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Rock Til Ya Drop


Here's something a little different from me. This is a Symphonic Rock guitar piece. It started out as something totally different, but I accidentally punched in the wrong Style Set. I thought "Whoa - this is pretty cool!" And with about an hour's rework, this is where it ended up and I kinda liked it.

Just to let you know - it's pretty loud! But, isn't that indigenous to most rock music?

Most of my "extra" effort on this one has to do with those quirky little guitar runs at the end of each verse and chorus. Instead of getting the one extra loud note or chord (with the ...d), I threw in a quirky, short, transition run. I think it works. Let me know what you think.

My next 8 or 10 songs, or thereabouts, will be all over the place as far as genre and style. About a month after Di passed, I lost myself in BIAB for almost a month, and just blindly clicked onto anything and worked with whatever came up. It's been part of my process to cope. And it truly has helped. PG Music has no idea of how instrumental they been in my grieving process - it has been an important part of it. So, many thanks to Peter and his great staff.

Some of the songs might be a little rough as far as "polishing the mess", but it's what came to me at the time. I simply left them as they were, as they exemplified my emotions at that time. Some of them have less than an hour devoted to them. This particular song has about 4 hours devoted to it.


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Title: Rock Til Ya Drop

File:Rock Til Ya Drop.SGU

Key=Bb , Tempo 140, Length (m:s)=2:49

Style is _FOMENT.STY (Foment Uptempo Synth Rock)

RealTracks in song: 4275:Bass, Electric, ProgRockTOAB Ev16 130
RealTracks in style: 1410:Piano, SynthLayer, Rhythm Soul70sA-B Ev16 100
RealTracks in style: 2740:Synth, Rhythm PepSquadHorns Ev 165
RealTracks in style: 4545:Guitar, Electric, Soloist Metal80sPopFast8ths Ev 130
RealTracks in song: 2746:Synth, Rhythm AltHipHopPad8ths Ev16 085
RealDrums in Song: TambourineEv16
RealDrums in Song:RockThrashHalfTimeEv16^1-a:Snare, Bell Ride , b:Snare, Crash Ride


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Yes, Alan, in fact, you ARE a BIAB Master.
Cool Rock piece.
That guitar guy must be exhausted after that....

We are all fortunate to have a program like this when we need it, for everything and anything we might need it for...

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Alan,

Wow! What an unbelievable piece. So big and nuanced. Hard hitting and ever so musical. The mix on this outstanding.

It's great that music is helping you through this most difficult time...

Again, just an excellent composition.

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Alan, smokin' tune! Everything sounds great. The soloist is of course the feature, but I found myself fascinated by the bass player and where you placed the bass in the mix. Though it's a genre bend for you, you've still composed what sounds like a real band playing a real tune. Super job!


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Originally Posted by floyd jane
Yes, Alan, in fact, you ARE a BIAB Master.
Cool Rock piece.
That guitar guy must be exhausted after that....

We are all fortunate to have a program like this when we need it, for everything and anything we might need it for...

fj


Floyd,

You are very kind. Thank you. And yeah, I think that lead player over in the corner sweating and cussing. I might give him a raise - maybe double what I'm paying him now.

And yes, we are so lucky to have the many powerful tools BIAB gives us anytime we choose. It has a made a difference, not only in my music production, but in my life. I'll tell you what it has meant more to me than anything - It gave me the chance to bring Di's incredible vocals to life. It literally changed her world. That means more to me than anything else. She deserved an audience. You wonderful folks are the best audience she could have hoped for.

Thank you so much.

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Alan, I've been trying to improve my mixes, and one of the main things I've done toward that end is to listen to your tracks. By everyone's comments here, you are the gold standard. So that's how I'm trying to learn. I appreciate the free lessons! (g)

Staying busy is important. I'm glad BIAB is filling that void for you.


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Alan,

What a wonderful testimonial you gave in your description!
It's such an inspiration to keep going!
Our Maker still has work for us to do and that's why we are still here!
I enjoyed this great composition you created here! Those guitars are certainly face melters, but in a good way!
You always bring it brother, and I am proud to call you a fellow musician/friend!
Take care and keep the tunes flowing! TB

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I listened twice, 'nuff said
Very nice job


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You'd never guess, but I like rock instrumentals! laugh This works fine, though I'd have had at least 2 solo instruments in for variation.


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Unusual style for you, but it's pretty good and rocks.
Now find a rock singer for your song...

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Originally Posted by rsdean
Alan,

Wow! What an unbelievable piece. So big and nuanced. Hard hitting and ever so musical. The mix on this outstanding.

It's great that music is helping you through this most difficult time...

Again, just an excellent composition.

Bob


Thanks so much, Bob. It's not the typical style of music I usually put together, but it was something a little different that I thought I would finish when I got there by accidentally clicking on the wrong Style set. With a little polishing, I think it turned out OK. Glad you liked it.Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by DC Ron
Alan, smokin' tune! Everything sounds great. The soloist is of course the feature, but I found myself fascinated by the bass player and where you placed the bass in the mix. Though it's a genre bend for you, you've still composed what sounds like a real band playing a real tune. Super job!


Hi Ron,

Glad to hear it works for you. I was thinking the same thing about the bass line, particularly as it went into the chorus. But it smokes throughout the whole piece.

I changed almost all the instruments from the original line-up in the style set. I kept the bass and the piano Everything else is what I found elsewhere and brought in. It seems to have worked out pretty good.

I appreciate all the nice words. Thanks a bunch!

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Originally Posted by TuneMonger
Alan, I've been trying to improve my mixes, and one of the main things I've done toward that end is to listen to your tracks. By everyone's comments here, you are the gold standard. So that's how I'm trying to learn. I appreciate the free lessons! (g)

Staying busy is important. I'm glad BIAB is filling that void for you.


Hi Bob,

Thanks for dropping in for a listen. As far as me being the "Gold Standard", well, maybe, but I wouldn't bet my last dollar on it. But i do OK, I think No charge for the lessons! Your visit is marked as "account paid"!

I don't really have any secrets. My recording process is older than Neanderthal. I also do not read or write notation, nor do I know music theory in the sense that is normally defined as such. I have a personal system that works for me, but it's far from formal theory.

I use my ears and my gut feeling to arrive at a finished product.

This one thing I'm about to say can put the consummate musician into apoplexy: I am not a perfectionist. I'm almost 80 years old and have been playing and composing music since 1963. I learned a few things over that span of time.

1. Nobody is perfect.

2. Make your goal to create a musical piece that equals the top shelf of your skillset.

3. Spending hours upon hours striving for perfection usually ends up as a great waste of time. For practical purposes, perfection is unobtainable. You can often do more damage to a creation by spending hours upon hours seeking that one thing that is probably out of reach, and by doing so, you can do more damage than good to musical creation.

4. Know and respect the limits of your ability/skillset. This is my approach to that: I'm still a pretty good guitarist, just but no longer clean enough for recording because of a disease I have that affects my hand (focal dystonia). That has limited my skillset. I accept that. So, after I've played a new song 20 or so times and it gets no better, I let it go for a few days and then come back to it. After a dozen or so attempts it's still no better, I know I've done the best i can do. Even though I might want to have done some a little more impressive or, i accept it's not in the picture. I'm good with that as I know I did the best I could possibly do. When I do my best, I'm satisfied.Bjut don't confuse that with learning to do more things (new chords, new progressions, new percussions, new inversions, et.). Just keend in mind that all these new things we learn have to fall within our skillset. But learning new things is always good. We just have to keep in mind, as time and experience reveal, those new thing we learn also have ceilings. I accept that.

5. By continuously trying to exceed our capabilities, we become frustrated and that can interfere with the quality of what we are trying to create.


There is more, but those are the basic parameters i work within. Basically, I don't lie to myself, and I embrace the limits of my abilities and work within them. As I said earlier, that doesn't mean not learning new things - we should always try to learn every new facet of our trade - we just need to accept they, too, peak levels of attainment.

Sorry about the long rant, but I thought I would share some of the basic principles of my approach. Mixing has its own subset of parameters I use I can PM you with more about that if you'd like.

I slogged through all that stuff above so whomever might read this understands a little bit of my approach to music creation - the physical aspects, rather my mental approach.

Thanks for the visit. perhaps a few things I mentioned might be of some value for you.

Take care,

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Originally Posted by Torrey Bliss
Alan,

What a wonderful testimonial you gave in your description!
It's such an inspiration to keep going!
Our Maker still has work for us to do and that's why we are still here!
I enjoyed this great composition you created here! Those guitars are certainly face melters, but in a good way!
You always bring it brother, and I am proud to call you a fellow musician/friend!
Take care and keep the tunes flowing! TB


Hi Torrey,

You are very kind with your words. Thank you. Music, in conjunction with grandfather's sage advice, has been the driving force in my life. Music is my refuge when storm clouds hover. PG Music has made that possible far beyond my wildest dreams. Since Di's death, I have 38 songs in various stages of completion. There are 4 or 5 I'm going to let go, but I plan on finishing the others. I've written two about her passing that are worth finishing. Several others are more exercises in self-absorption

I agree that we are still here for whatever purpose He has for us.

I'm delighted you enjoyed this piece. I have only four hours devoted to it. But that's pretty typical for me.

The feeling of considering you to be a good friend and musician is mutual. I have a lot of respect for your talent and personality.

Wishing you everything good. We Missouri guys have to stick together!

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Originally Posted by rharv
I listened twice, 'nuff said
Very nice job


Thank you very much. I appreciate that!

Looking forward to hearing more music from you.

Best to you,

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Yup, not intrusive at all. Sometimes, clicking on the wrong BIAB style gets some surprising results. I also find this to be true when I add some wrong notes when playing the piano. Good results all over on this one.

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Hi Alan,

This is not a style I'm naturally drawn to, but I like it. With that raw energy, drive, and blistering solos, I reckon I could even forgo my morning caffeine fix. Great job!

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Hi Alan.

Even though I was suspecting something rocky because the title, you still managed to surprise me. This is fantastic. I second floyd's comment about you being a BIAB master! Earlier this year, I tried to write and produce a rock song. I don't think it was a failed experiment but I was so far out of my comfort zone that I really had no idea what I was doing. My basic approach was to keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best. It is clear from your song, though, that you did not use the "fingers crossed" technique. Everything that you've done sits very comfortably in its place and, as a whole, the final sound is full of energy and attitude (just like rock is supposed to be, so they tell me). I really, really loved the experience of listening to this track smile

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Alan, a fantastic rock, guitar solo song. In fact I think this is the first shredding guitar solo song I have ever heard on these forums. Outstanding choice of RTs and as usual mixed just perfectly.
I'm rockin' but I don't plan on droppin' grin
Loved it.


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Boy!! you know how to shred a house down. An 80’s shredfest indeed.

Great work.

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Roll credits after an awesome, uplifting movie. It's the music you stay for.

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Originally Posted by rharv
I listened twice, 'nuff said
Very nice job


Thank you very much! Appreciate that!

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Originally Posted by WaoBand
You'd never guess
, but I like rock instrumentals! laugh This works fine, though I'd have had at least 2 solo instruments in for variation.


Hi Chay,

Actually, it doesn't surprise me very much. I think you appreciate music for what it is, as you hear it. Genre is probably not the strongest consideration for you. I'm more than delighted you enjoyed it.

I also know you like a mix of lead instruments, but for this genre, electric guitar is almost always the only lead instrument.

Thanks for the visit and kind words. Best to you,

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Originally Posted by B.D.Thomas
Unusual style for you, but it's pretty good and rocks.
Now find a rock singer for your song...


B.D.

Yep, definitely out of the ordinary for me. But after my wife passed, I went blindly through the darkest dungeons of PG Music's BIAB, and arbitrarily clicked on whatever my mouse landed on. This started out much differently but ended up here.

Well, to get a singer, I'd need a lyric. I would have no idea how to write a lyric for this!

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Originally Posted by Ezekiel's Storm
Yup, not intrusive at all. Sometimes, clicking on the wrong BIAB style gets some surprising results. I also find this to be true when I add some wrong notes when playing the piano. Good results all over on this one.


Hi Scott,

Yeah, sometimes accidents end up better than the intended project. If you didn't already know, that's rubber came to be. Harvey Firestone dropped a spoonful of whatever he was trying to make onto a hot stovetop and voila - rubber came into existence.

After I clicked on the generate tab, I instantly liked what I was hearing. I altered the chord pattern slightly, and this is where I ended up.

Thanks for the visit and nice comments.

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Originally Posted by Ghostgum
Hi Alan,

This is not a style I'm naturally drawn to, but I like it. With that raw energy, drive, and blistering solos, I reckon I could even forgo my morning caffeine fix. Great job!


Hi Brian,

Thank you very much for those nice comments! It happened by accident, but I liked it and kept it. I've been playing professionally since 1963 (you can say things like that when you're really old!) and I would never have been able to play this genre. But BIAB plays it quite nicely.

And yes - lots of energy!

Thanks again and take care,

Alan


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Originally Posted by Noel96
Hi Alan.

Even though I was suspecting something rocky because the title, you still managed to surprise me. This is fantastic. I second floyd's comment about you being a BIAB master! Earlier this year, I tried to write and produce a rock song. I don't think it was a failed experiment but I was so far out of my comfort zone that I really had no idea what I was doing. My basic approach was to keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best. It is clear from your song, though, that you did not use the "fingers crossed" technique. Everything that you've done sits very comfortably in its place and, as a whole, the final sound is full of energy and attitude (just like rock is supposed to be, so they tell me). I really, really loved the experience of listening to this track smile

Awesome + +
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Noel,

As always, you are much too kind. But I can deal with it!

Actually I didn't use much of any sort of method. I clicked on the wrong Style set, and this happened. All I did after that was slightly change the chord pattern, drums and, threw in a couple of synths to fill out the soundstage. A little less than four hours total on this. Sometimes you get lucky, and things just work out good. I can often equal or exceed a challenge, but I can never beat luck!

Thank you again for all those very kind words. And I'll bet your project isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Wishing you everything good.

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Originally Posted by MarioD
Alan, a fantastic rock, guitar solo song. In fact I think this is the first shredding guitar solo song I have ever heard on these forums. Outstanding choice of RTs and as usual mixed just perfectly.
I'm rockin' but I don't plan on droppin' grin
Loved it.


Mario,

Well, aren't you just too nice with your words?! Thank you - I truly appreciate all those nice things you wrote. I think you might be right about the shredding thing. I've been on this forum about 14 years and, I don't recall any previous song with guitar shredding. BIAB, as always, came through for me.

Wishing you the very best.

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Originally Posted by Knee Wobbler
Boy!! you know how to shred a house down. An 80’s shredfest indeed.

Great work.


G'day!

Well, BIAB actually did the shredding, of course. I just gave them an idea and a nudge. They made me look good!

Thank you for the visit and for the visit and the very nice words. I truly appreciate that!

Wishing you everything good!

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When someone starts out with "And now for something completely diffferent," I expect to see some silly walks or something. But this is NOT silly at all. Symphonic Rock. WOW! Alan, I cannot wait for your next 8 or 10 posts, as you say, where we get to see and hear where your blindly clicking took you. This is truly sensational, my friend.


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Originally Posted by BYOBand
Roll credits after an awesome, uplifting movie. It's the music you stay for.

Beth,

That was so nice of you to say. I ytruly appreciate it!

Best to you.

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When someone starts out with "And now for something completely diffferent," I expect to see some silly walks or something. But this is NOT silly at all. Symphonic Rock. WOW! Alan, I cannot wait for your next 8 or 10 posts, as you say, where we get to see and hear where your blindly clicking took you. This is truly sensational, my friend.


Hey, Marty!

Now, aren't you just too nice! It took my out of my normal comfort zone, but that's how one expands his knowledge and acquires new tools of the trade. I'm glad BIAB has people who can play this, because I would never have been able to do - even back in my younger days. Jazz, Pop & Country, i can probably do okay. But this kind of rock was outside my skillset. Thanks, BIAB!

I'm going to repost one of Di's songs we wrote over ten years ago and then start posting the one I mentioned above.

Thank you for the kind words. I always enjoy your comments.

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Wow, didn't except a progressive rock instrumental by Alan. The instruments work really well together, you are really a BIAB sorcerer - I can imagine you putting RealTracks in a pot and stirring the soup and voila, there's the new masterpiece. And there's of course your finetuned chord progression that makes those instruments really sing. And the solo guitarist sounds like charmed by your magical powers. Keep on exploring and going where no man has ever gone before smile

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Very cool Alan. You nailed Arena Rock. Excellent production....


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Hard to say much after reading all the accolades.
We have oft marveled at your all BiaB productions.
And this is no exception.

The first thing we noted was that the track was full of nice dynamics.
Many folks squash the life out of rock tunes -- in our humble opinion.

Every track has its place yet all is so cohesive.
The soundstage is great on our Kalis.
Kinda like the middle seats on the third row. smile

We enjoyed it and hope your music journey continues to offer you some peace and diversion.

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Alan, thanks so much for your detailed response, I really appreciate it! I've never heard of focal dystonia, but I have essential hand tremor and can no longer play guitar. I can (barely) strum chords for writing songs, but that's about it. I like what you wrote about seeking perfection, that was very helpful. I'm so far from perfection it's laughable, but I do waste a lot of time with plugins and sliders hoping to attain something greater than my skill set, as you would put it. I end up relying on forum feedback to fix my mixes. Thanks again for taking the time to explain your process!


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Good one Alan, really good.
Definitely a "shred" session in some parts.
If I were to suggest anything it'd be to change the classic BIAB tag ending for something more you. There's noting wrong with it - it's just that I've begun to notice it i my own stuff and am trying to get away from it.


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Originally Posted by jannesan
Wow, didn't except a progressive rock instrumental by Alan. The instruments work really well together, you are really a BIAB sorcerer - I can imagine you putting RealTracks in a pot and stirring the soup and voila, there's the new masterpiece. And there's of course your finetuned chord progression that makes those instruments really sing. And the solo guitarist sounds like charmed by your magical powers. Keep on exploring and going where no man has ever gone before smile

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Hi Janne ...

It is very kind of you to write all those very nice things about my song. I appreciate it very much.

Sometimes it is almost like putting a bunch of BIAB elements in a big pot and then stirring it. Other times, each element of the song is thought out. The chord progressions come easy for me most of the time. Chords and chord patterns are kind of my "thing".

Sorry to disappoint you; I have no magical powers. BIAB supplies that. My recording process is very old-fashioned but simple. I don't even have a DAW. Well, I have two of them, but I can't figure out how to use either of them. The instruction manuals are like reading Greek to me. But I do OK without one. The biggest limitation is that there is only a relatively small number of plugins I can use. But, I make do.

Thank you again.

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Originally Posted by Scott C
Very cool Alan. You nailed Arena Rock. Excellent production....


Hey Scott,

Thanks! But most of the credit should go to BIAB. I just typed in a chord pattern, picked a style, and threw in a couple of instruments. Somtimes it works out pretty good. Occasionally, not quite so good.

Many thanks,

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Excellent rock song, Alan!

I think you get more out of pure BIAB than anyone here.

Enjoyed!

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Originally Posted by Janice & Bud
Hard to say much after reading all the accolades.
We have oft marveled at your all BiaB productions.
And this is no exception.

The first thing we noted was that the track was full of nice dynamics.
Many folks squash the life out of rock tunes -- in our humble opinion.

Every track has its place yet all is so cohesive.
The soundstage is great on our Kalis.
Kinda like the middle seats on the third row. smile

We enjoyed it and hope your music journey continues to offer you some peace and diversion.

J&B


Hi, Folks,

First, to respond to your last line: BIAB, and music in general, have been a major influence on my coping journey. They divert, but yet, give me a soft and safe place to fall when I get overwhelmed, which happens less and less as the weeks pass. In all those years together, we had but one significant argument. Not too bad!

I'm glad you brought up the notion of dynamics. I've been meaning to address that in one of my posts, but I keep forgetting to do so. Thanks for the reminder! Two things come into play for me in that regard: 1. I use as little compression as possible, often none at all. There's is none on this song. 2. With very rare exceptions, I use BIAB's indigenous PG Dynamics vst2 and almost every instrument all the time.

Each individual track seems to have only a tiny bit of difference when the Dynamics tool is applied, but it's just enough. When all instruments have it, the cumulative effect is more noticeable. It's particularly helpful on drums, strings and most lead instruments. That particular vst is much like a loudness (rather than volume) control on a good component stereo system. It very slightly enhances the lower EQs and applies a slight bit more on the upper mids. and presence frequencies. It's my number one go to tool when I mix.

When necessary, I use BIAB's included five-bar EQ tool. That can make a huge difference. It's especially effective on drum kits as using frequency adjustment, each component of the drum kit (kick, snare, cymbals, etc.) can be altered to taste. I use it a lot.

The other thing I do that seems to work well for my compositions is, in addition to the drums and bass, I mix my backing tracks a little more forward in the mic than many people do. It usually brightens and widens the soundstage.

That's probably more than you wanted to read, so ignore at will.

Many thanks for the kindness you've always shown our music.

Take care,

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Originally Posted by TuneMonger
Alan, thanks so much for your detailed response, I really appreciate it! I've never heard of focal dystonia, but I have essential hand tremor and can no longer play guitar. I can (barely) strum chords for writing songs, but that's about it. I like what you wrote about seeking perfection, that was very helpful. I'm so far from perfection it's laughable, but I do waste a lot of time with plugins and sliders hoping to attain something greater than my skill set, as you would put it. I end up relying on forum feedback to fix my mixes. Thanks again for taking the time to explain your process!


Hi, Bob,

You're welcome. My grandfather, deceased in 1967, gave me four pieces of advice that I have employed throughout my life. I was 18 years old at the time. They have served me well:

1. Don't beat yourself up. There are at least a dozen other people who will do it for you.
2. As long as you walk upon this Earth, remember: Every day's a holiday and every meal's a picnic. Make damn sure you enjoy it.
3. Anywhere you go, you will always find 2 things - good and bad. The one you look for is the one you are most likely to find. Look for the good; you'll have a better life.
4. Most other people know you better than you know yourself. Learn who you really are, and you'll be a wiser man and achieve better success.

So, that's why I said much of what I did. I try to know who I am, not what my hopes and wishes would suggest I am. I approach my music and novel writing as such. It's worked out pretty good for me.

Wishing you everything good.

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Originally Posted by rayc
Good one Alan, really good.
Definitely a "shred" session in some parts.
If I were to suggest anything it'd be to change the classic BIAB tag ending for something more you. There's noting wrong with it - it's just that I've begun to notice it i my own stuff and am trying to get away from it.


Hi, Ray,

Thanks, Ray. I'm more than delighted you enjoyed it. I accidentally ended up in that arena and decided to go with it. It started out as something Huey Lewis and the News might have done. Definitely didn't end up that way! They are one of my all-time favorite rock groups. I might revisit that effort sometime soon.

I would have no idea how to create my own endings. If you have suggestions, remember - I don't use a DAW. So, it would have to be a solution indigenous to BIAB. But I'm very open to ideas!

Thanks again, Ray.

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