PG Music Home Forums General Discussion Beginners Forum BB2025 issues with noise and count-in sound

Hi. I recently upgraded from BB2018 to BB2025.
I have 2 issues and can someone help me please?
OS is Win11. BB version is 2025 (1124)

1. The first count-in sound is odd ( from the 2nd count, it sounds normal)
2. After style and tempo change, it becomes noisy (only the changed bars)

Thank you!

I want to attach the sound files so you can listen to them, but it looks like images only.

Hi jazzutako,

Being able to look at the SGU/MGU file and/or hear the audio would be valuable.

Anything that you want to make available to the forums can be uploaded to a sharing site such as Dropbox, and a link can then be posted in the forum so that people can have a listen.

--Noel

Thank you Noel96!
OK, here are the sound files......

Sample BB2018
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nW8gnjFuIdnmzQEqCggz1EPa0GLRnjwU/view?usp=sharing

Sample BB2025
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1j_skztLLKleRT8tfimDhRDuLxPblOxe3/view?usp=sharing

Please have a listen to those and compare. I hope you can hear the differences.
The style and tempo changes are at around 1:29.

I uninstalled and reinstalled BB today, but nothing has changed.
What else can I do?

Jazzutako

Are you using a dedicated audio interface, or the built in sound card?

Hi, thank you for the response!

Just the built in sound card.
BB2018 is in my old laptop Acer Aspire, and BB2025 is in my new laptop HP Victus.
Anything to do with the sound card? because it's a gaming laptop maybe?

I have experienced this previously when using an internal sound card, assumed it had to do with buffers.
That doesn't mean that is your solution/cause, just something to think about.

You may have better results with a dedicated interface; they can be pretty inexpensive for a basic one with decent drivers.
I doubt being a gaming laptop has anything negative to do with it FWIW.

Hi, rharv. Thank you for the advice.

I think that the problem is in somewhere else, because it sounds fine if I don't make a style and tempo change in the middle of the song.

The odd count-in sound is not a major problem but I would like to fix this noise issue.

I listened to your 2025 example
The noise at 1:29 - I'd try muting each track one by one to try to isolate the source of the noise.
Is it drum track? Bass track? etc

My previous suggestions were regarding first beat of count in issues.

I see only 1 noise click at 1:36.761 to be precise. It is the only click I could find and I looked at the entire waveform in Adobe Audition. It sounds like a buffering problem with his sound settings in the laptop? I have had this before in my Desktop and it turned out to be and old Focusrite driver.

What is your current audio setting BIAB
MME, ASIO or WAS

Try changing that and see what happens.

The click happens once (good catch), what I heard was a noise introduced when the new style change happens (1:29?), kind of a hisss or different noise level that disappears after that style.

Hopefully jazzutako can add clarity to what she hears.

Realtek sound cards do not natively support ASIO so if that is what she is using that could be the problem.

Realtek sound cards, which is probably what is being used, are great for playing music, videos, and games BUT terrible for recording music. If one wants to record music one must purchase an audio interface, commonly called a sound card, that supports MME, WAS, and more importantly ASIO. Rharv had already mentioned this. You can purchase a good audio interface for under $100 USD.

Hi, Joseph Land. Thank you for analyzing the sound file.
I can see what you mean by 1 click noise, but that's no problem, I didn't even notice that!

As rharv mentioned, the hiss noise after the style and tempo change is the issue.

I checked my audio setting and it was WAS.
I changed to MME, but the same result.
I tried to change to ASIO, but the waning sign popped up. It says "No ASIO drivers are installed on your system."
So I changed back to WAS. Still hiss noise.

Regards,
Jazzutako

Hi, Mario D.
My audio setting was/is WAS.
ASIO is not installed in my system.

I will consider getting audio interface, but I'm pretty happy with the sound quality as it is without that hiss noise.
What I don't understand is why it makes hiss noise only after making style and tempo changes?
It was all fine with BB2018.

I listened to both files, concentrating on the sections before and around the 1:29 mark. I don't think this is a sound card related issue.

In the 2018 version, the drummer is playing brush swirls & brush hits, and then changing to more accentuated brush 'hits' at 1:29.

In the 2025 version, the drummer is playing much more accentuated brush 'swirls' after the 1:29 mark. I perhaps think that is what you are describing as 'noisy'

Can you advise the exact style(s) that are being used? It could be that PGM have made a change to this style since 2018.

Also, could you upload the .SGU song file to a file sharing service?

Hi, AudioTrack.

I'm sorry I should've used the same style for both BB2018 and BB2025 to make samples.
I thought they were close enough.

Now I've made the new samples using the same style, -JAZZSWP.STY Jazz Swing Piano Trio.
Here they are,
Sample BB2018 same style
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15S_w9Eo_DfUpSVtLi81kf6b-xnTFRQ4e/view?usp=sharing

Sample BB2025 same style
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17OnebZtL-Ikemyon6NOhOCyC-MnwhJDR/view?usp=sharing

I can still hear the hiss noise in the BB2025 file.
The first count sounds odd, too.


I uploaded the SGU files as well.
BB2018
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DzuGgungSIaPGcy7bQdaYr-r9NnLO6uj/view?usp=sharing

BB2025
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k2cpBYQq3-MxGVzKZSE75Tzcohl1yeIU/view?usp=sharing


Thank you for your help!
Regards,
Jazzutako

Hi, rharv.
I'm sorry I completely missed this comment!

I listened to each track, and it's the drum track, the base track is fine.
BB2025 Drums only
https://drive.google.com/file/d/160OgIkkGWZNtBAOBXIIJxAc77Xp7cEqy/view?usp=sharing

Regards,
Jazzutako

Kind of expected that.
Sounds like it's in the RT recording itself, not so much a 2025 vs 2018 issue.

You can try to make it less noticeable with EQ or such .. or try a different similar style for the drums .. or add something to the mix to hide it ..
It may just be the way the drummer dragged the brushes around in that style
It's not *that you changed styles, it's the style you chose, most likely.
That and your sound card may accentuate it.

Just my thoughts at this point, thanks for all the examples and clarity; they help other users respond.

I agree with RHarv's suggestion about using EQ to try to make it less noticeable.

I also think that it might just be the way that the 2025 version processes the audio sounds that make up this particular RealTrack.

Interestingly, I download and played the 2025 .sgu file, and at bar 22 (where the tempo doubles), I don't get the exaggerated 'brush swirls', but more 'brush hits'.

The memo shows:
"RealDrums in style:JazzBrushes: a: Brushes Swirling b: Brushes Busier "

I think that the B sub-style is somehow introduced when the tempo doubles. Probably the program is doing this internally.

HI, rharv.

How so? when I'm using the exact same style but only BB2025 makes the hiss noise.

To make it less noticeable, is there EQ in BB?

I tried other similar styles but so far they all make the hiss noise after the tempo change.

I've done some experiment with BB2025, and found an interesting fact.
The odd first count only occurs when the tempo is at or under 67.
Also, if I make the tempo change from fast to slow, there's no hiss noise.

Regards,
Jazzutako

Hi, AudioTrack.

I changed to the A sub-style and the result was the same.

If you saw my SGU file, then you know how I made the double time feel.
I didn't know how and this is the best I could.
Is this the correct way or are there other ways?

Regards,
Jazzutako

Perhaps write to the program developers, referencing this thread, and ask them if they can provide an explanation of what you are witnessing between the two product versions, and how you can resolve. They may have made many changes internally since 2008 that might affect what you are witnessing.

Hi, AudioTrack.
Thank you for the advice, and I will write to PG music.

Thank you everyone who gave the responses!
If I find the solution, I will let you know.

Thanks for keeping us informed, and thanks especially for providing feedback, as this can assist others in the future.

Precisely. The drummer is swirling the brushes across the snare drum head. This video shows you what's going on - look at his left hand in the first few seconds.
Here's what I think is going on - the difference between 2018 and 2025 is that 2025 uses a newer version of Elastique, the audio stretching engine. Jazzutako is using the style at a much slower tempo than default, which means that Elastique needs to work harder, and the newer version is more accurate in the upper frequencies while the older version muffles them a bit. There likely would be very little or zero difference in sound when the style is at the default 140bpm.

My suggestion would be to use an EQ plugin on the drums channel to reduce some of the higher frequencies a bit.

Agreed. RHarv suggested this also. Not sure if the O/P made any changes since then.

Hi, Simon. Thank you for the advice.


I have no idea what to do...
I'll start searching in the forum with the keyword "EQ plugin" but if you give me some hints or
tell me what to do step by step, that would be greatly appreciated.

I sent a support request form the other day and I'm waiting for the response.

Regards,
Jazzutako

Hello Australia from France!

EQ stands for "Equalizer". A plugin is a software application that runs inside of another app (the host, like Band in a Box or a DAW (digital audio workstation)). You use the EQ plugin to accentuate or reduce certain frequencies in the audio signal. In your case, you would add it in the BiaB mixer on the Drums channel. I would start by slightly reducing the frequencies above 5 KHz and check what you're hearing. This is referred to as "low pass" (passing lower frequencies while attenuating or removing higher ones). You can then adjust the roll-off frequency and the amount of attenuation to taste. [There is also "high pass" and "band pass". You can probably guess what those do. ]

I suggest trying the excellent free Tokyo Dawn Labs (TDR) Nova EQ (I use its paid big brother, the Nova GE (Gentleman's Edition)).

After installing Nova (I suggest C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins for the VST version. The default location for the VST3 version is C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3. These are for the 64-bit versions. The 32-bit versions would install in "Program Files (x86)".), make sure that BiaB is looking for plugins in the installation folders you used.

TDR Nova EQ

Hello, TheMaartian!
OMG thank you so much for explaining in details.
OK, I've just installed Nova EQ. So far so good!
My BB2025 found the plugin alright.

I will study how to use it now and try as you advised.
I will let you know how I go.

Merci beaucoup!
Jazzutako

TheMaartian's answer is fantastic, however it's not necessary to install third party plugins to use an EQ in Band-in-a-Box.

One way to do what you want is to use the Tone control in the mixer - turning this down will reduce treble and increase bass. Please see my screenshot below - the rightmost column is the tone control (and keep in mind that the Tone label may disappear if the mixer is too small).



Another way to do this is using the included plugins - this video tutorial will show you what to do (it's a long tutorial at over 52 minutes, but the first 6-7 minutes will show you what you need)

I've replied, however you seem to have got your answer here.

That's a really useful video, Simon. I wondered why it had 0 Likes and 0 Comments...and then I noticed it is Unlisted. That explains why I missed it when it was released. Can you provide the link to the Instrument Plugins video you mentioned? Thanks in advance.

I knew that BiaB included a 5-band EQ plugin, but I have found that it's really useful to have a visual UI when EQ'ing. You can be much more surgical in what you boost or attenuate. Being able to grab the band node marker and drag it up and down, and left and right while the audio it playing really helps target the problem and the solution in real time. If you're not familiar with EQ'ing, the visual feedback is also a good learning opportunity.

I recommended a free EQ, so as not to add any cost if it didn't work for her. Along with MeldaProduction, TDR makes some of the best free audio plugins around. The Nova EQ is excellent, IMO.

Certainly - here you go:

BIAB also includes a 10-band EQ, just so you're aware. I also prefer parametric EQ's over graphic EQ's (and Nova is a fantastic one that I use all the time), but in this case I wanted to recommend things that are built into or included with BIAB.

Thanks!

Hello Simon, the two video tutorials you linked to above are "unlisted" on YouTube and are not available to the general public. Is this an oversight? Will the videos be available to for public viewing in the future?

The YouTube links are working here for me Jim. Perhaps it is due to a temporary outage or similar?

I think he is talking 'public' as in they will turn up in search results for Google/YouTube
The links work, but because they are unlisted, you can't really find them without a link

Thanks rharv. Yes that could be correct.
I clicked on this link to then show them separately on YT:

Hi AudioTrack, as rharv said, the two YouTube videos are "unlisted". The videos are not available for public viewing without a link.

Thanks Jim for clarifying, yes, we're now working from the same page

They will be listed as public at some point.

Hello, Simon. Thank you for your advice.
Unfortunately I haven't got my answer here or anywhere.

I "Toned" down ( to -9) but it didn't work at all.
Also the overall sound becomes muffled, so I don't like it.

Next I tried BB Five Band EQ. This is better but still hiss noise.
Same as TDR Nova.

Question with these EQ... Can I apply only to some bars (tempo changed bars only)?
because I have no issue with the sound before the tempo change and after it goes back to the normal tempo.

Regards,
Jazzutako

Have you considered changing the drums to something different that you find more suitable?

Save the single drum track as a WAV file.
Open that WAV file in Realband.
Set the EQ
Highlight the section you want to change. (you can also use the From-Thru settings to select that section)
Use Edit-AudioEffects-PG 10Band EQ and Process just that highlighted section
Save as WAV file
Import back into BiaB

..or just open the BiaB file in Realband where such edits are easier (but you can still generate and add tracks).
There is probably a way to do this in BiaB also.

As another option you could could transfer the generated drums from the the newer BiaB version to the computer with the older version (as audio) using the same Save As WAV file method. Since the newer version does not generate the offending noise.. if you post the SGU someone will gladly generate it for you if needed using the newer version.

Hi, Audio Track.

I tried the similar styles but they all made the hiss noise during the tempo change.

What do you mean by "changing the drums" ?
I can change the drums in the style? If so, I didn't know that and I don't know how.
I have BB Pro and styles, drums etc are limited so I have a feeling that it doesn't work.

Regards,
Jazzutako

Hi, rharv.
Thank you very much for your advise!
I'll have a go but....

Trying to eliminate the hiss noise using EQ is very complicated and daunting for me.
And Reading your advise, I came up with these questions.

1) Can I transfer the old style from BB2018 to BB2025? (that particular ballad style)
2) Does BB2018 work in Win 11?
3) Can I have both BB2018 and BB2025 in the same laptop and use separately?

Regards,
Jazzutako

I just read this thread, and it's very interesting. There is some great advice and diagnosing going on.

Let me take your questions in reverse order and then offer a thought in another direction.

3) Yes, you can. One of the folders could be /BB as it is now, and the other /BB2018 (or vice versa). The files in common that are NOT in the BIAB folder, like fonts, haven't changed to my knowledge.
Ideally, your computer has enough room for complete installations of both. If it does not, we can talk more about going into Preferences to select the same location for your RealTracks and then RealDrums. This could be problematic for the 2018 version not recognizing some sounds, and/or not indexing them.

2) Yes, I think so, but I haven't tried it since I update every year.

1) Not sure about this one. However, following Simon and RHarv's line of thinking, I want to suggest something else. How powerful is your new computer? The minimum requirements to run BIAB successfully have increased somewhat. A "gaming" computer means to me that it has a powerful graphics capability. That doesn't say much about RAM, disk storage, or the CPU, and the ONE thing BIAB doesn't need is a powerful graphics card. Since you do not have an external audio interface, it makes me wonder about the rest of your hardware. Perhaps something that worked in version 2018 now stresses your computer enough to produce unwanted noise. I do highly recommend what others identified, that you should get an audio interface. There are several inexpensive USB ones by Presonus or Focusrite. Any of them would be better than the internal RealTec chips.

If one computer generates it without the noise, use that computer to generate the track.
Then export it to a WAV file and use a USB thumb drive to transfer that WAV file to the other computer and Import it into your desired project.
That would be the simplest way.

The answer to all 3 questions is *generally* yes, but all of those come with much more risk than the suggestion directly above.
I wouldn't suggest doing any of those three without a back/restore up plan. Plus Simon said it's the 2018 version instigating the noise, so even with the newer style you'd likely get the noise when it generates.
Solution: don't use 2018 to generate the drums. Generate them in the newer version and transfer/import the AUDIO so it is static..Freeze that track so it never changes.

Hello Matt Finley
Thank you very for your response.

Sorry I didn't mention about my laptop, it's HP Victus, Win 11, 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700HX 2.10 GHz,
32GB RAM, 1TB storage.
I don't play games but I edit videos
Do you think it's enough to have both BB2018 and BB2025?

BB2018 is in my old laptop (Win 10) and I installed BB2025 in my new HP laptop.
I didn't install BB2018 in my new HP laptop prior because I wasn't sure if it works in Win11.
I wonder if I should've installed BB2018 first in my new HP laptop before I install BB2025?

So far I like using BB2025 better compare to BB2018, except that hiss noise.
If only I could transfer that old ballad style from BB2018 to BB2025.
But having both BB2018 and BB2025 in one laptop would do for me.

I had a little look over audio interface, and all those nobs just scare me......

Regards,
Jazzutako

Hi, rharv. Thank you for your response.

Maybe the computer issue, do you think?
I could install BB2025 in my old laptop to see if it makes the hiss noise........

Right. I should be careful.

What do you mean? The ballad style in BB2018 doesn't make the hiss noise, but the same style of BB2025 does.

My old laptop will eventually die, and I want to work on just one laptop for everything.

Regards,
Jazzutako

I was just trying to help resolve your issue in a quick way.
Generate the track with the system you like the sound of.
Export it as an audio WAV file.
Use a thumb drive (our your network) to transfer that AUDIO to the new system.
Import it into the project.

Does the hiss still show up on the new system?
If not; problem solved and you have a track you are happy with.
If it does, then the new computer is the issue, not the track.

Generating the audio in one then moving it to the other is a simple test to narrow down the root cause and maybe find a solution for this one track..

I know if I create a track on my (good) music computer, then move it to my throw-around laptop, it is going to sound worse. That is expected considering the investment I have in the music computer. Maybe this test will expose something between your two systems.

Hi, rharv. Thank you very much for your advise and help.

OK, I tried to do as you told me.
1) using my old laptop with BB2018, I rendered the drum track in WAV.
2) copied to USB stick
3) opened my project in BB2025 in my new laptop and imported the WAV file to Audio track.
I hope this is right.

Then I muted the drum track and played.
I don't know why but the audio played very slow, like almost half the tempo.
The sound is very blurry the whole time and I can't say there's the hiss noise.
What did I do wrong?

Regards,
Jazzutako

I have no idea.
'Acidized' the wave file maybe?
That shouldn't happen, maybe someone else has an idea.

That is not possible in BIAB, however it is possible in many DAWs if you export the tracks from BIAB.

That would be my suggestion. The "hissing" sound you're talking about is part of the drum performance (swirling brushes).

1: The style files from 2018 have not changed, so if you're using a 2018 style in 2025 there is no difference to the style file itself than using that same file in the 2018 version. The differences you're hearing are related to the software not the content.
2: It should, however it was not built for Windows 11 and may not work correctly.
3: Yes that's possible, I do that myself. They need to be installed to different folders - they can use a shared RealTracks and Drums folder though. They would both need to be fully installed, as simply linking an otherwise empty 2018 folder to a full RealTracks folder will not work (there are supporting files in the BB folder that are necessary).

Hi, Simon. Thank you for the advice.

How do I change the drum?
Also could you suggest the drum that will work in ballad style with double time feel in the middle?

I'd like to try BB2018 in my new laptop (Win11).
To have them both and use separately.........
How do I do that? I only have C drive.
Do I make a new folder directly under C drive before hand, and select that folder when installing?

Regards,
Jazzutako

Create a folder on your C: drive named (e.g.) C:\bb2018\ and install the 2018 version into that folder. You should not have to do a full install if you then set:
Options > Preferences > RealDrums to use C:\bb\Drums\
and
Options > Preferences > RealTracks to use C:\bb\RealTracks\
which will then use those other files from your existing C:\bb\ installation.

Hi, AudioTrack. Thank you for your help.

I just tried to install BB2018 to my new laptop (Win11).
Did not work!
Lots of error messages like "the installation of such and such file was cancelled" etc.........
I gave up.
I don't think BB2018 works in Win11 computer.

I also tried to install BB2025 to my old laptop (Win10) and this was a success.
Looks like I can use both BB2018 and BB2025 separately, but the C drive is nearly full.
Anyway I made the same song (same chords, tempo, tempo change) and there was that hiss noise.
That means it's not the computer issue.

If it's not the software issue either, and if it's because of the way the drum swirls,
then what RealDrums set should I buy to be able to make a ballad with double time feel???
Please someone tell me!

Regards,
Jazzutako

Meanwhile, way back on page 2 ...


Spend some time demoing examples so you can choose what to acquire.
https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.realtracks.jazz.htm

Or get the ultrapak so you have everything to test at home

Another suggestion would be to upload the song to let others listen and try to determine the cause of said sound. You could load it to the free Dropbox and post its URL.

I haven't followed this thread closely so if this has already been suggested then I apologize for the redundancy.

Jazz.

ok i purposely tested the sgu's on a junk pc with a junk internal sound chip.
(WAS driver).

all i'm hearing (with good akg phones) is what i would expect.
unless my hearing is going bonkers in my doteage.
please tell me which BAR in the sgu you have a drum problem soundwise..
then i'll focus on that.

PS...IMPORTANT...i notice the generated waveform of the drums track is much lower than the waveform of other tracks. see tracks window in 2025 bb and post back a pic of your tracks window.

om

Mario.

the sgu's are on page 1 of thread.
love your sigs...keep them coming.
my wife is a big fan too.

Yep, the files have been uploaded and evaluated. Some are available at this post:
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=840649#Post840649

The majority of listeners agree that the sound is the natural sound of the performing artist playing brush swirls on the snare. The O/P refers to the noise as a 'hiss', so I'm not sure if they are familiar with snare drums and brush techniques.

Thanx OM and AT. I concur it is the drum's brush swirls that is causing that sound.

Hello, justanoldmuso. Thank you for your help!

It's from bar 22 to 37 where tempo is changed.

I sanpshotted the tracks window around the tempo change.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HdB1csbT-9FL6d-TZEI8eS_zVmuWR78O/view?usp=sharing

I've made a short samples that are easier to listen to.
1) with noise after tempo change (62 to 124) at around 0:27.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GiTGrX6UfcB9A-4hQ7G-5PF5IOVHMRBL/view?usp=sharing

2) no noise and same tempo all the way (tempo 124)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GL73jutp_2SjYj2JIJJZfBEoByNiXA69/view?usp=sharing
I want it to hear like this after the tempo change.

The hiss noise is more like jeeeee noise.
I hope you can hear it or my ears are bonkers???

By the way, No.2 sample has another noise towards the end at around 0:47.
It's like peeep noise. Actually this happens sometimes in both BB2018 and BB2025.
How do I fix this?
Does anyone know?

Regards,
Jazzutako

All.
(the following is all with J's chords.)
some further clues from my testing _JAZZSWP.

1..if one looks in the style picker the tempo shows 140..
SO...
2..could it be that J's tempo of 62 is outside range and thus introducing
'artifacts' ?? it looks to me that such a big tempo gap might be an issue.
AND..
3..another interesting aspect IS when i demo (with J's chords)
at 140 the drums waveform seems to be more in line with what i
would expect...WHEREAS at tempo 62 the waveform graphic in bbtv is
not as pronounced !!

IN CONCLUSION...

i suspect that the choice of tempo might be the issue.
ie too much of a tempo gap tween 62 and 140 ??
ie posing a problem for the stretching algorithm ??

fwiw i normally on a style tempo of 140 in picker i would maybe add one quarter or deduct same from the style tempo...and test THAT as to sound quality. ie with JAZZSWP go no more than roughly 175 down to 105 ?? sometimes depending on the style i might be more adventurous...lol.


happiness.

om

Jazz.
see my last post.
ok i listened to those bars...sometimes its just the way it IS.
i think what your hearing and i agree with simon is just the natural sound of the snare swirls.
all sounds ok here. BUT remember the stretching algorithm DOES HAVE its limits. ive had this happen many times.
ALSO...i think in the makeing of the rd if one listens closely the drummer is maybe playing in bars 22 to 37 snare hits PLUS swirls ??....difficult to tell.
as to why no noise at when whole song is at same tempo i suspect that the tempo of 124 is within range of the style 140 tempo thus its not such a challenge for the stretching algorithm.
its the music production gremlins...twas always thus with songs...lol.


om

Hi, justanoldmuso. Thank you for your analysis.

I don't think it's the choice of tempo or style, because I tried with _SLOWBAL ( recommended tempo 60).
The result was the same.

In the style _JAZZSWP, it may sound a bit funny at tempo 62, I agree, but I actually don't mind that.
But I can't stand that jeee noise during the tempo change.
Even if the recommended tempo is 140, my 124 is not that slow.

Regards,
Jazzutako

Hi, Simon. Thank you for your help.

I tried but I could not even install it. I don't think BB2018 works in Win11 computer.

OK, how about the Realdrums?
Can I transfer BB2018 Realdrums to BB2025?
Will that work or will not in the BB2025 software?

Regards,
Jazzutako

Jazz.

heres an idea.

generate 2 drum tracks.

..one for the 62 tempo..
..and one for the change of bars tempo.

ive just auditioned various jazz rd's....
and jazzolder^4 might float your boat for the change ?

in summary two seperate drum tracks one for the 62 tempo and one for the change.

frankly i dont see any advantage moving the 2018 drums to 2025...
but maybe i'm missing something.

NOTE to Simon.
whats troubling me is WHY with various tempos the graphics of the waveforms are weaker and lower than others.
its baffling....might it be to do with the stretching algo ?

om

om

Hi, justanoldmuso. Thank you for your help.

Do you mean
1) tempo 62 all the way
2) tempo 124 all the way
I hope I got right.
Anyway I made the samples in short version.

Ds track tempo 62 all the way
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QEU0Do60cdIhvkVpUzi4mV09FkQ_fe1J/view?usp=sharing

Ds track tempo 124 all the way (2nd attempt)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lIVt0A8GciEmDBe2SLDlRk2jisy9D23x/view?usp=sharing

Now, when I made the No.2 sample (tempo 124), something very weird happened.
The first outcome was this.
Ds track tempo 124 all the way (1st attempt)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L30ihX7_AAjDnqJcxXEcFE9JpDdt6roH/view?usp=sharing
There's the jeee noise the whole time!
Do you hear the noise??? This is the noise I'm talking about.
So I closed BB and started again, then there was no noise.
But this never happened before, always jeee noise only during the tempo change.

I got this idea because people tell me it's the drums swirl.
Since it doesn't make the noise in BB2018, if I use the same Realdrums as BB2018,
then it wouldn't make the noise, I thought.

Regards,
Jazzutako

Jazz.

i listened to all 3 of those google sound files on different systems. no prob here. i still think what your hearing are brush swirls with snare hits.
im not a jazz expert but i have in the past sung vocs with a jazz group.

heres what i suggest...

1...go thru demoing all jazz swing real drums.
includeing variations.
2..generate the ones you like and freeze them.
3...export the audio of each to a daw eg reaper or realband
whatever.
4..in the daw comp down to a final drum track.

ps i still say get a proper audio interface.
see a thread i started in pg tips forum detailing what sound interfaces people use. its got loads of views.
also in tips see thread re optimising a pc for music production.

om

I'm pretty certain the difference you're hearing is due to improvements in the pitch stretching engine, or settings related to that. The 2018 version likely doesn't exhibit the "noise" because the sound of the brushes is being heavily altered by the lower quality pitch stretching in the older version, while the newer version is better and more accurate.

It's similar to buying a new car and finding that it "shakes" when you drive it on certain roads - the problem isn't the new car, it's that the newer tighter suspension lets you "feel" the road more while the old car is softer (worn out) by comparison.

Maybe try _JazzNYC for drums; no swirls and base tempo is halfway between your extremes so less stretching
Just an idea
Or any of the other brush drums, you have quite a few to choose from.

It's clear you don't like the swirling sound ..

If it was me I would use a different Drum style for that quick section altogether to accentuate the change, maybe use _JazzSWP for slow and _JazzSWS for fast or something
YOU have to play around with it until you find something YOU like. It's next to impossible to guess what someone else will like.

Hi, justanoldmuso. Thank you for you help.

Are you serious?

A) Ds track tempo 124 all the way (2nd attempt)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lIVt0A8GciEmDBe2SLDlRk2jisy9D23x/view?usp=sharing

B) Ds track tempo 124 all the way (1st attempt)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L30ihX7_AAjDnqJcxXEcFE9JpDdt6roH/view?usp=sharing

These two should sound the same, but B has the noise. Did you use headphone or earphone?

Does anybody hear the difference???

Regards,
Jazzutako

I posted same time you did, so nudging you to look at previous post.

As far as your examples, yes I hear a distinct difference

Hi, Simon. Thank you for your help.

So, in conclusion,

Can I transfer BB2018 Realdrums to BB2025?
Will that work or will not in the BB2025 software?

Regards,
Jazzutako