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I did the Hudson's parade a few times and a couple in Canada and one in Florida (never did Macy's)
Believe me, the Florida one was by far the worst
The 50-70 degree days with practices in October are where you get the stamina.
I honestly looked forward to the colder ones, no problem staying warm, but trying to cool off in the Florida parade was nigh impossible.
Once it gets cold enough the horn starts freezing, though, is also not pleasant.
The warm air you blow thru the horn condensates and freezes, causing multiple issues no matter how much oil you put on the valves or grease on the slides.
/but it does build character <grin>
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🎼 Why 432 specifically gets attention
This is where things get interesting for musicians like you:
432 Hz tuning has been romanticized as “more natural,” “cosmic,” or “mathematically pure” 4+3+2=9, 9 is magic in mathematics and music.
🌀 Why this makes 9 feel mystical
Even without the Tesla mythology, 9 has some genuinely strange properties:
Any number multiplied by 9 reduces back to 9
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Any number added to 9 reduces to the same digital root as the original number
9 is the only digit that behaves like this
It’s the absorber and the eraser at the same time.
🎸 A musical parallel you might appreciate
It’s a bit like a drone note in music:
It’s always present
It colors everything
But it doesn’t change the harmonic identity of the chord you’re playing over it
It’s both part of the sound and outside the movement
That’s why people get drawn to 9 — it has that “always there, always not there” quality you just described.
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Not too shabby for a college kid. "There is a unique complexity to this language because while learning it, the only way to comprehend it is to put it into action."
"People conversing in the language of music all express themselves at the same time to create a harmonic blend of sound and rhythm that moves not only the artists but also all those within hearing distance."
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Especially when you are playing trumpet in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade in 30F temperature - been there - done that. Here in South Florida, the winters are usually mild. But when a huge deep-freeze blizzard hits the northeast states, we might get the tail end. Night temperatures in the low 40s and only 60 in the day. Then it warms back up to the 60s at night and 70s in the day typically the next day, and rarely a couple. My first year of high school, our band marched in the Orange Bowl parade. It's something they did every year. Yes, it was one of “those” nights. I had long pajamas under my band uniform, and still froze. The next year I had a gig offer. I asked the band director for advice. He told me to take the gig. We can march with one less saxophone, and the gig experience will be good for you. Even though the band marched in the Orange Bowl every year, that was the last one for me. On New Year's Eve, there are more gigs available than there are musicians to fill them. So it's easy to get booked. Plus, it's the one night of the year when we get paid what we think we are worth, thanks to supply and demand. Notes ♫
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Here in South Florida, the winters are usually mild. But when a huge deep-freeze blizzard hits the northeast states, we might get the tail end. Night temperatures in the low 40s and only 60 in the day. Then it warms back up to the 60s at night and 70s in the day typically the next day, and rarely a couple.
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Notes ♫ You're breaking my heart Notes  Woke up at 7:30AM yesterday to 2F (-16.7C) and today at 1:30PM it is 9F (-13.8C). Now I have to go out and snowblow and shovel my driveway.
OK, a random thought;
Why does toilet paper need a commercial? Who's not buying it?
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Same here Mario, I cannot even get out of driveway. It will be -1 in the morning with more snow on the way.
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I’m looking out at snow that is paralyzing the Mid-Hudson Valley of New York and remembering this would have been called a little dusting where I grew up in the Adirondacks. About playing the trumpet in the cold, this is why there are so many people who USED to play trumpet. I frequently wonder what they know that I don’t.
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Though born in New York, I grew up in Florida. After the Air Force gave me a 4F rating when I tried to enlist, I decided to tour the country in a road band. It was for singles clubs in college towns before DJs took that business away from bands.
The tour included Ishpeming Michigan, in the Upper Peninsula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishpeming,_Michigan
It was halfway between Northern Michigan University and K.I.Sawyer Air Force Base (it's no longer there), and the people from both came to the lounge to party and hopefully find romance.
It snowed every day, except for the day we were covered by freezing rain. I got to see a lot of snow up there, learned how to drive in it, and one Sunday evening, my car broke down. It was -35°F (-37°C) with gale force winds, and the nearest open store for shelter was 5 miles away.
>> fast forward to the present >>
This latest storm to blow through is a monster, so I feel your pain. I hope you all keep your power and heat on and suffer no losses in the storm. Stay safe and warm.
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In my school days, ~60 years ago now, music was also on the curriculum. In elementary school I learned the note lengths & names(*) and played the occasional 'ting' on a triangle. Sounds like you were exposed to more music in elementary school that I was and in high school I had no instruction at all. But in college we were required to take a Music Appreciation class that touched on classical music as well as popular music. I wish I had more instruction, including private lessons.
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In my school days, ~60 years ago now, music was also on the curriculum. In elementary school I learned the note lengths & names(*) and played the occasional 'ting' on a triangle. Sounds like you were exposed to more music in elementary school that I was and in high school I had no instruction at all. But in college we were required to take a Music Appreciation class that touched on classical music as well as popular music. I wish I had more instruction, including private lessons. That's what I am a huge proponent of. Music should be taught in school. Maybe I was lucky but I had band class in 2nd grade (my parents were not so lucky because they had to attend that recital) Then we moved from Detroit area north and I had to wait until 5th grade to have a band class again. Music students learn differently than others, as I tried to state in my essay. A lot of math and dexterity and thinking becomes second nature just from practice. When you have a class, you practice more than private lessons. At least I did. I did both at the same time for a lot of years (school and private) and I can guarantee you I was going to disappoint that one private teacher before disappointing a whole class. //well that & the private was a LOT harder once they knew my capabilities
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Another interesting statement.
Even though most nonmusicians can’t name a chord on hearing it, or label it as major or minor, if they hear a major and minor chord back to back they can tell the difference. And their brains can certainly tell the difference – a number of studies have shown that nonmusicians produce different physiological responses to major versus minor chords, and major versus minor keys
I wonder how many musicians can label a chord upon hearing it.
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Another interesting statement.
Even though most nonmusicians can’t name a chord on hearing it, or label it as major or minor, if they hear a major and minor chord back to back they can tell the difference. And their brains can certainly tell the difference – a number of studies have shown that nonmusicians produce different physiological responses to major versus minor chords, and major versus minor keys
I wonder how many musicians can label a chord upon hearing it. Sort of related, but I am fascinated how minor chords in certain song contexts lose their ‘minor-ishness’, whereas in others they sound minor. It must have something to do with the brain interpretation - analogy: seeing the sentence and not the word. Andrew
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Sort of related, but I am fascinated how minor chords in certain song contexts lose their ‘minor-ishness’, whereas in others they sound minor. It must have something to do with the brain interpretation - analogy: seeing the sentence and not the word.
Andrew I think it has to do with the chords that surround it, and it's relation to both the key of the song and the melody. For example, many jazz songs use the ii V7 I progression (Dm7 G7 C in C) and the minor chord does not sound like so many people expect a minor chord to sound. But I've never been one to think major chords sound happy and minor ones sound sad. And I don't expect the audience to be able to tell if a chord is minor or whatever or identify it. They just need to enjoy the music. We are the pros, we are supposed to know. I enjoy using Band-in-a-Box, but have very little idea about the code it takes to create that fine app. I don't have to know aerodynamics to hop in a plane and fly off to a vacation. Music is a common language. When working on cruise ships, I met some Spanish-speaking musicians in our long port, San Juan PR. My Spanish language is baby-talk, a couple of musicians spoke a bit of English and others none at all, but they put charts down, and we had a good time playing music together. I like songs from any genre of music if the melody, harmony, and rhythm speak to me. I don't know exactly why some songs reach me and others do not, and I've thought about it a lot. So I don't expect the audience to know why either. For me, and hopefully to my audience, the music reaches their brain in a non-verbal, emotional communication.
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Sort of related, but I am fascinated how minor chords in certain song contexts lose their ‘minor-ishness’, whereas in others they sound minor. It must have something to do with the brain interpretation - analogy: seeing the sentence and not the word.
Andrew I agree and am fascinated by major vs minor. My guess is that it's related to the intervals involved and how we are wired to find pleasantness in octaves and 5ths and when we depart from those pleasant chord qualities we hear "darker/sadder " chords. Do you have song examples that show minor-ish vs non minor-ish where each contain minor chords? This is what I was able to find. Hearing Chords
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Do you have song examples that show minor-ish vs non minor-ish where each contain minor chords?
… Hi BT This is just a random selection without any in-depth research. The first two songs have a verse chord progression of E - F#m - G#m, and the ii and iii do not sound minor to me. Maybe it’s the harmonic context or maybe some chord extensions or the bass line? How to make gravy (Covid lock-in version) Goldenhorse - Maybe tomorrow The next two examples are songs that have both the minor and major chord (e.g. Am and Amaj) in the same song The Beatles - While my guitar gently weeps To me, the major chorus even sounds sad. Squeeze - Is that love? In this song, I can hear the shift from minor to major, so each retains their ‘nature’. Listening to these songs made me think … - The context and instrumentation influences the sound
- The impact of chord extensions and bass notes used
- My perception or preconceived notions of whether the chords should sound sad or happy
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Hi BT This is just a random selection without any in-depth research. Listening to these songs made me think … - The context and instrumentation influences the sound
- The impact of chord extensions and bass notes used
- My perception or preconceived notions of whether the chords should sound sad or happy
Andrew Hmmm, clearly you have superior listening skills that I. I don't think I can add anything here you don't already know, hopefully someone else can comment. I can say that I never heard How to make Gravy before and there is something masterfully emotional about that video.I'm going to attempt to work on a bass line for that song. According to Fender Studio Pro it has an E - F#m7 - A - E - A - B chord progression. Cool tune for sure.
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