyl collection dating to early Elvis...including the Beatles "Butcher" album - got real lucky with that! All purchased when released. After the advent of CD's they were all relegated to the basement where they remain. I've gone from that vinyl collection to replacing most with CD's to uploading 500 CD's to iTunes to Apple Music. Caveat 2: I owned some of the best turntables and tube amps. Mostly they too reside in the basement...well I wish all the tube amps did given the market for them now! Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555043 09/15/19 11:40 PM Off-Topic
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furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	LOVE playing vinyl. At our local hospital radio station there's over 3000 vinyl LPs. Quality even from the 60s' is incredible. I bought a double vinyl album last year from a friend of mine who recorded his last album on vinyl AND cd. He gave me the cd, but the difference is astonishing. Vinyl for me every time Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555095 09/16/19 10:40 AM Off-Topic
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jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,808 Pensacola, Florida	I still have my vinyl collection (about 1500 albums), but am digitizing them to MP3 (using pretty good software designed for that). It takes a while, but it's a fun hobby. I could probably get a number of them on CD, but I don't like buying the same thing twice, and many are no longer available anyway. And I never had very good luck trying to listen to my records while driving in the car. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555097 09/16/19 11:06 AM Off-Topic
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,462 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Have you tried playing records in a boat? John, if you are using software just for this task of converting vinyl to MP3, would you mind sharing the name? BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555109 09/16/19 12:05 PM Off-Topic
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,464 Mi., USA	Matt, Can't speak for John, but I just record the turntable output to PT/RB, then use the PGVinyl tool sparingly (actually a pretty impressive tool once you learn it). And save as Wav. The PGMusic VinylTool is worth exploring if you want to get your OLD vinyl albums digitized. I have a few hundred and some are definitely collector stuff, but alas I've also abused/wore out many that are no longer available. The PGMusic VinylTool is another hidden tool you already have but may not have tinkered with .. The settings in the image below are my default starting point, like I said; you gotta tinker with it a bit. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) pgVinyl.jpg (65.29 KB, 103 downloads) I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555112 09/16/19 12:15 PM Off-Topic
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Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi all I am a great fan of vinyl, but sadly I sold my last turntable about 15 tears ago for more than I paid for it new back in the HI Fi era. Replaced most of my collection with CDs the balance transferred to high spec cassette tape. Still miss that sound and the Valve (tube) amps. So much so that as some of you know I have recently bought a class A push pull valve amp for my guitar. Reminds me of those hifi valve amps like the Leak, Quad, Radford, etc. the sound I loved. However I can see how this all happened with the move to music PC based music and software in recent years. With the DAT audio systems and the ill fated minidisk (remember them) sandwiched somewhere along the way. Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555114 09/16/19 12:29 PM Off-Topic
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,462 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Mike, I still have all my Hi-Fi audio from the 70s. Sounds great, including the 4-track Teac deck. Bob (rharv) thanks for the tip. I see the RIAA curve adjustment is included; also a rumble filter, not useful anywhere else. Impressive. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555117 09/16/19 12:40 PM Off-Topic
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Will Josef Expert W Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 1,362 Denmark	I love my vinyls and I probably have about 1000, but to be honest, most of my listening to music these days is via streaming... it is just so much more convenient. Will

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555118 09/16/19 12:43 PM Off-Topic
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furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	Guys, if your Lps are quite crackly, then use Adobe audition ( or even cool edit as it was before.) It's been a fantastic tool for me copying Lps from friends. It REALLY works at taking all the crackles & pops out of a recording. I've even used it for hiss removal from old tapes. This was the software I've used for years for recording vinyl to cds to begin with. Don't have any more to copy now. I've about 10,000 cds on two 64gb sd cards and also backed up on a 1tb ext hd, which I use to take to the studio to do my radio shows. Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555120 09/16/19 01:03 PM Off-Topic
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,462 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Yes, I've used Adobe Audition (Cool Edit) for all my stereo editing from more than a decade. But unless you are recording from an amp the turntable is connected to, converting a signal from a turntable requires a preamp and that RIAA emphasis curve. There must be some interface that does it, or else perhaps software. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555140 09/16/19 08:49 PM Off-Topic
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furry Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,258 Scottish Highlands	Originally my goodmans turntable had two phono out sockets, and would connect to my Behringer sound module. At the moment I don't have or need a turntable as I can just record any at the hospital radio studio and take them home to edit. Graham............ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKBPq93IQFTD3q-zBqxghbQ?view_as=subscriber

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales furry #555153 09/17/19 01:35 AM Off-Topic
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,318 Hamlin NY	My Audio Technica turntable has audio outs, which is connected to my mixer and near field monitors, as well as a USB port, which is connected to my computer. I only convert to a CD songs that I want or need to learn, and that is very rarely. I think my wife has started to show the first signs of dementia. She said she can't remember what she ever saw in me! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555161 09/17/19 02:31 AM Off-Topic
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Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi all Some of you mention the RIAA equalization curve. This will need to be dealt with if your pickup is Magnetic, moving coil or moving iron (magnet) like Sure, Ortifon, etc. these will also need a pre amp as the output is low a few mv. The RIAA treatment is included in pre amps made for this purpose, in hi fi amps or can be bought as free standing units to give you an equalized output at a higher level for driving what ever. If you use a magnetic cartridge. However those using ceramic pick up cartridges, you don’t need to worry about RIAA Eq or preamps. As they are a much higher impendence and output often 100mv to 1volt . The eq is not required because the ceramic element compensates for the recording curve. This means that if you don’t use RIAA eq when using a magnetic pickup it will sound thin and toppy no bass. Where as a ceramic will give you an already flatter output across the range. Into its correct impedance. The above all assumes that you are feeding the above cartridges to their correct input impedance, that is :normally 47k moving iron(magnet), Moving coil are often much lower impedance and need to go through a transformer to bring them up to a 47k input. Ceramic cartridges req a much higher impedance 1M to 2M to perform as above. Strangely, and confusing for some folks if you feed a high impedance ceramic cartridge into a 47k input the mismatch causes its output to not be flat In fact it would be all top and no bass so you can bring it back on line by using RIAA EQ. But you would overload a magnetic cartridge input because of the ceramic cartridge high output Have fun Mike Last edited by Mike Head; 09/17/19 02:36 AM. BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales MountainSide #555163 09/17/19 02:59 AM Off-Topic
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Deryk - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 3,414	One thing I'm surprised is making a comeback is cassette - more and more independent artists I follow are releasing new projects on cassette tape. Which is strange to me since I have vivid memories of how low quality it sounded. I do think vinyl is around for the long run. If anything else, the artwork on a record is stunning when you compare it to the tiny little artwork on a cassette or CD case. Between the packaging and vinyl itself, I almost consider it a work of art itself aside from the music. Cheers, Deryk

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales Deryk - PG Music #555169 09/17/19 04:28 AM Off-Topic
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,697 Redondo Beach, Ca.	I had read something about a huge shortage of vinyl pressing equipment and the people who know how to run them. I vaguely remember reading about how records are made as a kid and it's complicated. Here's a good article about it: Chicago gets it's first vinyl pressing plant in decades Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Vinyl records outsell CD's but streaming is now 80% of recorded sales Deryk - PG Music #555175 09/17/19 05:29 AM Off-Topic
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Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	hi Originally Posted By: Deryk - PG Music One thing I'm surprised is making a comeback is cassette - more and more independent artists I follow are releasing new projects on cassette tape. Which is strange to me since I have vivid memories of how low quality it sounded. Strangely by the time cassettes came to an end, the high end cassette decks could turn in a good recording. What was not so good were commercial releases of compact cassette recordings, owing to the fact that they often copied for distribution on high speed copiers. As you know to double the speed doubles the frequency so you soon finished up outside the capabilities of the medium and the copies would playback at the correct speed when you played them but lacked in high frequency content. This has always been a problem with any double speed copier for tape systems in general. 15k is 30k at double speed. Real time copy is a much safer bet. Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

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