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A question to ipad users. Senior relative asked me to help her record digital piano audio directly to ipad. Keep in mind, that it's not for me, and it needs to be extremely simple. The hope is to avoid dedicated interface and go directly to ipad. The ipad is an older model, so it has what I believe is a combined Mic/Headphone jack (not the USB-c model). Sooo... Can the cable (see above) be used to connect digital piano directly to ipad and use something very simple, like voice recorder to record audio through that cable? Purpose for this just to get a cleaner recording than using ipad built in mic.... or any "mic". Thank you. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/zvkLmS6X/cable.jpg)
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I believe that type of cable will work except the Ipad end 3.5mm plug should have an extra ring position. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30722&filename=Ipad mic_headphone Plug.jpg)
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If the piano has USB you can buy an adaptor for a USB cable that plugs right into the iPad and record MIDI into Garage Band or other apps. Unless they are going for the internal sound of the piano itself.
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No, you cannot with an audio cable. You can via USB or MIDI. It all depends on that digital piano—all have MIDI, USB or both so, what does that piano have?
Also, need to know what type of iPad: 30 pin, Lightning or USB-C?
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Thanks all for trying. Charlie is closest on TRRS. No Midi, no interface. No multitracks, no Daws. Just Voice recorder  Audio from Digital piano > ipad. It seems doable in mono, using an adapter that splits headphone output and mic / line input (see below). I believe, her ipad is 8th gen. In any case, I believe the setup below would work. It will likely combine the L&R signal from piano, but recording should be much cleaner than using built in mic This is for quick sketches, not professional recording. I thought that a single cable like this exists, but seems this will only work with adapter. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/vBPD4pmY/cable2.jpg)
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The iPad input wouldn't handle stereo as it's a single mic only. Stereo headphone and mono mic.
You may also have an issue with the mic input being too sensitive for the keyboard output.
Something I just learned whilst checking things is that the pin wiring varies depending up the standard used, apparently left and right headphone outputs are constant, but mic and ground on R2 and sleeve may reverse. That's likely OK for a mic, but with keyboard to iPad that swap may also cause issues.
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Misha, can you check the docs on her piano? Many digital keyboards have a mono out. If hers has a mono out the a stereo to mono is not need. Google/Bing "iphone to 1/4 audio cable" for mono to iphone options.
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What digital piano has no USB or MIDI out? Enquiring minds want to know.
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What digital piano has no USB or MIDI out? Enquiring minds want to know. Of course they all do. In Misha's original post his friend wanted to record the Keyboard's audio. That prompted my response.
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Thanks everyone for trying. I guess nobody recorded audio the way I described. I don't want to use USB or MIDI out, or interface. That is pre-requisite. Audio>Ipad's combined 3.5 headphone / mic port to AUX out of the keyboard That is what I want. The keyboard is Yamaha P-105. I think this cable will do the job. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/BQYQXwP1/cable-3.jpg)
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I think I found a perfect solution for what I am trying to accomplish. IK iRig2. While it's labeled as "interface", and technically it is, but unlike traditional interfaces that require certain apps, this is a pass-through device that uses ipad's phones/mic 3.5mm input to split the signal to headphones and traditional 1/4" input. My main concern using "just" cables is higher gain from Yamaha, however this box solves this as it has a passive mechanical gain dial. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/25Ks9D2L/rig.jpg)
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Or even $10 solution, without manual gain, the piece has a gain reduction circuit:
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The iPad input wouldn't handle stereo as it's a single mic only. Stereo headphone and mono mic.
You may also have an issue with the mic input being too sensitive for the keyboard output. You might also run into issues as the microphone input provides power for the microphone (I believe around 1.5v). This isn't likely to damage anything you plug into it as there are likely current limits, however it may adversely affect the sound quality (adding a DC offset which could cause asymmetrical distortion). You can get around it by adding a capacitor in series to block the DC, but that can also adversely affect sound quality (it would act as a high pass filter and would affect phase).
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Simon, thanks.
I believe that is exactly what iRig thing is doing. This is cheap enough, and most importantly the easiest way to try the method of direct analog to digital recording to ipad. Will update this thread in a couple of weeks with results.
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Simon, thanks.
I believe that is exactly what iRig thing is doing. This is cheap enough, and most importantly the easiest way to try the method of direct analog to digital recording to ipad. Will update this thread in a couple of weeks with results. Most likely, though I believe the iRig has at least some level of attenuation in it.
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You might also run into issues as the microphone input provides power for the microphone (I believe around 1.5v). This isn't likely to damage anything you plug into it as there are likely current limits, however it may adversely affect the sound quality (adding a DC offset which could cause asymmetrical distortion). You can get around it by adding a capacitor in series to block the DC, but that can also adversely affect sound quality (it would act as a high pass filter and would affect phase). If correct, that's a bit surprising. All the signals on the jack must be single-ended, so any DC would affect the performance of a dynamic mic or headphone by applying a bias to the coil. It would certainly have to be current-limited to perhaps microamps, if only because the impedance of the circuit needs to remain high enough to get a sensible signal. Could headset mics normally be electret? Maybe.
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I have the iRig2 here, Misha, bought it a few years ago so I could quickly record any guitar riffs or musical ideas I might have to my iPad without having to fire up my studio. Works great.
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Misha, the iPhone has internal mics and the keyboard has speakers so can they record the keyboard without any physical connection? Or is external noise an issue like dogs barking etc?
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Dave, Thank you for confirming! Mario, it was done through ipad's mic up to this point, but my mother in law complained that there is too much room noise when amplified on larger speakers. This is not for pro recording or good quality backing. Just sketches for rehearsals with her senior chorus band. During actual concerts she plays live. Girls are not professional, just having fun I think the iRig thing would be ideal for her as it's the simplest form of getting analog audio to ipad. Much simpler than traditional interface.
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If correct, that's a bit surprising.
All the signals on the jack must be single-ended, so any DC would affect the performance of a dynamic mic or headphone by applying a bias to the coil. It would certainly have to be current-limited to perhaps microamps, if only because the impedance of the circuit needs to remain high enough to get a sensible signal. Could headset mics normally be electret? Maybe. I believe most are electret, as are the mics in the phones themselves. Single-ended makes sense given phones have a single power source (battery, usually ~3-4v). This is not for pro recording or good quality backing. Just sketches for rehearsals with her senior chorus band. During actual concerts she plays live. Girls are not professional, just having fun I think the iRig thing would be ideal for her as it's the simplest form of getting analog audio to ipad. Much simpler than traditional interface. Yup, I think the iRig or similar would be perfect. Cheap and cheerful.
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Misha, that is what I figured hence the external noise comment.
I just brought it up just in case it wasn't thought of yet.
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Reporting back. iRig worked beautifully for what my mother in law was trying to accomplish. She is happy.
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