Originally Posted by Bass Thumper
If I put my romantic, poetic, musical and perhaps mystical hat on, I hope that an AI will never create a symphony as good as Beethoven or any other master. I revere these brilliant musical geniuses; I can't see myself revering an AI bot.

Did you know Ludwig very well?

You need to be able to separate the dancer rom the dance. Many people don't know what that means so I will explain.

You can go to a dance performance and it can be a sloppy dance routine, but the dancer performs it well.

You can go to see a band and they do a horrible original song, but the singer performs it will.

The bad song doesn't mean it's a bad singer.

That works the other way too. You never met Beethoven. Maybe he was a gigantic [*****]. That doesn't take away from his creation.

So what you should REALLY "revere" is his music. If an AI composing robot can create music of a caliber as the great composers, why doesn't it matter to you that bits of the master's phrasing, chord structure and pacing are referenced in creating a new piece of music?

You are FAR too hung up on a concept that I have yet to see you display a true definition or understanding of. If there is such a thing as artificial intelligence, doesn't logic say that there should also be artificial stupidity, (See: chatGPT)?

Look at a packet of lemonade mix. Everything on that packet is artificial flavoring, artificial sweetener... Yet look at a can of Lemon Pledge. It says "Contains real lemon."

So if AI can give a generation of people who loved Sinatra's work, and I am speaking of his work, not of the man, why deny those people more work that sounds exactly like SInatra despite him having died 25 years ago? You really want to get into some conversation about royalties due to a dead guy when no one cent of it would have gone to you? Why not just enjoy artificially created art rather than lament not having it available anymore?

I don't know what area of engineering you work in, but I see very little structural or electrical engineering done on a drawing board anymore. Only people approaching 100 years of age who have never accepted computers continue to hate them. I will never forget the day in 2002 when a managing partner at a law firm, then 73 years old, who called me on "new computer day" and told me "You have 5 minutes to get this appliance from hell off my desk." I was tempted to ask, though I wisely declined to do so, "So where do you park your horse and buggy anyway?"

Embrace technology and the possibility it offers rather than resist it. And keep using BIAB, which is essentially an AI composition tool.

Last edited by eddie1261; 11/25/23 03:58 PM.