Thanks for sharing your thoughts Matt and Jim. I'm familiar with Control Devices and own or have owned several different brands and models of controllers and used others in live environments. If control surface capability is added to BIAB, I'll certainly embrace and use it. My earlier comments were made to learn more about how users will integrate into their workflow. As stated, what seems to be the current preferred method is to mix, edit, pan and level tracks in a DAW. It also appears controllers have limited appeal and benefit to BIAB from past experience and the lack of discussion and participation in the BIAB forums.

I agree with both Matt and Jim there's advantages to remain in BIAB as long as possible and in fact I complete my projects, those for fun and any serious project, solely in BIAB since around 2017 as far as I can determine. The reason I can do this is mostly my use of the Audio Editor, RealTrack Medley Maker, the Audio Track and the Artist Performance Track feature. The perception that BIAB was once limited to Seven Tracks and an Audio Track has never been a limitation or a barrier to publish songs consisting of dozens of instruments.

With these tools I can output a finished stereo mix indistinguishable from a DAW project and have as many instruments I want to include in my song, automate volume levels, panning and create professional grade smooth transitions, cross fades, fade in, fade out all with quality FX's like reverb, compression and eq.

My familiarity with both BIAB's advanced editing and mixing techniques and Midi Controllers make me lean toward the better work flow is to continue with BIAB for track generation and external DAWs and controllers to mix and automate these tracks.

In regard to Matt's tweaking, if it's limited to volume, panning, Fx, or EQ adjustments, there's no need to return from the DAW to BIAB for that task. If a track needs tweaking with multi riff or regeneration or even replacing an instrument or regenerating an entire song due to changing tempo, key signature , style or chord progression, there's no need for a midi controller. He has a controller and likely it would be convenient to his well established workflow but I don't know how that translates to the broader BIAB user base.

In regard to Jim's main purpose for a controller to pan a track with his eyes closed, I explained to him how to that in BIAB... wink

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