Originally Posted by Charlie Fogle
Thanks for you comment. The point this thread and your response are missing is that the conversation is being framed entirely in DAW terminology and mindset. DAW looping standards don’t apply to BIAB. To use BIAB effectively, DAW users need to understand BIAB’s own standards and approach. BIAB is not a DAW, and it handles audio and musical material differently. The architecture between the two is fundamentally different.

Some of the six different looping functions relate to how the looping is being used; editing, practice, composing, teaching, or auditioning ideas. Some loop functions are optimized for exact repetition, while others may regenerate new material. Expecting identical playback on every loop applies to DAWs, but not necessarily to BIAB.

Don’t expect BIAB to behave like a DAW. Approaching it from BIAB’s generative perspective, the looping behavior is consistent with its design, even if it looks different from what DAW users might expect. DAW users need to change mindset. BIAB doesn’t need to be re-designed.

I can agree that we shouldn't necessarily expect BIAB to behave exactly like a DAW, however, I don't think this is the argument. Terminology does matter and so does expected behaviour. If a button says "Loop selected" then I expect it to loop selected. In audio displays this is not what happens, it loops to underlying bar. Also, I expect F10 to do the same in each window, i.e., "loop selected". This is maybe not a big deal but all these small things add up to frustration after a lot of use. The only consistent thing in BIAB is inconsistency.

So many things just seem crazy. the "loop entire song" button for instance. Click to open menu and then choose from three options. Two of those options can also be ticked / enabled or unticked disabled. What is the point? No matter which option I click, there are only two outcomes - the entire song will loop - or not loop. Why make it so unnecessarily cumbersome? A simple on / off toggle with no menu option at all will not only do what we expect but will also be one less pointlessly annoying thing. Yes, a small issue, but still one of far too many.

I could make the same argument about terminology. If BIAB is designed to do everything different from the norm, then PG should stop using typical DAW terminology.

Again, all fairly minor problems but I could go through a typical day using this software and come across far too many similar, needless, agravations. It all adds up to a lot of frustration.

Last edited by Lee N; 01/31/26 04:40 PM.