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I am 51
I use it at home as a learning tool to play my guitar.
I like Jazz Solos mostly for now
I am not writing new music but arranging some existing ones (i.e. trying different instruments and adding some Solo parts using the Soloist and some nice Sax or Trumpets)
I use both BIAB and RealBand
Since I bought my ketron SD2, I like the midi tracks better as I can get some pretty real sounds --especially the saxes and trumpets etc., sound unbeliveably good...)
I use Realdrums if I can find one matching the midi version
I use BIAB to learn and play along the Guitar and/or melody parts
I use Real Band to record my guitar part - and although I can do this in BIAB, I prefer to do it in RealBand, because I can record my part on several tracks (one after the other), as I know there will be many mistakes LOL. Then I can cut and paste the good parts to replace the bad parts/mistakes... This way, I can end up with one perfect track, which I use it to make the final cut.
I'll make an mp3 and put it on my iPod or give it to friends so they can compliment/appreciate me more LOL!
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Wyndham & Melanie Dennison my age 63, she's younger and a lot better looking. My wife and I use BIAB & RT to work on Gospel music and make backing tracks for her to sing to. We both write and she sings and supposed to read my mind when I hear something I have running around in my head. We are both potters for over 25 yrs each, trying to eek out a living at this Arts & Craft game also in computers from early Radio Shack TRS80. Music we like is Rock & Roll to Country to Folk & Gospel. Usually I check "Other" in most questionnaires. Wyndham 
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Pat, Quote:
Let's start with the assumption that the people who frequent this forum comprise a reasonably random sample of PGMusic's customer base.
I too have to wonder about that. It seems to defy logic, and with educational sales and so forth, there should be some very young users of BIAB, although they may not own a copy. I also doubt highly that this would be an accurate sample of any demographics, other than 'who posts to this forum' and 'who is interested enough to respond to this post.'
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Then, let's see how homogenous the group is in terms of:
name... age... preferred music style...do you use mostly BIAB/RB/PT ?
Gary Curran
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Jazz, Big Band, Swing, Latin, Classical (depending on my mood), Rock and Roll (late 50's, early 60's), and some 'Classic Rock.'
I use Band In A Box for MIDI generation, Real Tracks Generation, and suggestions. Although I will use RB and PTPA, and am a strong supporter of those two programs, I prefer to use Sonar.
Now, the one thing that you didn't include in this little survey was the experience level, or playing level, and I find that to be a very important item.
So, for those respondents who read this, I'll ask this question as well.
What level is your playing at, and how do you use these products in support of that playing level?
My answer to that question is: I've had about a year of piano lessons, I can not read bass clef, and I classify my playing as 'Poor.' I say that from a purely technical point of view. I use BIAB to do what I can not, because I do not know how. I am unable to accompany a singer, have a very poor understanding of music theory, can not transpose on the fly, and I do not 'hear' music well. By that, I mean I could not tell you the key a song is in, or *why* a chord progression would or would not work. I hear music as a whole, but can not break it down into it's component parts and the reasoning for those parts.
I do know that Band In A Box has many associated sub-programs that could help me with that, but I have not been motivated to use them.
My instruments are this computer, and my Korg PA800 keyboard.
Gary
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I'll be 76 on Feb 22nd, Washington's B-Day (also).... My instruments: Korg PA-80, Roland G-1000, Ensoniq EPS+, Korg Karma, Korg Triton, 2 Korg M3R's, Yamaha CS6X, Yamaha ES-8, 2 175's, 2 335's, an assortment of solidbody guitars and basses and effects modules and samplers, including a Roland XP-5080 and an Akai S-5000. And lots of fishin' poles and a 17' Alum. Osage Canoe to hunt down those Florida fishies!! I couldn't be the oldest living BIAB user, could I? At any rate, I have to go back into Rehab with Tiger for the same reason...altho all mine have been too ugly to be Adult Film ladies. Happy touring..without Mr. "T"!!      http://www.thegigbaby.com
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I couldn't be the oldest living BIAB user, could I? I'm open to an endorsement contract!...and, like Tiger, I'll leave it open, if I return to the links this year!
I believe that Botma (Harold) has us both beat.
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Ok, I expect in return for this information a complete statistical analysis including charts with plotted targets and trendlines indexed with an overall synopsis of data sampled... Guess you can tell what I do for a living! Name: Rick Gale Age: soon to be 45 Genre: if it's got soul... I'm in. Brass/woodwind based classic funk, R&B, jazz, blues, & guitar based rock. I use BIAB as an accompaniment practice and recording tool to fill in with the musicians/instruments I most enjoyed playing with live back in the day when we had live music. Being I use Cakewalk Sonar Home Edition for my sound integration of pieces written in Finale, BIAB, and live recording. I have not had much need for Real Band. Although I am still very much a newbie using BIAB, it has been an excellent resource for being the springboard for song development and composition. RickeG
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Hi Bob, I have to offer you this thought. If your son is young he may have peers like himself who have the time to get together and play live. Whereas, we family folk, at this stage of our lives may have a free moment here or there. But, it just never seems to coincide with the free time of others in our position. And should the time actually sync up between friends.. the music won't. BIAB makes it feasible for those in our position in life to still keep our chops somewhat sharp and still have fun playing with the sounds of other musicians expecially with the creation of Real Tracks and other VSTi.
Besides I don't know if I agree wholely with your son on the sound. Unless he is in a band with more than the standard rhythm section of bass, drums, piano, and guitar I think he would be hard pressed to find the sound any better coming from their amps! The only thing this idea lacks that can never be intergrated would be the live interaction where you read the other players and improv as it occurs. If you are one used to playing by the chart, then this should make you feel right at home. If you are one given to improv, you are locked with what you start with.
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Hi Manning, as one who teaches guitar to young students, I especially enjoy the real young ones those under teenage years. For me, that was the time when a family member really sowed his musical life into exposing me to music from concert orchestra to vocal doo-wop to Deep Purple! And because of his passion for all that music it awakened me to that passion and joy.
I don't fault the younger generation for what you see as laziness. They just have not been shown the excitement of playing in a live setting with other musicians. Where I live the school systems have cut music out of their day. The kids go home to Rock Band because it is the only thing they have been fed by the media. And marketers know one thing about teens is if you make it exciting for one you get them all. That is what triggered the massive music movement in the 60's & 70's and as it began to wain off we now have children playing their ipod or Rock Band. And those who do play an instrument are convinced that TAB and letters over words in a text document is considered reading music.
What I have done is include music appreciation in my instruction. These kids are getting turned on to major guitarists from all generations. As I mentioned in one of my posts of a jazz guitarist from the 1920's who, in modern terms, is a complete shredder only without all the processing to boost him. Then, I take them through every possible genre so they can at least get exposed to what is beyond the completely useless radio stations play.
I want to encourage each of us that have an opportunity to get a young person excited about playing a live instrument.
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I will so far be the youngest to post here. manning1, you never miss an opportunity to talk about how lazy or ignorant us youngsters are!
Let's just say that things are different.
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Im a couple of years younger than Jagger and McCartney 65 but they do say todays 60 year olds are the 40 year olds of 30 years ago.I believe Chuck Berry is nearing 80.If you feel young and can still cut it thats what its all about.Cheers Frankie 
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I am a 24 year old model trapped in this body trying to get out. LOL Sorry, I couldn't resist. Fabulous fiftysomething which is the new 30 which is the new 13 which is going on 30.... Boomers reign.
All music styles except gangsta rap and polka. Ok even polka if it's got a good beat and you can dance to it.
Using the programs for writing but may go back on stage when my wonderful husband (cradle robber - I was a child bride) retires to be my roadie.
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By answering this question (and even being here on the forum) does it mean I have just joined a list of 'also ran' wannabes??  Quote:
I am a 24 year old model trapped in this body trying to get out.
Can I help you, baby? Why, its cold outside... I said, baby its cold outside!
I am very surprised by this thread. Shocked and surprised. I get shocked by friends ageing and even dieing... Am I really that old? Then again, I turned 50 in September and officially have no family and no kids (that I am aware of ) or...
I do have a military cadet, aged 18, who I kind of adopted unofficially as my 'son'. He really doesn't get on well with his parents but he is a good lad. He's the son I never had...
He plays bass guitar...
I have been looking for a keys player for a long time and they always seem to turn out to be women for some reason. Why do they always seem to be women in my life?
Well, a current gf of mine is getting her keys skills back in order (with a set of keyboards that I have lent her and a piano that my best friend has lent her). Apparently, she has even played accordion in her past? This is the second time around that a gf has presented herself as a potential keys player in a band - let's hope this time she doesn't disappear. So, maybe baby, sometime soon, I'll finally have my chance to get my songs heard...
To be honest, God only knows what I am doing here (on this planet, let alone the forum). Still, see my signature. I have my dreams and I'm working on them. PG Music software is the best tool I have...
Now, let me go and have a self-pity cry in the corner for not having achieved my music dreams YET!!!
Seriously, great software. Its what I needed from the start and I have a university degree in Business Computing Systems, let alone my Master's in Arts Management, so the software met my needs exactly 20 years ago. Still does. Just give me a chance to let loose and I will have them dancing in the streets and singing my songs in their dreams.
I'm primarily a singer/songwriter for rock & roll with a country heart and I'm British (and proud to be so)
HTH
BTW, as the saying goes. 'there are lies, there are damned lies, and then there are statistics'. Go figure! Professionally speaking, this survey does NOT constitute a veritable statistical survey - the sample is too small and too biased. Still, that's it from here
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To add to the beginning of my post... Baby its cold outside
Follow That Dream Sam Karaoke King -------------------- Turning that corner again - I have to keep following that dream, no matter what
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Paddy MCgurk, 54 of Irish parentage living in Liverpool UK.
I have no reason to disagree with the fact that biab (great software that it is) is used by us older generation generally.
Look at the facts,
Developed and marketed by a gentleman that fits our age group (sorry Peter) Someone who lived through our musical era and knows what we want musically and puts it into biab.
There is no market drive by pgmusic to try and get a younger user group.
I think this is a fair sample of biab users that have replied here.
Paddy
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"There is no market drive by pgmusic to try and get a younger user group."
I respectfully disagree with that one.
Many youngun's can benefit greatly from RB and even BiaB.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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The music teachers at our school board have some version of Band in a Box. Problem is they are used to being taught how to use something, and the 3 that play in my brass band admit that there is not good starting level tutorial.
What it would take is for the songs that are part of the curriculum to be put in a folder for the appropriate grades, and a how to quick start guide needs to be included. The major problem is that they then need some kind of amplification system. Too many variables I think.
Again there is an educational niche that's untapped.
Sell a computer solution with band in a box installed, a soundsystem that works for a class room, a basic mixer a mic, and the music needed and bob's yer proverbial uncle.
An aftermarket that might exceed the current user base. And then a licencing thing to allow the students a pared down version, educational in nature, with a video, on a DVD.
Thus not only the schoolboards would be happy, but independant teachers could buy a version with drills etc for teaching specific instruments, trumpet, trombone, baritones, horns (real ones in Eb), the flute etc. Tuba would be a hit.
Given the pace of RealTracks and once the sort out the market for the genres, maybe they can offer a worship package and a new forum and just plunk all the on line hymns into it, no copyright issues, and we cussin, chewin, cuban cigar smokin, beer swillers can feel safe that the sally ann is not handing out leaflets in our favorite watering hole.
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Well, you can keep the 'Sally Ann' well away from me!
Man, if I need God or preachin', I don't have to go looking for it! Its right here on the forae!
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"There is no market drive by pgmusic to try and get a younger user group."
I respectfully disagree with that one.
Many youngun's can benefit greatly from RB and even BiaB.
Hi Bob. I fully agree with your statement. However, getting them to actually use it is the trick. I'm sure many younger generational people actually mess with it. Younger people really prefer to have bands because of the closeness of their souls, doing what they love together.
I suspect there are many closet midi youngsters out there. They like to sit at their computers and see what they can create with this software.
As for me? I got my first BB and PT in 1996. I think it was BB v4 and PT 3.5(came with both a DOS and win version). I didn't know anything about midi. I'd heard it used, mainly, as a buzzword. In other words, I didn't have a clue. Everything I know about midi I learned on this forum. I still don't know all that much about it either. But what I do know I can create some killer songs with it.
In using midi I use synths, such as, Forte and VSCi. I have a great sax synth and a pretty good guitar synth. I also have a really good Les Paul soundfont that I use with SFX. I have a host of DX and VST plugins for different FX.
When Real Instruments came into being I think Peter and crew had a good far sight into the music future with its software. I think this is their answer to using looping instruments, which is pretty good when you consider the possibilities you can come up with. Only time will tell.
I'm hoping that, in the future, programs like the Forte will have real sounding instruments. Specially the guitars and drums. Lots of other too. Hopefully the VSC will be improved to sound like real instruments instead of midi instruments.
When I create a song, chances are, the instruments I use will be some RI's and some midi. I always use midi drums running the DR005 drum synth. They sound real and I can control what they do. With Real Drums I have no control. What I hear is what I get. Of course, I use my own guitars and bass in many of the songs.
Here's my stats:
Name:Russ Stanton
Age: 66 (until May 30)
Instruments: Guitar and Bass (Very little keyboards) and my vocal chords
I've played since I was 17
Genre is older rock 'n roll, country, soul and blues and I like ethnic music as well.
Hope that helps with the demographics.
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Pat – generally I’m not photogenic – but here’s my snapshot with a tinge of sepia. Fav genres – I’m a 61 year old folkie and played guitar before the Beatle invasion, loved the 60’s British invasion, and the following folk rock revolution with it’s electrified instruments and multi-part harmonies. Shifted focus to new country in the early 80s when rock/pop became a wasteland. Discovered that new country best suited the style of the songs I was writing. Loved 70s folk/country and played it in bars with my six, 12 and harmonica plus a good buddy on bass and harmonies. Prior to computers I recorded on TEAC 3340s and a Tascam Portastudio 488. Discovered BIAB in the mid 90s to create my midi backup tracks for my original tunes but never used it for live venues. However after my divorce I had much more time to be creative. Only one of my six kids decided to get involved in music as a lead guitar player (modeling himself after Edge). He was very much a purist and not a fan of midi. Guess if his band had had a keyboardist there might have been a different outcome. All my kids just wanted me to play my songs with the acoustic.. . forget BIAB. . . forget Midi . . . too fake. I sketch the song in BIAB 2010 usually with country overtones and now move it to RB and use RTs where I feel they suit. I still like the flexibility of Midi Drums, Bass and organ and mix some combo of those and stringed RTs. I also export the RB Seq to Powertracks for editing tracks. PT is not as much of a memory hog graphically as RB is. I keep the RB track layout and export back to RB to regenerate Midi or RT tracks. I use Audacity for final tweaking and MP3 generation. As for my familial critics - they seem to be enjoying the RTs more . . . . or else I've just worn them down and keep Midi hidden under the hood. BIAB is a great songwriting tool. Ian
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"There is no market drive by pgmusic to try and get a younger user group."
I respectfully disagree with that one.
Many youngun's can benefit greatly from RB and even BiaB.
And as you might expect, I respectfully disagree with Bob here.
There's been several posts that 'youngsters' don't want to learn MIDI- things to that effect.
I'm not saying that younger people wouldn't benefit from PG products, but I don't think they are using them. Some 'youngsters' are doing things with MIDI that most here have never dreamed of.
What they are not doing is using General Midi in many respects. In fact, many of them are using MIDI and synthesis in a way that pre-dates General Midi, in that they are into Tracker sequencers, arepeggiation as a musical device, actually programming synthesizers (albeit mostly soft-synths), etc. For an example of what I am referring to, I'll point you to just one guy I've recently discovered over on the FAWM challenge site. If you click this link, you can hear the work that he has done this month: http://fawm.org/fawmers/erothyme/
I tire of hearing that the younger folks 'just want it easy', etc. While this may be true for some, it is not the rule.
The persons in this forum probably are not an accurate sampling of PG customers, but it is highly likely that PG customers are skewed to an older generation because of the focus of PG products on General MIdi backing, and now the real-band backing.
This isn't to say that there is not a market for these types of products; certainly there is. But the PG focus is not definitely not targeting the mainstream of younger computer-based musicians.
For a contrast; join in at www.kvraudio.com forums and run the same question up the flag pole there. You will see skewness the opposite direction in the demographic; as well as hearing a wholly and fundamentally different focus to the music. Active members on that forum number in the thousands each month.
I used to try to make some noise in this forum about how antiquated the packaging and marketing of PG products seems to be - but I tired of the effort. Young folks today expect professional design in all products they use - from an aesthetic standpoint. One does not see this with PG products packaging/marketing.
Anyway, I think pwhack's assessment is right on the money. Again, not saying younger folks couldn't benefit, but there exists very little evidence PG is trying to reach them.
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