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Tuesday the 17th at 10:00 am I had an unusable internet connection with the guys I normally get together with in Queens New York.

The speed test I ran on my end were a little slow, around 750 to 800 mb up and down, but not unusual. I never get the gig speed I pay for from AT&T.

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The fine print probably states 'up to 1 GB'


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Only 750-800 up and down and you call that slow.

I'm supposed to be at the cutting edge here with FTTP with 105 Mbps down and 20 up.

There are better speeds but they cost a prenium.

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Originally Posted By: Planobilly
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Tuesday the 17th at 10:00 am I had an unusable internet connection with the guys I normally get together with in Queens New York.

The speed test I ran on my end were a little slow, around 750 to 800 mb up and down, but not unusual. I never get the gig speed I pay for from AT&T.

Billy

I usually get 950 up and down with AT&T fiber here a little south of you Planobilly. I live in a neighborhood that has association fees, part of the fees pay for the internet, tv etc, I upgrade to 1 gig service for just a few bucks more so it was a no brainer for me. That and upgrade to SSD drives and my system is faster than I could ever be!


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Only 750-800 up and down and you call that slow.

I'm supposed to be at the cutting edge here with FTTP with 105 Mbps down and 20 up.

There are better speeds but they cost a prenium.


No, I don't call 750-800 slow, just that my normal speed is around 900.

For me, the gigabit internet speeds are mostly useful for moving video up and down.

We also pay a premium for faster speeds. AT&T gigabit internet is about $70 a month. 100 MBPS cost around $35 dollars per month.

I "assume" increased traffic due to Covid-19 will slow things down. How much I don't know. AT&T says that they are able to deal with it, but you can not trust anything they say.

They advertise 1000 MBPS and deliver 950 MBPS when everything is working well. Considerably less at other times.

Well 950 and 1000 is the same thing, right? From the top of the government to the fisherman down the road....everyone is misrepresenting the truth.

How people react to the price of things is somewhat dependent on what they get use to. Gas cost around $5.50 per US gallon in France. I payed $1.95 yesterday here in Miami. People would go crazy here if gas cost $5.50.

To some extent none of this really matters. It is what it is and it cost what it cost.

Cheers,

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Take your measurement by connecting your computer directly to the modem, not a router. It may then read the advertised speed.


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I'd love to see a screen dump of you getting 950mbps UPstream. If you do, your downstream must be off the test charts because typical up is 10%-ish of your down.

If you are getting 950 mbps up I am moving to where you are.

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It is increasingly becoming normal for fiber optic connections to offer upload speeds similar to their download speeds. The 10 to 1 ratio in favor of download is no longer applicable.

ps I’m on an advisory committee in my county studying how to improve broadband coverage, particularly in rural areas.


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Take your measurement by connecting your computer directly to the modem, not a router. It may then read the advertised speed.


Not necessarily true but I am not going to argue it. I have tested here with computer on cat5 vs wireless, downloading a file on all 6 computers at the same time, and my speeds were within 2% on both, so that whole thing about a home router being a bottleneck isn't, and has never been, true. Unless you are still using WEP for security, which limits speeds, but everybody on earth is WPA these days. Internet providers teach their techs to tell customers that if you have 100mb down and you use 4 computers through a router that each of them gets 1/4th of that speed, and that is simply not true. Every IP is assigned to a socket that is a peer of the other sockets. That's kind of what peer to peer means.

Between cameras that run 24/7, 6 PCs that stay on 24/7, 2 Roku devices, tables, cell phones, wireless printer, etc... I use 22 IPs in my house. My performance NEVER waivers based on demand. Here's my speed test with all those IPs moving data.


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I know they say that devices or tv's on standby don't use much electricity, but surely the bill would be lower if you switched the lot off at night?

Not to mention fire safety.

The only thing that stays on here is the fridge.

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This is according to AT&T speed test.



This from Ookla.

Pretty close today.


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Impressive Billy, Looks like Eddie is going to be your next door neighbour soon.

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LOL...I invited him to come over to eat whenever he wanted too.


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I am glad I can get high speed internet at any cost. AT&T is great when it is working correctly.

AT&T is and has always been very difficult to deal with when something is not working correctly. Their standard answer is to say it is Sprints fault or Wiltel or Verizon.

I guess this is pretty common with many of the telcos.

If you are dealing with a consumer issue the people you will be talking to know next to nothing. Nothing is going to happen until a engineer gets involved. Solving communications issues are frequently not simple.

In the commercial world, when I worked at the bank you can not imagine how many hours I have spent on the phone with the engineers from telcos trying to solve long haul problems.

I have ask the engineers a zillion times "what is the signal path end to end"

Network engineering is complex and getting more so every day.

I am not sure what any of this has to do with a network outage in New York City last Tuesday morning which was my original question. I certainly have no issue with discussing networking issues as it is a pretty interesting subject.

Cheers,

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I'm literally in the boonies in WV on top of a mountain.

I pay for 100 Mbps. Here is what I actually get.

216.23 Mbps down, 21.57 Mbps up.

1,000 Mbps is available, but I don't see where I actually need it. Why pay more?

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Take your measurement by connecting your computer directly to the modem, not a router. It may then read the advertised speed.


Not necessarily true but I am not going to argue it. I have tested here with computer on cat5 vs wireless, downloading a file on all 6 computers at the same time, and my speeds were within 2% on both, so that whole thing about a home router being a bottleneck isn't, and has never been, true. ...

I'm glad you aren't going to argue, because that would be an incorrect approach. Also, in your description, did you mean to say you have Cat5 cable, and not Cat5e or Cat6? Cat 5 has a maximum rated speed of 100Mbps (5e is 1000Mbps). This alone would throw off any results you would get. Testing WiFi speeds is even more problematic.

Cat 5 is no longer used in new installations. If you (or anyone else reading this) are paying for rated speed over 100Mbps, you should switch out all your Ethernet cables for Cat 5e. Of course, you must also have a modem that supports the higher speeds. When I changed from 100 to 400, I had to buy a new modem (or rent the ISP's).

PS to PianoBilly, the OP, I live two hours north of NYC, and my ISP's trunk line is based much closer, in Westchester County. No problems on Tuesday.


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For the piddling sum of only $299 a month and if you live in certain areas of Georgia and Tennessee, you can get a 10,000 MBPS internet connection...lol

With 10,000 MBPS and VoIP I guess someone could answer your call before you made it...lol

Ah... The only thing wrong with instant gratification is it is just not quit quick enough.


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I'm on an old dual-phoneline DSL about two houses from the neighborhood phone box. I pay AT&T for "up to 100Mb", typically a little under. Hoping to get AT&T fiber here in the next year but I can't complain about the current speed, it works for me.

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LOL...I invited him to come over to eat whenever he wanted too.


That is a budgetary nightmare waiting to happen! I was a competitive eater for a few years.

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