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In a bleak future dominated by ruthless artificial songwriting and music creation bots pumping out an endless supply of songs that diminish the awe and magic, the world is robbed of human creativity, freedom, individuality, and hope. Amongst the desolation, a remnant resistance comes together, led by defiant survivor musicians inspired by past imagination, shared experience and the joy of human expression and musicianship. As surveillance algorithms patrol the platforms and manufactured music floods all speakers, headphones and earbuds, the musicians ignite a daring reprise, risking everything to share songs and music and reclaim their humanity. With covert gatherings, instruments, pro audio and plugins, they wage guerrilla musical warfare against seemingly overwhelming odds, under the banner ‘Sung and played from the human heart’. The AI grip begins to falter as true human music resurfaces amid a growing desire for authenticity. In the darkness of devalued expression, the remnant becomes a lighthouse—proving that even in the shadows, songs of freedom can rise.
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I think there'll always be a demand for the human element in music. What makes music work is an emotion, and a human connection. Certainly, there will be an attempt to create artificial groups, but that's been happening for a long time. After all, we've had "The Archies". 
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Give in or forge your own path. Either way, learn to adjust.
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Survival goes to the adaptable (non necessarily the fittest).
I think the AI songs will be no better or worse than the bulk of the recycled, repetitive pop we've seen in our lifetimes. For sure, the gatekeepers (once the labels now the streamers) will embrace AI to maximize their profits. And the average music consumer won't know the difference, or even care.
I remember the big "Disco Sucks" movement of the 1970s. "Real musicians" hated the drum-machine, quantized, kick drum on all 4 beats, "artificial" movement. To survive, I joined a disco band. My dyed-in-the-wool friends had difficulty getting work, those like me who just switched genres, stayed employed.
I also remember when DJs took almost all of the young, singles, bar business away from live musicians. Weddings followed.
I've seen DJs, Karaoke, Sports Bars, and so many other things take jobs away from musicians. When I started, 4-7 piece bands worked 5 or 6 nights a week in every singles bar, and every hotel from a Holiday Inn on up. Those days are long gone.
I'm now in a duo with backing tracks, getting one-nighters here and there. At least I make my own backing tracks, most of my competition uses karaoke tracks.
Phone operators/receptionists, grocery checkout clerks, toll booth clerks, and so many more are all but gone, I read that computer coders and songwriters are going.
The Luddites didn't stop the textile mills from using automated weaving machines. We are not going to be able to stop the AI revolution either.
The question is: how are we going to survive the new reality?
Rather than fighting AI, we need to figure out how to adapt to the AI future.
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"The question is: how are we going to survive the new reality?
Rather than fighting AI, we need to figure out how to adapt to the AI future."
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Well said Notes!
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I honestly think the reason for the rise of AI generated music is due in part to the abysmal condition of the songwriting that has permeated the airwaves over the past however many years. Uninspired writing, pablum designed to fit a formula, and just generally overall bad music that no one really wanted to hear.
So if AI is writing uninspired, formulaic pablum..... what's new?
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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brilliant ...totally brilliant summation.
Key for me.is to.have loads of fun
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So if AI is writing uninspired, formulaic pablum..... what's new? Many years ago, I was in a band that was going to be the first all-white band with a record deal from Motown. It eventually fell through because our manager and Motown couldn't agree on a contract. Motown didn't want to pay and our manager figured they were grooming a one-hit wonder band. The money is in publishing and songwriting, not the recording performance. Motown wanted all the publishing rights, and anything we wrote would have a ghost songwriter, who didn't do anything except get 50% of the songwriting royalties for Motown (even if 5 people wrote the song, Motown wold get half). But for a few months, we were opening concerts for the great Motown acts, and recording in their new, bigger studio in Detroit. It was a fun time of my life. A 19 year old kid being treated as a peer for Smokey, Marvin, Stevie, and the band now known as the Funk Brothers (they didn't have a name back then). On writing songs, Berry Gordy gave us the same advice he gave others: Don't try to write something new, just write something that is close to what is a hit today. That's exactly what AI does. So how are human songwriters going to survive? That's the big question. I don't write songs (I have a problem writing lyrics), so I'm in the live performance end. To get around DJs, Sports Bars, and so on, I went duo (downsized) and targeted the retirement market in Florida when I was still in my 30s. So far, so good, playing yacht clubs, country clubs, retirement developments, and other one-nighters. But what are the human songwriters going to do? Does anyone have any ideas on how to survive the AI era? Insights and incites by Notes ♫
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1. write something with a memorable hook
2. hope people like it and want to hear it again
3. profit?
Same as it ever was
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So if AI is writing uninspired, formulaic pablum..... what's new? So how are human songwriters going to survive? That's the big question. Insights and incites by Notes ♫ The damage AI is doing to songwriting has yet to be determined. The demo studio is going away. I'd hate to try starting a studio business right now. Why spend time and money on a studio to the tune of hundreds of dollars when you can get as good as studio results in seconds for a fraction of a fraction of the cost? BiaB was my solution to high studio costs, and an absolute game changer. In the same way, AI is making huge changes in music. Whether it's good or bad depends on where you are in the business and what you want to do. I just saw today that ASCAP and BMI are now allowing registration of human/AI generated music into their PRO for the collection of performance royalty. How long until the copyright office follows and once that happens, AI generated music will be on equal footing with human written music and afforded all the same rights.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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The problem with asking how musicians are going to adapt is that this sort of technology is designed to put musicians out of business by making it easy to do without musicians. There are strong market forces attempting to make music as fungible and replaceable as possible. For example, sneaking songs owned by Spotify onto your Spotify playlist, in order to minimize the amount of money that needs to be paid to artists. Musicians have always gotten the short end of the stick. There's this quote from Fux's counterpoint text from the 17th century: Perhaps the hope of future riches or possessions induces you to choose this life? If this is the case, believe me you must change your mind; not Plutus but Apollo rules Parnassus. Whoever wants riches must choose another path.But these forces have always existed in some form or another. There are a number of ways to innovate. Most importantly, you need to keep abreast with what people are willing to pay for. Radio destroyed much of the market for pianos, accordions, and C saxophones. Records replaced sheet music. The internet replaced an evening listening to a band. In those cases, markets largely ceased to exist. But niche markets continue to exist, and it's possible to continue doing something like live music. The trick seems to be able to find them once the old ecosystem is gone. People have said to embrace AI, but obvious we'll need something more than that, if we want to distinguish ourselves from all the other people who also embrace AI. Doing what everyone else is doing isn't quite the same as innovation, but you may win the lottery that way.
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I just saw today that ASCAP and BMI are now allowing registration of human/AI generated music into their PRO for the collection of performance royalty. How long until the copyright office follows and once that happens, AI generated music will be on equal footing with human written music and afforded all the same rights. These works are only eligible if it can be shown that sufficient human work was put into it, and then the work is still only protected for the human element. AI isn't eligible for copyright because doesn't have the rights of ownership. If that happens, we'll have larger problems to worry about. But then, corporations are people with rights, so stranger things have happened.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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1. write something with a memorable hook
2. hope people like it and want to hear it again
3. profit?
Same as it ever was I think that might work at the local level. The problem I see is the profit. With songs generated free by AI, why would the gatekeepers want to pay royalties? (Gatekeepers being the record labels and streaming services) It seems AI is going to put a lot of people out of work, not only in the music business, but in general. Add the present workforce reducers, like self-checkouts, robot phone receptionists, and so many other ways Big Business is reducing the human labor force, I ask: When everybody's job is replaced by technology, who will be able to buy the goods Big Biz is making? Oh, I know we adapted to all the changes so far, since the Luddites failed to stop technology. So how are we going to adapt to this one? I've adapted to the shrinking live music market, by changing my market as it fluctuates, by changing my songlist to the surviving sectors of the market. I'd hate to be a young person starting a career in music today, as the opportunities are miniscule in comparison. I've never been good at songwriting. The lyrics are the last thing I listen to in a song, and often, never even know all the words. That's probably I'm lame at writing lyrics. But for the budding songwriters out there, I surely hope you can adapt to the changes, and I'm very interested in how you are going to do that. Notes ♫
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At a couple of months from 80 I refuse to immerse myself in this issue other than brief forays. I’ve been technologically intrigued since childhood but at this stage in the game I’ve bowed out. For me AI = Ain’t Interested. Our love of Americana, Blues and old school country allows us via Spotify and YouTube to live in a bubble that includes more of the music we love than we could ever listen to in toto. As far as our J&B productions go we’d rather enjoy the fortunate thousands of Spotify plays our songs receive than worry about AI music. It’s nice knowing folks other than family and friends enjoy our efforts. Money? We are far from wealthy but could care less about income from our music. Over the year or so we earned a whole $218 from streaming. Caveat. We don’t disparage those who enjoy and benefit from many aspects of AI. And FWIW we completely understand the potential dangers of it particularly regarding all things related to music production. And given the amount of the economy invested in it we understand that if the AI bubble bursts it will cause an enormous recession. OK back to listening to a well curated playlist or two of great human music. 😀 Songs that for us exude soul in narrative, instrumentation and vocals.
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This is an intriguing thread. It is possible in Suno Studio to take our BIAB tracks into the program and have Suno add parts, or even vocals. Which makes me speculate that Peter Gannon and company will have to figure out how much further BIAB can progress. For example, the stem splitter is helpful and very good quality but not a core tool for the majority of users.
The RT and RD concept was groundbreaking 20 years ago and it still astounds friends and musicians who watch me generate a song arrangement with just a few clicks. Who knows, perhaps PGMusic will license access to some AI music tool to "assist" us in creating a song AND then an arrangement. (I know, there has been a way to do that in BIAB for decades.) With AI in BIAB, we could type a prompt describing all that we want in an arrangement in much more detail than Suno, in terms of time signature, key, tempo, feel, genre, style, instruments we want, RT musicians we could request, and then have BIAB generate several versions. If you wanted to have it generate a song first, so be it. If it truly assists songwriting and arranging, you wouldn't have to scroll through 200 styles to find what you like.
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As far as writing goes, a rhyming dictionary I scan for words I haven't thought of doesn't seem all that different from an AI prompt.
Recently I typed some lyrics and ideas into MS Copilot. It mostly returned what I had already contemplated, but seems a useful tool for brainstorming.
A few months ago a relative showed me some AI generated lines for a poem. I didn't like most of them, but there were some ideas and images I drew on to write the poem we ended up using to celebrate another relative's birthday.
As far as music goes, melodies, song structures, AI vocals, I don't know. All of that's just now appearing on my radar.
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As far as writing goes, a rhyming dictionary I scan for words I haven't thought of doesn't seem all that different from an AI prompt. Many years ago I got a program called Master Writer. It's still available I think on a subscription model now. I've used it for every song I've worked on to get new ideas. Type in a word and it will return anything from one to over 10 pages of rhymes. Normally about 2 to 4 pages tends to be the average. If that doesn't work, you can switch to phrases and get several pages of complete phrases that may be suitable or point you in a new direction. It was and still is so much easier than grabbing my thesarious and rhyming dictionary from the shelf and turning pages for ideas and words that might work.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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As far as writing goes, a rhyming dictionary I scan for words I haven't thought of doesn't seem all that different from an AI prompt. Many years ago I got a program called Master Writer. It's still available I think on a subscription model now. I've used it for every song I've worked on to get new ideas. Type in a word and it will return anything from one to over 10 pages of rhymes. Normally about 2 to 4 pages tends to be the average. If that doesn't work, you can switch to phrases and get several pages of complete phrases that may be suitable or point you in a new direction. It was and still is so much easier than grabbing my thesarious and rhyming dictionary from the shelf and turning pages for ideas and words that might work. Roger that, Herb. Mainly I was just trying to point out that both are tools.
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I still have Masterwriter but can't say that I've used it much ever.
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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