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I have not used much yet but the i5 looks like it will do pretty good. It does not boot quite as fast as the i9 but not bad.
I had to make a new win 10 USB install drive. I guess they have changed some stuff in the last few months.
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“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
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I'm running an i5 chip in my DAW and it works well. Of course, I'm also running XP Pro 32 bit.... sooooo......
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What generation of i5 chips do you guys have? There's a big difference between the oldest and the newest i5 chips: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i5-750S-vs-Intel-i5-11600KF/1659vs4261Funny enough, I don't own anything with an i5 in it, even though they're very respectable chips. My 3 machines have Xeon, i7, and Core 2 Duo, and the current gen i5's are more powerful than all three combined!
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Simon.
this new gen of i5's are starting to look very interesting.
what i'm wondering is...is intel going to start dropping the
prices of its powerfull processors in response to apple
doing its own M1 processor design. ?
i hope within a few years now a user wont have to pay a couple of k for a powerfull system in order to get the big
trak/plug in counts some users need.
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My i5 chip is most likely in the older generation. The machine is easily 12+ years old at this point. I think it was commissioned for duty in 2008. I built it from the specs on a custom DAW building web site. I chose the i5 Intel chip for it's performance specs and price vs the i7 that was also available and not wanting to go with the i3.
It's actually a quad core and can run 64bits if I was to upgrade the OS. But, it's not hindering my process, so I shall use it as is until it dies.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Simon.
this new gen of i5's are starting to look very interesting.
what i'm wondering is...is intel going to start dropping the
prices of its powerfull processors in response to apple
doing its own M1 processor design. ?
i hope within a few years now a user wont have to pay a couple of k for a powerfull system in order to get the big
trak/plug in counts some users need.
best
om The 11th gen i5's are about on par with the M1, with the i5-11600 having roughly the same performance. Of course, the M1 loses about 30% of it's power when emulating x86 putting it on par with a 10th gen i5-10400F, but native ARM apps get the full speed. Keep in mind we're comparing a 15-watt mobile CPU/GPU combo to a 65-watt desktop-class CPU that may or may not have a built-in GPU, and those are some seriously impressive numbers. It's not just Apple's M1 chip that Intel has to worry about - Windows for ARM exists already, particularly with the newer Microsoft Surface. We're already in a golden age of computing really - I mean, the current lowest end i3 that's available for under a hundred bucks vastly outperforms the dual Xeons in my 12-year-old Mac. If my 2009 Mac Pro can handle huge projects with ease, what's stopping a new sub-$500 desktop from doing that? I mean, we all want the most powerful thing out there (I'm currently spec'ing an i9 machine) but how much power do we really need?
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Simon, I am not sorry I built the i9 machine but it really does not buy me much of anything I don't get out of the new i5 I just finished. It's only issue if any is it is a LGA 1151.
Intel Core i9-9900K Desktop Processor 8 Cores up to 5.0GHz Unlocked LGA1151 300 Series 95W (BX806849900K) cost me $330.
Intel Core i5-10600K Desktop Processor 6 Cores up to 4.8 GHz Unlocked LGA1200 (Intel 400 Series Chipset) 125W cost me $214
For those two there is only $115 bucks difference. That was really why I got the i9 processor to begin with. Not much difference in price.
Now, if you are looking at a Intel Core i9-10920X Desktop Processor 12 Cores up to 4.8GHz Unlocked LGA2066 X299 Series 165W, that will cost you close to $700 bucks.
There was a good bit of difference in the ROG STRIX Z390-E GAMING motherboard around $400 and the GIGABYTE Z490 AORUS Elite AC (Intel LGA1200/Z490/ATX/2xM.2 Thermal Guard/Realtek ALC1200/SATA 6Gb/s/USB 3.2 Gen 2/Intel 802.11ac/2.5 GbE LAN/RGB Fusion/Gaming Motherboard)at $240
I assume some people need all the horse power they can get. I don't get more than thirty tracks deep into a song and am not having any issue with the i5 or i9.
Heavy duty graphics work could be another issue but I am not involved in that.
I have one gig internet up and down. Some days it is more like 850 but nothing is slowing down on my end. All that speed did not buy me anything the other night downloading some stuff from Toontracks.
I guess what all this means is how much money can anyone really afford or want to spend. I have a brand new car and a 2008 Nissan Titan. Guess which one I drive 99% of the time?...lol
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Simon. what i'm wrestling with right now is what is the smart move regarding upgradeing to a new pc. (your comment bout the new i3 has me pondering if refurbs are still the way to go.) for the budget minded musician ? just one example. lets take the scenario, for arguments sake... the musician might run 48 traks , all with 3 plug ins per trak (i know its difficult depending on cpu useage of plug in, so lets say pg or reaps low cpu plugs), and lets assume a desktop running 2 ssd's; one for win 11 and one to record to with 16 gigs ram. question. what processor installed in a under 500 buk pc will do the above, plus.... a. fast boot from cold in a few secs. (like my current never sees the net optimised i5 system.) b. 3 minute song , gives me fastest possible mixdown time. c. run biab, rband and reaps like a bunny rabbit. ie app boots in a couple of secs. new budget i3 ? i5 ? ryzen type cpu ? OR still a refurb ? OR should someone save their pennies, and go "all in " on a threadripper type amd system ? (and eat porridge for a year or two..lol.) eg from a builder that specialises in custom builds for recording studios. ie like some of the big recording studios use ? ie turnkey ? eg purrfect audio or adk or scan or one of the others. (simon...ever looked at dawbench ? interesting testing suite.)>>> https://dawbench.libsyn.com/best oldmuso billy !...nah this is my fav car. when i win the lottery...lol. ITS FUN ! >>> https://www.caterhamcars.com/en/models/the-iconic-range
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A phrase mentioned many times on these forums..... "Buy as much as you can comfortably afford." I lucked into a massive discount on that tank of a Dell tower I have that has tons of cores/memory. It still cost $3K from Ebay as it was a refurb. Retail pricing for all that processor and memory power that came with it was $10K. So based on that huge discount, I was willing to part with my $$$. I've had it three years now and it's still running faster than a lot of 'normal' PCs.
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For what its worth, I used to be a 100% Intel man. I've built a number of computers for myself and friends over the years and never even considedered puttting anything other than an Intel CPU in any of them......until my most recent build. AMD has completely eclipsed Intel in almost every way. I looked at the newest generation of Intel CPUs before doing my latest build and it was obvious to me that Intel is no longer taking the lead in invoation and have let AMD leapfrog them and start leading the way. The Ryzen family of AMD CPUs, is the way to go IMHO.
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i agree with you. your threadripper system looks superb.
what sound device are you useing with that system ?
please could you post some stats as i'm haveing trouble finding threadripper daw stats ...eg.
1. how long does it take your system to boot from cold start till you see win main screen ?
2. what mixdown saveings in time taken do you see over your previous pc ?
3. in realband action>>test audio performance (yes i know its a crude test) ,,
what trak number is reported versus your previous system ?
any other stats would be also usefull. eg max trak/plug in counts/rough ideas. app load times with big trak/plug in counts. any idea of round trip latency for that system etc etc.
yeah i know some stats are tuff to measure.
has there been measureable differences in biab generation
times versus your previous pc ?
i am sure biab and realband are running like bunny rabbits on that rig.
best/thanks.
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1. how long does it take your system to boot from cold start till you see win main screen ?
I'll answer this first question then defer the rest for a few weeks. From the time that I push the ON button to getting a windows 10 desktop is in the vicinity of 14 seconds with what will probably be my most common set up although just playing around with various configurations I've gotten as low as 7 second boot times. Main reasons for the rapid boots are the ASROCK motherboard which has a setting that gives it a post time of around 3 seconds. Turning off the fast boot mode on the MB pushes the overall boot time up to around 30 seconds. I'm booting from Western Digital BLACK SN850 NVME Generation 4 2TB M.2 SSD drives which are crazy fast. For now, I'm still using my Focusrite as the primary sound and a Tascam conroller surface although I'm contemplating the purchase of one or two Steven Slate Audio RAVEN MTi2 Multi-Touch Production Consoles if I can deterine that they are compatible with the rest of my system. I'm setting this up as a triple boot system with one drive booting up to a dedicated gaming PC, one for video rendering, and the third for all audio functions. Since I'm having to go through all of my programs and plugins on my old PC so I can deactivate them and transfer them to the new, I've not yet done a lot of audio testing on the new rig, still using the old until I'm sure I can make a relatively smooth transition to the new system. I did some experimenting on the old machine simpling cloning the hard drive and using it in the same machine and it knocked out a number of things on the cloned drive including BIAB, Addictive Drums, Vegas, and Sound Forge all of which seemed to think they were on different computers rather than just cloned versions of the same drive. I'm setting a deadline for myself of labor day to have the audio stuff transfered so I'll try to have some more answers for you then on how it is performing.
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Simon, I am not sorry I built the i9 machine but it really does not buy me much of anything I don't get out of the new i5 I just finished. It's only issue if any is it is a LGA 1151.
Intel Core i9-9900K Desktop Processor 8 Cores up to 5.0GHz Unlocked LGA1151 300 Series 95W (BX806849900K) cost me $330.
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I guess what all this means is how much money can anyone really afford or want to spend. I have a brand new car and a 2008 Nissan Titan. Guess which one I drive 99% of the time?...lol The i9 is theoretically about 30% more powerful than that i5, however as you said, you might not notice any difference depending on what you do. And personally, depending on which new car it is, I might also prefer the old Nissan - this is why I still have my 2005 Pontiac. Simon.
what i'm wrestling with right now is what is the smart move regarding upgradeing to a new pc.
(your comment bout the new i3 has me pondering if refurbs are still the way to go.)
for the budget minded musician ?
just one example. lets take the scenario, for arguments sake...
the musician might run 48 traks , all with 3 plug ins per trak (i know its difficult depending on cpu useage of plug in, so lets say pg or reaps low cpu plugs), and lets assume a desktop running 2 ssd's; one for win 11 and one to record to with 16 gigs ram.
question. what processor installed in a under 500 buk pc will do the above, plus....
a. fast boot from cold in a few secs. (like my current never sees the net optimised i5 system.)
b. 3 minute song , gives me fastest possible mixdown time.
c. run biab, rband and reaps like a bunny rabbit.
ie app boots in a couple of secs. Many of the refurbs you've suggested have a 4th gen i5 or i7 in them, and these are often adequate for basic music purposes. For a decent budget brand new CPU the lowest current i3 and the equally low priced Ryzen chips will mop the floors with most of those 4th gen chips - see this link for comparisons: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-4770-vs-Intel-i3-10105-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-3300X-vs-Intel-i7-4930K-vs-Intel-Xeon-X5570/1907vs4259vs3716vs2023vs1302The 4770 is a very common chip for refurbs, but see the benchmark vs the 10105 and 3300X, both are around $150? No comparison. For fun I put in the benchmarks of my two home computers - you'll notice the 4930K is much faster than the 4770 as it's 6-core and runs on a Xeon motherboard, but you'll also notice the X5570 - I have a pair of those in my old Mac Pro (so double the benchmark to ~6500 or so) and it'll chew through audio like nobody's business. The difference comes down to the other components, as the CPU only crunches the numbers. Everything else determines how quickly data gets into the CPU so that it can be processed. Billy's i9-9900K machine would feel awfully slow if it had only 2gb of ram, a 5400rpm hard drive, and an old GPU of some sort. Toss an SSD into my old X5570 Mac and load it with 48gb of ram though, and it handles everything I need. Your A/B/C questions - most of that depends on fast data access, which means SSD. You might not see/feel much difference in CPU speed if your storage is fast and you have adequate RAM. Really only plugins will require the faster CPu. A phrase mentioned many times on these forums..... "Buy as much as you can comfortably afford." I lucked into a massive discount on that tank of a Dell tower I have that has tons of cores/memory. It still cost $3K from Ebay as it was a refurb. Retail pricing for all that processor and memory power that came with it was $10K. So based on that huge discount, I was willing to part with my $$$. I've had it three years now and it's still running faster than a lot of 'normal' PCs. I fully agree with that, though I also say "buy something that can be upgraded". I paid a fair chunk for my old Mac Pro, but had I bought it brand new it would've likely been over $10k as well - list price for it new with a mere 6gb of RAM, a 640gb HDD, and the lowest end GeForce GT 120 was nearly $6k, and I've since added in a 512gb SSD, 2tb HDD, SATA 3 card, USB3, Geforce GTX 960, and 48gb of ram. For what its worth, I used to be a 100% Intel man. I've built a number of computers for myself and friends over the years and never even considedered puttting anything other than an Intel CPU in any of them......until my most recent build. AMD has completely eclipsed Intel in almost every way. I looked at the newest generation of Intel CPUs before doing my latest build and it was obvious to me that Intel is no longer taking the lead in invoation and have let AMD leapfrog them and start leading the way. The Ryzen family of AMD CPUs, is the way to go IMHO. I agree - the Ryzen chips are definitely taking the lead in both processing power and in efficiency - the top end Ryzen 5950X at the time of this writing not only outperforms the top end i9 10980XE by 36%, it uses 37% less electricity in the process - meaning 37% less heat.
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im heavy into mini pc now.
had no probs...ryzen.cpu...storage...m.2 etc. very low.internal microsound latency....see my tips in pg tips forum...acquiring a pc..for a link to a web site that tests internal microsound latency
as well as a link to latency testing software.
the biggest mistake ive seen from helping daw users over the years is people often get any old pc so they sometimes get probs.
my new pc boots into win and bb and rb in just a few secs.
but ymmv im not a believer in zillion tracks and plugins that bring a pc to its knees....im a believer in as i was told in a big studio once...if the songs good...you should be able to do it with 40 tracks max !...lol.
in summary...the type of pc you need will be dictated by your needed max track and p!ug in counts as well as are the plugins needing heavy pc resources....??
i took a flyer on a mini pc from amazon for peanuts...because i had 30 days to test it out and return it if unhappy....i kept it as i was rather impressed by its capabilities.
if your open minded with modest needs re tracks and plugins like me check out geekcom and beelink and other mini pc builders.
most importantly get a decent usb audio interface with ultra low latency...see pg tips forum again...a looongaudio interface thread.
i dont recommend specifical pc components eg mainboards or pc systems etc etc cos production runs and tech is so changeable and i dont know yourmax track and plugin needs.
what might work for me might not for you.
would suggest like me you get a 30 day pc return thus giving you testing time with your apps.
i recommed m.2 plus processors with high single thread performance..eg above 3000...see passmark web site for performance tables for each processor.
happiness.
om
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Whatever you buy, don't tweak the CPU. If you're making music, you want stability, not the last ounce of speed.
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Whatever you buy, don't tweak the CPU. If you're making music, you want stability, not the last ounce of speed. Good advice. I definitely concur. Overclocking can lead to problems that are extremely difficult to identify / resolve.
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Whatever you buy, don't tweak the CPU. If you're making music, you want stability, not the last ounce of speed. Good advice. I definitely concur. Overclocking can lead to problems that are extremely difficult to identify / resolve. Agreed. I also recommend getting a lower wattage CPU, as those are easier to keep cool (and stable) without having to deal with fan noise. For example, look at the 13900T or 7900 instead of the 13900K and 7950X, as they're both low wattage CPU's which have WAY more than enough power for audio work. The slowest of those is over 4x as powerful as your 4960X already... My previous computer had an i9-9900K, and even with the biggest and best CPU cooler (without going to water cooling) it still managed to hit 100° regularly. By comparison my super-low-wattage M1 never gets warm, and I can't hear the fans.
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for all you geeks out there...lmao. a bit of fun. even tho im a pc user i thought the mac m4 mini was a heck of a performer price wise.... very impressed...BUT...heres the kicker... notice the capabilities and expandability of this minisforum re the m4 mac mini. blows my blinking mind. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=MINISFORUM+MS+a+1+Ryzen+9+mini+pc+vs+mac+m4+mini&mid=CA0EC28C1F33C62394BACA0EC28C1F33C62394BA&FORM=VIREeg...notice the 4 ssd slots...!.. things are getting very interesting... notice the processor and other upgrade capabilities of thr minisforum mini pc. as always i suggest one tests useing the 30 day return window. minisforum has lots of competition of course in the mini pc market. happiness. om
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By comparison my super-low-wattage M1 never gets warm, and I can't hear the fans. The only way I know that my M1 and M2 have fans is when I run a diagnostic utility that tests them and they run full for a few seconds. Both are way overkill for everything I do except video editing where the GPU horsepower comes in quite handy, especially my M2 Ultra. Had I waited a year, I could have bought an M4 Mini Pro and saved a couple thousand dollars. Oh well… glad I didn’t wait because of the work I was able to do during that year but still…
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something is telling me we are coming into the age of amazing mini pc's that are not just powerfull but also a reasonable cost.
for example a few months back as i was very happy with my new ry mini pc for music production i took a flyer on a fanless mini pc costing 140 bucks just for net use and mucking around. i wasnt expecting much as its got a low single thread score processor for music production....ie.. it wasnt meant for music production...but its usefull for also playing yt gear vid reviews.
i thought i wonder if it would even load up bb or rb.
much to surprise it did. took about 20 secs to open bb compared to my ryzen mini thats blinkin fast at a few secs. once open it even generated bb tracks at a
decent pace considering the base clock of the processor is under 2ghz.
rb reported much to my surprise it would do 70 tracks.
much as some knock bb re needing an overhaul i was pretty darn impressed.
well done pg.
of course it wouldnt be able to handle resource heavy plugins.
but for maybe just setting up a chord sheet in bb and generating it wasnt a slouch either.
by comparison on my ry production mini pc rb reports over 200 track capability.
in reality i always halve what rb tells me as to max track count...
to allow a comfort zone.
so...35 tracks for the fanless used for the net and 100 tracks for the ry production pc which never sees the net.
im stoked on this whole mini pc market.
at the same time i wait with some degree of excitement re apples M silicon.
and how much better than m4 will m5 and m6 be assuming such come out.
i notice some win mini pc's are starting to include usb 4 which is crazy fast.
@Mike...Mike Apple is really doing some very nice tech imho.
my only critique of the mini...and correct me if im wrong....is its lack of expandability ?
whereas im seeing win mini pc's with all sorts of expandability...eg memory up to 64gb.
and now multiple ssd's and usb 4 and powerfull processors plus fancy things like hanging off fancy gpu's.
@PG Simon. gotta agree with 'watching ones wattage'.
its the reaon why i went with the ry 7 processor...ie...its a pretty low wattage processor.
but it can go up to 4.2 hz. bb and rb are hardly ticking over with it as is reaps.
interesting times...bring on the 20 ghz processors...lol.
happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 02/27/25 03:19 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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