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I am a multi decade user of BIAB win/dos etc.
5-10 years ago I purchased the Mac version of BIAB and found the experience to be .... [*****].
Since then, I have been told repeatedly that the Mac product has advanced to the point that both version are effectively the same +-. A few subtle differences.
Recently however, I read a post from one senior forum member saying still existed a noticeable difference between the 2 products. Wish I could remember the thread to contact poster directly.
I just ponied up the annual 2021 win version.
More and more I use my Mac for music.
BIAB and MP3gain are about my only Win music software holdouts.
I would like to crossgrade to the Mac platform at the next Mac release but would really like to know what to expect when I send PG music a few more of my $$$.
So,what gives between the Mac and Win BIAB products?
Thank you.
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I find differences every now and then but don't make a list of them.
I know the BB Plugin is identical for Mac/Win and can be easily compiled to Mac or Win. I don't know if it's because the programming they use for Biab as they are both programmed at different times, I think most crossplatform DAW's are the same and released at the same time.
I'm sure with the 2021 release there will be more Win features added.
If you do a basic crossgrade of the app only you can use your Win RealTracks directly if you have the wav version or convert the wma to wav or m4a.
I have the Mac app and just use my Win Audiophile drive with it.
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I recently upgraded my Windows OmniPAK Audiophile version to 2021 and got the Mac Audiophile 2020 also expecting to get everything (except for the programs that don't run on a Mac) as you do with Windows.
Boy was I dissapointed when I found out that none of the Xtra Style PAK's are included in the Mac Audiophile version and am going to have to shell out another $199 to get them.
Considering that the upgrade price was the same for both that makes the Mac version $199 (if you buy the Xtra PAK's)more expensive than Windows and you get less for your money (all the 'Other Products' that are not available for Macs).
Don't think I will bother with any further Mac updates unless they get a bit more 'Pocket Friendly' and will just have to run m Windows laptop alongside my keyboard rig and Mac.
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What you don't have on the Mac Audiophile drive you can copy from the Win Audiophile, you will just need to convert the wma style demos to m4a unless you have a default media player on Mac that will play wma, there are many that will do that.
The Win Audiophile drive works on Mac with a few modes like the RealTracsk/Library folder change to RealTracks/LibraryM & RealTracks/Direct Input/LibraryM
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I would stay focused on the Operating System, where I find MacOSX slightly more stable than Windows 10, and slightly better at handling drivers and peripherals. The hardware is expensive, but the lifetime appears better than a Windows PC. I have had my i7 Quadcore based MacBook Pro for almost 10 years now, and I'm yet to see a Windows PC provide such life span.
Windows 10 on the contrary offers more tools, more plugins and more software and cheaper hardware.
The whole thing boils down to what suits your needs best and if you work with Apples own products the integrated experienced works quite well.
BIAB on either platform - Windows is always approx 6 months earlier out in latest version, but with quite a number of patch upgrades. Until BIAB 2019 Mac users were left with very little bug fixing, but kudos PG Music for stepping up and deliver the need dot-releases with bug fixes.
Why do you consider changing from Windows to Mac - if Windows works well for you?
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<...snip...>. I have had my i7 Quadcore based MacBook Pro for almost 10 years now, and I'm yet to see a Windows PC provide such life span.<...> Now you have. I just retired a 2002 Windows XP ThinkPad. I play one-nighters for a living, and it travels in the van, changes temperature drastically and quickly, rocks on a keyboard stand all night (or day), gets back in the van, and back in the house from 2 to 6 nights a week (until COVID-19). It's still working. I replaced it with another old XP ThinkPad, a hand-me-down from desktop days. Since I put it on stage in 2002, I had one repair. The CMOS battery died, it keeps the clock running, and the new one cost $5 and was easy to replace. It has never crashed either. Probably because I don't have many apps on it, just the ones I need for work. My other 2002 ThinkPad was dropped, a hinge broke, and they no longer make replacement parts. It still works too. It had a hard disk starting to fail when it was about 10 years old, making a grinding noise as it spun. I replaced the HD and it's still working with a broken hinge. Mac makes great hardware, don't get me wrong, but they aren't the only company that does. I haven't had a Mac in a while. I write aftermarket styles for BiaB, and ever since the file data became identical, I have no need for two platforms anymore. So on one of the Apple update or perish incidents, I failed to update. I've been writing styles on the StyleMaker since it was introduced in the 1990s. I don't know if this has been resolved or not, but until I got to update or perish, the StyleMaker app on the PC was better, enabling me to write better styles if I use Windows. I have nothing against Mac OS. There are things I like better about Mac and things I like better about Windows, none of them are major. I had to choose Windows because it allows me to make better styles. My advice is that if you have both PC and Mac, and you use them equally, get the Windows version. On the other hand if you do most of your music on the Mac, you might be happier with the Mac version. Insights and incites by Notes
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I stand corrected :-) My statement was purely my own experience, and I was quite skeptical towards Mac, when I got my first in 2009.
Of all the Windows PCs I've owned (the counting is 9) - they typically wear out in about 3-4 years, and I run them the same way like I do with my Mac.....ok I don't use Windows PCs for music making since 2005'ish.
I haven't worked with StyleMaker (or something similar) since I tried out BAIB the first time in 2002 or 03, maybe that should be my thing to learn in 2021
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The StyleMaker is quite a well-thought-out piece of software. I've written styles under contract for a few other auto accompaniment hardware and software products, and BiaB has 'masks' in the StyleMaker that will allow a more musical output.
Instead of the same patterns repeating over and over and over, in the StyleMaker you can assign certain styles to appear only in certain musical situations. A simple example would be a bass run that in a situation where a V7 chord leads to a I chord and that I chord is at a marker, the appropriate bass line would play. In other instances of a V7 chord, a different bass line would play.
Like BiaB, the StyleMaker has its quirks and limitations. Some creative thinking can overcome some of those quirks and limitations, and it becomes a puzzle that needs to be solved.
Especially for someone who is a multi-instrumentalist and/or has good theory and arranging knowledge the StyleMaker is a wonderful tool and toy. It's a good teaching tool as well
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<...snip...>. I have had my i7 Quadcore based MacBook Pro for almost 10 years now, and I'm yet to see a Windows PC provide such life span.<...> Now you have. I just retired a 2002 Windows XP ThinkPad. I play one-nighters for a living, and it travels in the van, changes temperature drastically and quickly, rocks on a keyboard stand all night (or day), gets back in the van, and back in the house from 2 to 6 nights a week (until COVID-19). It's still working. I replaced it with another old XP ThinkPad, a hand-me-down from desktop days. Since I put it on stage in 2002, I had one repair. The CMOS battery died, it keeps the clock running, and the new one cost $5 and was easy to replace. It has never crashed either. Probably because I don't have many apps on it, just the ones I need for work. My other 2002 ThinkPad was dropped, a hinge broke, and they no longer make replacement parts. It still works too. It had a hard disk starting to fail when it was about 10 years old, making a grinding noise as it spun. I replaced the HD and it's still working with a broken hinge. Mac makes great hardware, don't get me wrong, but they aren't the only company that does. I haven't had a Mac in a while. I write aftermarket styles for BiaB, and ever since the file data became identical, I have no need for two platforms anymore. So on one of the Apple update or perish incidents, I failed to update. I've been writing styles on the StyleMaker since it was introduced in the 1990s. I don't know if this has been resolved or not, but until I got to update or perish, the StyleMaker app on the PC was better, enabling me to write better styles if I use Windows. I have nothing against Mac OS. There are things I like better about Mac and things I like better about Windows, none of them are major. I had to choose Windows because it allows me to make better styles. My advice is that if you have both PC and Mac, and you use them equally, get the Windows version. On the other hand if you do most of your music on the Mac, you might be happier with the Mac version. Insights and incites by Notes As an avid Mac user since the G4 era, and a user of both Pro Tools and Logic Pro, I can say that even though a 10-year-old Macbook should still perform admirably (albeit with perhaps a new battery and a Ram and SSD upgrade), nothing - and I mean absolutely nothing - will outlast a good Thinkpad. My experience is much the same as Norton - Thinkpads are near infinitely repairable, and that's when they actually do break which they don't often. Over the years I've had a Thinkpad 380E, 600E, A31, X200, T500, W520, X230, and T540. Every single one of them has a PDF hardware maintenance manual which tells you how to take it apart, put it back together, and the part numbers for everything. Of course you can get those parts direct from Lenovo, but I often found cheaper used parts from eBay as they are very easy to part out. A close second to a Thinkpad would be the HP Elitebooks - many of those are built very similarly to Thinkpads. A Mac, on the other hand, is a completely different story. 10 or more years ago they were easy to disassemble and repair, but since 2012 they've become increasingly more impossible to fix. My "current" 2012 Macbook Pro Retina model is basically glued together, and most parts can't be replaced easily if at all. But then again, if my option is to give up Mac OS and Logic Pro for Windows, you're gonna have to pry that unrepairable Macbook out of my cold dead fingers. PS: Between BIAB for Windows or for Mac, I'd choose Mac - sure, a couple features are missing, but it tends to be a lot more reliable compared to Windows, given how well the Mac Coreaudio system works.
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My first Mac was a Classic II. My first PC had DOS 5 and Windows 3.1 (at that time BiaB was DOS only), and I had an Atari/ST before them.
In the early days I found Macs much easier to use. Both PC and Mac have grown more user-friendly since then.
I'm not a tech guy, so I don't work on them, I just work with them. I took electronics in college, but it was mostly radio frequency communications, and I've forgotten all but the basics and general concepts. The guidance counselor recommended the communications option over the digital option, and like a fool, I listened to her.
I have no loyalty to either platform, I let the software that I use every day dictate which OS is for me. We all have our different needs.
To the OP, whichever BiaB you choose, I hope it works out the best for you.
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i'm with notes. (i agree also, old win thinkpads are good.)
i worked in tech for more than a few years. thus i'm familiar with lots of tech marketing strategies.
and, like notes, am not loyal to any particular platform.
if one peruses the recording forum gearslutz.com, where a lot of high end down to low end studio owners hang out, one will see that people move from win to mac, and also from mac to win.
the pros/cons of each platform are well documented on GS.
many studio owners even own both platforms.
also on there are lots of people that build their own systems or use a recording pc/system they have bought from a builder of custom win studio pc's that work day in/out without problem.
(yes youll pay more for a custom pc, but they work well. people are getting big trak/plug in counts with them. see GS threads.)
i feel what is most important is carefull computer selection. for example i carefully select low cost refurb win pc's for my studio set up that stay off the net.
for me , refurbs have worked a treat. i have not had one win problem. day in/out no problem.
i just installed the new audient evo interface on a win refurb . no problem.
frankly , in an age of rapid tech obsolescence; i'm not willing to spend lots of money on computers.
i dont need it, but just the other day i saw a win refurb i5 pc for a paltry 120 buks us dollars.
there are loads of refurb deals around for both win and mac.
for awhile now, ive been looking at older refurb macs with those nice xeon processors in.
not cos i dislike win, but purely i'm curious what logic daw can do for me on a 500 buk refurb mac.
as i said, in an age of rapid tech obsolescence; i'm not willing to spend lots of money on computers.
and i feel , what would really help particularly us poorer musicians , would be a reduction in some of the crazy high processor prices. thus i will wait till i9 win pc refurbs become plentifull.
if one wants a high end processor/system its getting like joining an elite country golf club.
only a few can afford it. sigh.
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Last edited by justanoldmuso; 01/01/21 06:46 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Who sells reliable refurbs?
I bought one a long time ago, and I ended up returning it.
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I used to be a first-call sax-for-hire musician at a local recording studio. Unfortunately the owner who was also the engineer had a massive stroke and closed the business.
He worked with both Mac and Windows computers. He had them side by side on the console.
I think the days of which platform is better are long gone, now it's which one is better for any individual user. They are both great OS's.
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notes. just trying to help you. desktop or laptop ? pg user etcjoe i notice perusing the pg forums is an advocate for refurbs like myself. see his post today (he bought from amazon.) this thread ; https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=633898#Post633898i cant vouch for usa cos i dont live there. and sometimes it IS a crapshoot. just gotta find a reliable supplier. but heres what i would do. 1. google pc win i5 i7 xeon ssd 16gb ram refurbished. this should bring up lots of companies that sell refurb systems. i notice for example that staples and best buy in usa sell refurbs, and there are lots of others. you are lucky. refurb prices in usa are very good. 2. make sure any refurb can be returned for refund in 30 days. 3. get a one year warranty. if you can. 4. if you can, get a system with 2 ssd's installed. one for win, and one for recording studio duties. 5. ideally you want a fast boot system. my refurb boots from cold around 9 secs. also, when you get a system, run realband action >> test audio performance. this test shows 190 traks on my refurb i5 system. if you want cheap pc processing "beasts" , check out hp z and lenovo xeon processor desktop workstation refurbs. around 500 buks or less. shop around. good luck ! hnyear. muso.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 01/02/21 05:04 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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I'd go direct to the source, Dell.com for a refurb Dell. They don't refurb but the computers they sell through their website is a Dell certified third party, are cost competitive and backed by a warranty.
JustAnOldMuso's suggestion to check Staples, Office Depot and OfficeMax is a good idea too. Walmart.com and Amazon.com are two good sources to look at for refurb desktops ot laptops.
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