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So in that post you got to turn back ti-ime??
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I see Chet finally got mentioned. I didn't see Tommy Emmanuel on here, either, but maybe I missed it. There are certain players, certain musicians who can transcend genres, and there are a few out there Just because a player doesn't play a particular style doesn't mean they can't, or won't. I also didn't see mention of Oliver Gannon on here, either, and he consistently ranks high in Canadian jazz scene as a fantastic jazz guitarist. How many of you use some of his tracks in BIAB? 
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Perhaps "The best jazz guitarists of all time" is not the right name.
Some of the best? Some of the best famous?
One thing I learned in music, is no matter how good you are, there is always someone better, and always someone not a good as you are.
I met Tom Scott back in the 1980s. We were the house band at a Hyatt Hotel, and Tom was staying there while leading a band for Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gormé.
He told me, and I paraphrase, "I know there is a sax player, probably playing in a Holiday Inn in a place like Valparaiso Indiana that could put me in his back pocket, but I was in the right place, at the right time, with the right connections, I showed up straight, and I could do the job, so I got the break."
To expand on that, somewhere in a house band there is a guitar player that could put many of those "best" guitarists to shame, but he/she isn't in the right place at the right time and doesn't have the right connections.
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... but he/she isn't in the right place at the right time and doesn't have the right connections. Or just doesn't want the pressures of the bigger circuits. I've known a few people who have had breaks with big bands and quit after a short while for their own sanity/comfort.
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When touring and opening up for major acts in concert, a few of them told me that they had more fun when they were up-and-coming than they did once that made it. There were pressures, schedules, promotional appearances and the feeling that they were a cog in a giant wheel. However, not one of those people told me that they would quit the big time and big money and then go back to being small-time. I 'almost' made the big time once. Our manager and the label couldn't agree on money (the label wanted to p i m p us) so the deal fell through. We were severely disappointed at that time, and it broke the band up. I went back to 6 days a week, and 5 hours a night for 1/4 the money. Decades later, I realize it just was part of life's adventure, and to be treated as a peer by the stars of the day was an experience most musicians never get. Another good thing about never attaining stardom is that I'm not a has-been.  Since then, other than 2 attempts at being normal, I have made my life doing music and nothing but music. Again, I'm luckier than most. I'm having a happy life, living it on my own terms and instead of saying "I have to go to work today", I say, "I GET to go to work today." And that's a good way to live. Long ago I quit comparing myself to the great sax players. I do try to learn from them, and even the passive listening I do for my own enjoyment gets internalized and comes out in little ways. And (back on topic) there is no definitive 'greatest' list in any of the arts. Was Picasso better than Dali? Was Stan Getz better than John Coltrane? How about Maria Callas vs. Renée Fleming? Mikhail Baryshnikov vs. Rudolf Nureyev? Muddy Waters vs. B.B. King? Tchaikovsky vs. Shostakovitch? Tolstoy vs. Dostoyevsky? When it comes to art, it's a matter of taste. My greatest might not agree with your greatest and we could both be right --- or wrong. It doesn't matter. Just enjoy what you like. I like quite a few on that list, some don't speak to me musically, but I don't dislike any of them and they are all worthy. Insights and incites by Notes ♫
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And (back on topic) there is no definitive 'greatest' list in any of the arts. Was Picasso better than Dali? Was Stan Getz better than John Coltrane? How about Maria Callas vs. Renée Fleming? Mikhail Baryshnikov vs. Rudolf Nureyev FWIW, I personally and generally have more respect for the 'jobbing' people than the stars and high-flyers. The session people, the soap actors, the repertory theatre actors, people like yourselves delivering night after night, a great many buskers and street entertainers/artists, because they pretty much all deliver great performances, time after time and often with a very quick turnaround. The people where ad-libs and improvisation and covering up for failures of self and others are second nature. For me, these are the true 'bests', even when I've never previously heard of them.
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I was going to mention Chet Atkins as he did record some straight jazz tunes.
I had the good luck and the pleasure of meeting Chet many years ago. We were doing our gig and I mentioned that I tried being in a jazz band but pop cover songs paid the mortgage. Chet said that he always wanted to be a jazz player, but he knew which side of the bread was buttered. We both agreed that we are happy doing what we are doing, but the challenges of jazz would be interesting. Notes ♫ I had that almost exact conversation with Chet at the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society meeting one year. He sat next to me for Martin Taylor's set one afternoon. While we were waiting for it to start, we talked about jazz and he talked about how he had wanted to do that almost exclusively but needed to make a living!! His skills as a player are well known and his skills as a producer are too. He was very talented in many ways and a very nice person to meet as well!
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These lists are mostly meant to get clicks or eyeballs or views or plays however they are presented. I agree with Notes and I am sure many others commenting here, there can never be a definitive list of "best" when it comes to art. It is in the eyes and ears of the beholder. Plenty of good discussion here though. I can listen to Django, Martin Taylor, Joe Pass, Tommy Mottola, Chet Atkins, Tommy Emmanuel for hours on end and always be amazed and entertained. While certainly not a big jazz guy, I do like a lot of jazz players!
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I had that almost exact conversation with Chet at the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society meeting one year. He sat next to me for Martin Taylor's set one afternoon. While we were waiting for it to start, we talked about jazz and he talked about how he had wanted to do that almost exclusively but needed to make a living!! <...> We all have to make a living, and sometimes doing your second favorite type of music is the one that will pay the mortgage. I'd love to play jazz, and did it for a while, but I don't know if I would want to play it exclusively. I'd miss the power of rock, the angst of blues, the rhythms of salsa, and so on. But I'm lucky. In my present situation, I get to play a little of almost every type of pop music. That is everything but Heavy Metal and Rap. A duo can't do justice to Heavy Metal, and I just can't talk fast enough to do Rap. I can sneak in a little light jazz if I want to, but on most days I'm content to play pop music, and interact with the audience. I give them what they want, music they know by heart, and they give me what I want, applause, love and the ability to make a living doing music and nothing but music. I told you I was lucky. Notes ♫
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I'd love to play jazz, and did it for a while, but I don't know if I would want to play it exclusively. I'd miss the power of rock, the angst of blues, the rhythms of salsa, and so on For a long, long, time I didn't realise that my primary musical interest is jazz, though I have a broad view of what constitutes jazz. It was really only the jazz-funk fusion stuff of the 70s and 80s that made me look deeper into what drive my tastes, and I started to realise that an awful lot of what I liked was played by jazz-oriented musicians playing some of what they wanted to play in other contexts that "weren't jazz". I also note the number of people I've know who "don't like jazz", but do like what I play (both as a maybe-musician and from my music collection).
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I'd love to play jazz, and did it for a while, but I don't know if I would want to play it exclusively. I'd miss the power of rock, the angst of blues, the rhythms of salsa, and so on For a long, long, time I didn't realise that my primary musical interest is jazz, though I have a broad view of what constitutes jazz. It was really only the jazz-funk fusion stuff of the 70s and 80s that made me look deeper into what drive my tastes, and I started to realise that an awful lot of what I liked was played by jazz-oriented musicians playing some of what they wanted to play in other contexts that "weren't jazz". I also note the number of people I've know who "don't like jazz", but do like what I play (both as a maybe-musician and from my music collection). I think some people hear the term jazz and then they think of some esoteric thing they heard 20 years ago that is hard for many people to like. There are some wild crazy out there performances in jazz, but there is plenty of very good "mainstream" jazz that just about anyone that likes music will find something to like. Just like many genres, jazz has so many subcategories and some are just not what "most" people like. But it only matters what you like and what I like for our own entertainment.
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only matters what you like and what I like for our own entertainment. ... and the paying customers. Aye, there's the rub.
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As far as the customers are concerned, at least for the market that I chose, I'm easy.
When I was 40, I chose the retirement market. At that time it was mostly American Songbook era jazz, Frank Sinatra, Louis Prima, Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Cole Porter, Count Basie, and so on.
As time went on the older folks moved into nursing homes and we started playing Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly era songs. After that Beatles era, and now Seger, Motown, Sting, etc.
I've always been able to mix C&W of the same era, Caribbean and Latin American music (it is Florida), and some blues, as long as any of these genres is not too hard core. It's easy to turn everybody's music into nobody's music if you veer too deep and one direction. For example, we might do Maxie Priest's "Close To You" with a rap section in the middle, and the people like it, but if we did hard core rap, it would turn them off.
I chose a good market for South Florida, as I have never been out of work until COVID, and now that COVID has settled down, I'm doing up to 20 gigs a month again.
But like I said, I'm easy. I like music from every genre, and I like performing. I even enjoy playing songs I would never choose to put in my personal listening playlist. It's just fun to play music, and if they want to hear Mustang Sally, or Brown Eyed Girl again, I'm into it.
I give them what they want, songs they know by heart. They give me what I want, applause, love, and the ability to make a living by doing music and nothing but music.
Life is good today.
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As far as the customers are concerned, at least for the market that I chose, I'm easy.
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But like I said, I'm easy. I like music from every genre, and I like performing. I even enjoy playing songs I would never choose to put in my personal listening playlist. It's just fun to play music, and if they want to hear Mustang Sally, or Brown Eyed Girl again, I'm into it.
I give them what they want, songs they know by heart. They give me what I want, applause, love, and the ability to make a living by doing music and nothing but music.
Life is good today.
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You are not easy Notes, you are very smart. Give the audience what they want and you will get many jobs. Your philosophy was the same as mine when I ran my wedding band. Although we were only weekend warriors we had a very good avocation. Gigging was fun and profitable for us also.
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I figure it's the same with any business. Give them what they want, and they will give you what you want.
Or, as Donna Summer sings in "Bad Girls", a song about -- how should I put it -- the ladies of the night.
Mister, do you want to spend some time,
I got what you want, you got what I need,
I'll be your baby if you spend it on me.
In this biz, I've known some of those "working girls" and I respect them. It's not an easy profession.
I get to play music, and live my life on my own terms. We are self-employed too.
If working 40 hours a week as a wage slave for some faceless corporation isn't selling your body, I don't know what is.
I guess I'm drifting off-topic. But then, any thread that goes on long enough drifts off-topic. That makes it like a conversation in a coffee shop.
Many musicians I have known have had a secret desire to play jazz or classical, but play pop music. The famous studio musicians known as "The Wrecking Crew" were jazz cats, but they recorded much of the pop music that is the soundtrack of our lives.
Others have classical backgrounds, you can see those influences in many pop songs.
Back when I was an AFofM union member, I remember reading an interview with a retired country music piano player. He said, "Don't let the suits know you are secretly into jazz, because they really believe in this kind of music."
I think having experience in other genres than your chosen one is a good thing.
And to add, what is Jazz anyway? Dixieland, Glenn Miller/Duke Ellington era swing, Cool School, Bop, Funk, Fusion and so on???
Anyway, I enjoyed the list and they were all fine players.
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Joe pass and Wes Montgomery have to be mentioned in the conversation!
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Joe pass and Wes Montgomery have to be mentioned in the conversation! Torrey, Joe Pass is number 9 on the list and Wes is number 1.
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How's It Going . Read Your Article I'm a retired Guitar Player Disco Era 16 Years on Road. I Have arthritis Hand So I Play Bass & Took up Harmonica in Covid. love doing Standards & Old Popo Tunes Charts I'm An Ex Berklee Guy Great Chord Chops & Love My BNB 2023. A few friends
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