Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes

In this case, I would say that Joe is being rather aggressively UN-creative, and so gets zero creativity points, but presumably there are creative individuals in the hierarchy of contractors and subcontractors he commands. Some will be human, some will be automata; let's give credit where credit is due without ontological prejudice. Some of that creativity will be in the present production process, in the supervision of automata, and some of it will be in the past development of those tools. The most interesting question may be how much of this creativity isn't human any more.


Mark, I agree fully. Joe Novice wasn't musically creative in the least. I very much respect musically creative individuals but I can't say I respect Joe Novice for his musical creativity. To do so would cheapen what it means to be musically creative.

"Musical creativity is therefore proposed as the process of combining existing musical knowledge in new ways, to produce original and fitting musical outcomes. These outcomes typically take the form of improvisations, compositions, arrangements, and performances." . . . Not my definition but I agree with it.

A strong argument could be made for "Alexa" being musically creative but not Joe.

Your question of how much creativity isn't human anymore is an important question to think about. Human strength and endurance has long been exceeded by our tools and systems. Likewise, computers far exceed our capabilities to compute. More recently, technology can now construct poems and music, a domain that for generations we thought was exclusively human. And the quality of such artificially creative art can only improve with time. The next step may be artificial systems that can actually think, ponder, wonder and apply (or choose to not apply) moral and ethical values to a situation. Just like fire or the stone axe, technology can be used to uplift the human condition or to degrade it.

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