Thanks Jim i appreciate the thoughs, i will try some of that. I do not want to sound like a whinner, for the most part i usually defend the host against VSTi issues as I appreciate that the host does not have the responsibility to make their program run ever different Plug in out there. It is the responsibility of the plug in makeer to make a plug that runs in most host. VSTi is a certain code project and everyone does it a bit different. The reason for my frustration is that ST has always at least worked in BiaB. RB and PTPa to some degree. For me it never worked perfectly, as it always had small issues, that i had to work around, but nothing major. One was that every time i switch from VSC to ST for a tracki have to adjust the volume in the track cause ST comes out of the gate full volume, adjusting the fader in the track allows RB to take control over the knob in ST.

I have VSC as thed efault because RB would not allow me to save the setup using ST as the default. I could open ST and insert the sampels and it played flawlessly until i saved and closed the song then reopened and ST would be empty. So i resetup VSC as the default and ST in the rack as synth 1, this allowed saving and everything was flowing opena dn reopen songs at my leisure and all was right, the sound was great and it was cool. Then the jukebox issue raised it's head. i entered about 7 songs in the juke box by hitting "ADD SONG" and a box popped up saying that i had no midi setup, and i click okay and it erased the st from all the songs in the jukebox as if they never had it inserted.

The problem here was that it acted out of character, in that it allowed me to insert ST in the no. 1 synth slot and open it, and it allowed me to choose the samples and it played them. But why did that cause the elimination of the synth? I would imagine because that pop up box had to do with something in my setup, that i am unaware of. If this was the only thing i ever had to deal with in VSTi use with RB i would just cry for 5 minutes and start over, but there have been other issues that i wish could be fixed. 1. jamstix does not work, we all know that and are waiting, 4front piano, bass, and electric piano does not allow you to control the volume at all. There have been issues with PS fretted , and even other ST issues.

These are all issue with the plugins in part, but the fact remains that everyone of these plugins works flawlessly with Cakewalk MC 3 and 5, Multitrackstudio, Reaper, and AcidPro for me on my system. No matter how much i love PG products, that tells me that there is still some issue with the VST technology inside their code. I remember when i was using Cakewalk MC 2003, it had to use a wrapper to use VST plugins, and some worked great and others were kinda rough at times. When MC 3 came out the wrapper was eliminated and VST became far more stable. I know that PG does not use a wrapper they have native VST implimentation, so the problem must be in the coding. At that same time i had PTPA 10, and it did not use VSTi it was DXi compliant, and that was a limiting factor for me. I used ST in it because it was both VSTi and DXi. I upgraded to version 11 for VSTi and it seems that the progress stopped there.

Anyway i got 5 or 6 of them fixed last night, and will have them all by this evening. No Jukebox for me until i figure out how without a blowout. I will most likely use small folders for short sets, numbered for order. a little more work, but no danger.

HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.