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One thing I've never gotten over is incredible fear that during a performance, I am going to forget the words, or the chords, over a certain part of a song. Especially if my goal is to have at least 3 sets of 45-minutes of music - which is probably a lot (how much is reasonable to perform at a restaurant for a fair night's pay ?) I am definitely in Mac's camp on owning the performance and not needing to look at sheet music or a laptop or iPad screen (but don't use and iPad screen at an MS function !!! I think once committed to memory, more of the player's energy can be spent on articulation, phrasing, connecting with the audience (importance of eye contact, smiles), and performance art (dance moves, making contorted faces during difficult passages ha ha lol - whatever you're 'thing'. Now - a couple of ways around this: 1.) so it's a little cheesier looking - use the sheet music or laptop screen 2.) practice so much that the muscle memory and degree of practice make forgetting very unlikely (not really an option for me - given my love for the novel and inability to make the amount of practice time that would get me to this point) 3.) learn to recover from a quick forgetting of a chord or passage (easier said than done - especially for very fixed pieces - like classical) I was just wondering if anyone else suffers from this particular fear of performing, and if so - how they overcame it ? I suppose I could just play an overall shorter set of music, and go for number 2 above. I think, because music is a hobby for me - and I'm more inclined to talk about it, tinker with technology, and watch movies than practice my instrument, that this is the real root of my problem in this area : )
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The only note I ever remember before I get on stage is the first one. Maybe you can swim but can you explain exactly what you do to you yourself?
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a better question might be "is there anyone who DOESN'T?"
You can set a standard of not performing until you own the piece... but for some of us, that would mean we could never perform. Owning the piece is a mark of professionalism... but I don't see myself as a pro. I'm just a paid amateur. I will definitely have to rely on sheet music (at least for emergencies) when I get back onstage.
BobCFlatpicker mentioned a while back that a good alternative to writing out all the words is to have a cheat sheet with just the first few words of each verse. Since we tend to get stuck on the beginnings, that is usually enough to keep your momentum.
Another consideration is how many songs are you preparing? If you are a guest musician playing one or two songs, yeah, owning the song is the only way to go. But if you're like Danny Campo or some of the other guys here who have a huge set list of several hundred songs, it would be hard to keep that many chords and lyrics memorized unless you're a lot less brain-dead than I am.
So, in summary, my approach will be to use visual aids (printed sheet music or embeded lyrics in the sequence) in order to build confidence and get things rolling. With practice I expect to need it less, which has been true in the past when I performed.
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Q: How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
A: PRACTICE
I know no shortcuts to spending the time it takes to practice.
However, the smart musician can learn how to practice more efficiently, eliminating much of the drudgery that people put onto themselves by not practicing as efficiently as possible. That translates to speeding up the process considerably.
Practice is repetition.
Memorizing songs starts with the first one.
Set a goal.
Meet the goal.
Rinse, Repeat.
Daily.
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In our duo we have over 550 songs. That's a lot of memorization. Plus we are using backing tracks, so losing your place in the arrangement is unforgivable. By that I mean the track will go on whether you know what part of the arrangement you are in or not.
Add to the above that there are some people who think they can talk to you while you are performing (make requests, happy birthday announcements, etc.) and it can be dangerous up there.
So I keep a laptop with either the words/chords or music chart up there. On most songs I don't have to look at it, but it's nice having it there. However there are cases when it is needed (1) new songs that haven't been quite put to memory yet (2) old songs that we haven't played in a few months and (3) when someone or something interrupts your flow during a song. In those 3 cases it's nice to have something to glance at to get you back on track.
Not many people in the audience want to see you with your nose buried in the music, but so far nobody has made an issue of an occasional glance when needed any more than they worry about an occasional glance at the guitar neck.
When I was younger and in bands that didn't have tracks, everything was put to memory very quickly and no music was on stage. But the band could vamp until we found our place, and we had the rule to always go forward, so if someone messed up the arrangement, we always recovered by knowing which way to go.
But those were simpler times, a band only needed 50 or so songs to get through a night, and playing Top40, the audience didn't want more. Just the new hits and the recent ones so we learned new songs and dropped old ones as we went along.
I think a lot also depends on the kind of venue you are performing in. Last month we played an hour concert opening the Martin County Florida Chautauqua South festival. No "cheat sheets" were used, we had a great time, did 15 minutes of encores and got a standing O when we finished. I suppose we could have put the music in front of us for that occasional glance and gotten the same response, but in a venue like that, but to me it it just seems like it would look wrong to the audience.
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You don't say if you are working to backing tracks which you have previously recorded vocal If this is so, then put your "sung" version down one channel of your PA and have this go directly to your radio earpiece. The BT version is on channel 2 shall we say, and maybe is now essentially mono. It amazing how easily we can sing along to someone velses words and get them Bang On. Just a thought Ian
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In most cases, it doesn't matter if you forget the words. Nobody is listening anyway. They are on their iPhones texting their "BFF".
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How true is that!!! 50% of your audience is either there under sufferance (wives,gfs etc)or there to get wasted. Concentrate on pleasing the 50% who COULD give a Damn. Ian
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if i played a couple nights each weeh i would remember all the songs or close to it. i play live three four times a year i scroll the chords and lyric in RB that way i keep up. i try not to look often, but it is there for support.
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How true is that!!! 50% of your audience is either there under sufferance (wives,gfs etc)or there to get wasted. Concentrate on pleasing the 50% who COULD give a Damn. Ian
Depends on the place, really. Bars - people are there to get drunk or hook up. Restaurants - people are there to eat, not listen to music. People today are so self-absorbed that few will even acknowledge a musician. Tommy Emmanuel could be playing, and most people would just yawn.
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My wife and her band were playing a bar gig. Finally someone came up and said they had a request. Of course, the band was delighted until they heard the request:
"Can you turn it down? We can't hear the game.",
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We had a gig at the Sheraton in Spartanburg, S.C. The manager booked us on a night that U.S.C. was playing. they're serious about their football in South Carolina.
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There is this moment that seems to happen once during each job. I'm getting down, maybe half way through a solo...when suddenly I realize that I have been playing and/or singing on complete auto-pilot for the last minute. I've been doing fine up to the point that I realize I have been mindlessly running my fingers across the fretboard. Then in that moment of realization that I have been effortlessly playing without thinking....I can't think...what key is this song in? Is this the second verse or the third? Did I remember to pull the E string up from that drop D tuning in the previous song? My heart freezes while these thoughts go through my head and either hit a wrong note (or 2) until my brain and my body reconnect, or I get it figured out before I screw the song up. Playing live. I love it.
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There is this moment that seems to happen once during each job. I'm getting down, maybe half way through a solo...when suddenly I realize that I have been playing and/or singing on complete auto-pilot for the last minute. I've been doing fine up to the point that I realize I have been mindlessly running my fingers across the fretboard. Then in that moment of realization that I have been effortlessly playing without thinking....I can't think...what key is this song in? Is this the second verse or the third? Did I remember to pull the E string up from that drop D tuning in the previous song? My heart freezes while these thoughts go through my head and either hit a wrong note (or 2) until my brain and my body reconnect, or I get it figured out before I screw the song up. Playing live. I love it.
That was a "senior moment". Here's a song about that:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Xv1tMioGgXI?rel=0
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Well, I'm 61 but the sad thing is that the same thing used to happen to me when I was 21. Of course some of those were probably 420 moments.
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My wife and her band were playing a bar gig. Finally someone came up and said they had a request. Of course, the band was delighted until they heard the request:
"Can you turn it down? We can't hear the game.",
Gee Matt I've never heard of that song!
Can you hum a few bars?
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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That's like when someone requests "Somewhere Else." as in - "Could you please play somewhere else?
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I have not played live nearly as much as some here but it always amazes me when I step up to the mic and cannot remember the first line of a song I have been playing for 30 years! So I like the idea of having a cheat sheet; at least have the first few words of each song to get you started! And FWIW, Bruce Springsteen uses a teleprompter! And according to this article so does Paul McCartney, Tom Petty, Elton John and Barbra Streisand! http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-...prompter-lyricsSo if you use a cheat sheet you are certainly in good company!
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And Sinatra used one towards the end of his career.
Cheers, Keith
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In Spartanburg you would they would be cheering the Clemson tigers!
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