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You can bash Taylor all you want -- but where does that leave you? Nowhere. Most of the songs I write in the country vein are more traditional in nature -- therefore, they are not marketable or pitchable. That's the way it goes.
I've heard guitar/vocals of Taylor live with no auto-tune. She's no Alison Krause, but she still sounds pretty decent. "Female Vocalist of the Year" -- does that go to the best pure singer or the top country female draw? I've tried to listen to country radio lately and there are still a lot of good mainstream songs being written. I just can't handle the commercials and the yapping.
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I don't think anyone here is "bashing" Taylor Swift.
Heck, that last person who did that is in re-hab and performing community service.
So truely nothing personal. For me it was the first time I had ever heard her sing. She performed twice at the CMA and, to my ears, her voice and performance were less than award winning. BTW, did you hear the voice on that gal from Sugerland!
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Hmm... It's getting warm in here,
Problem is, the music industry in general, not just country is just one big money spinning monster !
It makes me happy that my involvement is on a minuscule level and I only have to please the holidaymakers in the local hotels and be in control of my own gigs and CD sales!
Don't think I'll ever need to worry about getting a CMA award ;o)
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First off, the YouTube video has obviously warped audio. How Scott didn't catch that is beyond me.
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"It's not country", "It's crap", "She has no talent" -- the crying and whining of the irrelevant.
Sorry guys, Nashville really doesn't care about your opinion -- your not buying records these days.
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Kevin, anyone with money is relevant and anyone not selling to a person with money is a fool. This is part of the reason why radio stations are going under and the music industry isn't selling music much today. And their excuses are hysterical. They blame file trading, MP3s, internet/XM/Sirius radio, video games, swine flu...you name it. No mention of their own bad business plan and all of the boring artists that they promote. The real whining and crying that I hear is from the lawyers and executives in the RIAA.
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I didn't watch the YouTube video - it was playing on another tab while I typed. On a second listen/view, the rest of the audio is just plain fine - George is singing out of tune in many places - particularly when he's putting any power behind the voice.
Hey, I really LIKE George Strait. I think he's the real deal. Alan Jackson is pretty off as well in that video.
If it was 'warped audio' then the guitars and fiddles and lap steel would sound out of tune. Not the case. The guys are way way off.
I also like Alan Jackson - Way Down Yonder on the Chattahoochee has a particular sentimental meaning for me and my wife. I never thought he was particularly a 'good' singer. In fact, I can't think of many country musicians I enjoy recent or in the past who I would call 'good' singers.
Some of my favorites have particularly 'annoying' voices. Emmylou Harris comes to mind right of the bat. As for 'good' singing technique, she's terrible. As for authenticity and a way for writing - magnificient.
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Mario, Yes I do indeed use the Pg products to back me up when I play and sing. But i've never used pitch correction. I don't know if it's powerful enough to fix my singing! LOL. I just don't want to see talent supplanted by electronics and make stars out of people who aren't talented. And I'm not saying Taylor Swift isn't talented. She is. It's kind of nice to see the "warts and blemishes" when someone performs. Heck, take Willie Nelson for example. I enjoy listening to him even when he's off key because of the "character" of his voice. Bob 
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Taylor swift is not the vocalist Martina McBride, Carrie Underwood or even Reba is, but what she is, is a bright articulate young lady who writes here own music, music that as she has said is a dairy of her young life. Lyrics that touch other young people, and do not include trash and smut, like so much of popular music today. She withstood the Kanye West incident like a woman far older and wiser. While her music is not old school traditional country, so is so much of what is recorded in Nashville today. There are many sub-genres of country just as there are pop music. martina is not traditional country, neither is Carrie Underwood. Keith Urban is less traditional than say George Strait, or for that matter Brad Paisley. Not all pop is the same think of Elvis vs the Beatles, vs Niel Diamond, vs U2, vs Elton John, vs Culture Club, etc.
To dismiss Taylor Swift as "crap" is to say that only your version of country is relevent. I remember a few years back i was listening to country music, and some of the artist i loved back then were George Jones, Ronnie Milsap, Johnny Rodregas, Johnny Cash, to name a few, in that small listing there are very diverse types of country music. I say give miss Swift here due, people love her and her fresh take on things. Hey at least young people are listening to something other than crap about sex drugs and violence.
Isn't the whole point of the music industry to SELL records and make money, well she sells records. If it were not for commercially successful artist the industry would die out completely and the world would be stuck with us for entertainment. Heaven forbid, have you heard how pitchy we can be at times!!!!!!
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It ain't country no more. It's crap
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Yep. I don't like country a lot, but when I do listen to it, I want it to be COUNTRY!
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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Good post robh,
I hated to see this turn into thread trashing a beautiful, talented young woman.
She's earned what she's gotten. I saw an interview with her a year or two ago and she talked about being a young girl with her mother driving her around Nashville and she was dropping off demos of her songs to studios and saying "call me". She was only 12 or 13 at the time. It's paid off for her.
She didn't come up through playing at bars and I'm sure that's contributed to the "innocence" in her songs.
Kids today could do a lot worse in finding a role model. Find what you want to do and go for it! It worked for her.
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Hmmmmmmm
I can't, play, can't sing, can't write, can barely figure out how to operate BIAB.
Looks like someday..........
I"M GONNA BE A STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)
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An' all ya gotta do is -- Act Naturally!
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and learn to FAKE being honest!
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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It's not country. It's teen.
It's Avril Lavigne with the very occasional banjo or violin thrown in.
I have a fair amount of listening experience in this area (remember I have a 12 year old daughter)
TS writes neat punchy songs and sings them with verve.
There are plenty of worse things in the world - in fact I quite like her.
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. . . radio stations are going under and the music industry isn't selling music much today. And their excuses are hysterical. They blame file trading, MP3s, internet/XM/Sirius radio, video games, swine flu...you name it. No mention of their own bad business plan and all of the boring artists that they promote. The real whining and crying that I hear is from the lawyers and executives in the RIAA.
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I've been saying for years that the publishing industry--which includes print and film--is dead; it just doesn't know it yet. Those who figure out that it's about moving bits, not moving molecules, MAY survive. But they (mostly Western companies) just keep shooting themselves in the foot in marvelously creative ways.
It's all about distribution. Ever wonder why the price of product went up every time the medium changed--from LP to cassette to CD--while the costs of manufacturing and distribution went down? I'm all for capitalism, but simple greed is getting in their way. (Frank Zappa would have put out a lot more music if he hadn't spent so much time in court proving how record companies were screwing their artists, and eventually themselves. He had a large hand in the creation of the indies.) Now it costs as much to download a CD's worth of material as it would to own the disk, when there is NO inherent cost beyond paying the producer, the ISP, and the artist, and you get NO physical product. Madness.
One of the big three record companies saw sales and revenue (two different things, indirectly related) go UP significantly when they cut CD prices by a third. Amazon Kindle and iPods are where it's going. Blockbuster is closing 900 stores and moving to an Internet model. When the publishing industry as a whole enlightens itself as to the wisdom of delivering more and/or charging less, they'll have a chance.
But I'm sure it's much more fun complaining and punishing the consumers who are actually paying the freight.
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Some really fun and interesting posts in this thread! Talk about pitchy? Some people can't spell or even write cohesively! Where is the command of the English language? If it sells, work it! Me? I moved to Vienna 8 years ago to follow my dream in music but it just hasn't happened. Yeah, I've had fun and I don't even have a band - last year I had a Hell's Angel as a mic stand! I was mad when Garth Brooks made it a decade or so ago because he saw the same hole in the market that I had seen for years but had been powerless to grab. So... I am a Man of Constant Sorrow
I've seen trouble all my days
I bid farewell to England
The place where I was born and raised
For eight long years I've roamed and rambled
No pleasure here in Wien I've found
For in Austria I'm bound to ramble
I have no friends to help me now
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Maybe the Austrians think I'm just a foreigner
My face they'll never see no more
But there is one promise that is given
They'll never make it to England's shoreStop grumbling, guys. TS is selling and that is Music BUSINESS
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How does she do this and not get electrocuted? A mic getting wet? I see some ideas that she has taken from James Blunt... Now, he ain't exactly Country but he is English folk rock pop, which isn't so different. She's also taken ideas from Garth Brooks. These two are MY biggest influences today, so she sure knows what she is doing.
Follow That Dream Sam Karaoke King -------------------- Turning that corner again - I have to keep following that dream, no matter what
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How does she do this and not get electrocuted? A mic getting wet?
Wireless mic, battery powered radio transmitter, she is electrically isolated from the mains, Sam.
As for the mic surviving the water, likely eventually it won't at the mic element end, unless the road techs open it up and dry it out after every wet performance. Or maybe she doesn't care, just gets another mic.
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Well, Mac - OK. But how come the mic doesn't give up under the shower?
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Having seen a dozen music videos of the girl now, I have the impression that TS is excellent! What's more, I came up with 10 song title ideas for further development. Ain't that Country?
If that ain't Country, would somebody please tell me what is? Thanks
Follow That Dream Sam Karaoke King -------------------- Turning that corner again - I have to keep following that dream, no matter what
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Sam, I believe Garth Brooks has been out of fashion in the USA for about 10 years, if I'm not mistaken. I think it was about 10 years ago he tried his alter-ego chris something or other experiment. Kind of like a New Coke experiment for him. I can explain that further if New Coke wasn't in Europe. I could be wrong, but at least on country pop-radio where I was from, Garth Brooks hasn't been on playlists for many many years. Haven't listened to much country since moving to Colorado. Some excellent college stations out here that play a VERY wide variety of music - have a listen online: http://www2.ppcc.edu/NewsEvents/KEPC/
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I'm primarily a song writer. I only play musical instruments because I need to in order to write any decent songs.
I don't listen to any contemporary music on the radio at all. I always avoid the awards shows, as they appear to be mostly popularity or political contests anyway.
I do listen to a lot of podcasts and amateur musicians and singers, or performers who will never get any kind of major music award. I find that people who love the music for it's own sake, and not as a means to fame and riches, are the very best. You won't see them on any awards program, but the music is from the heart and soul, and not from a Nashville or LA music factory.
I listened to an interview of a Nashville 'factory' songwriter, who described contemporary country music as 'light suburban pop'. He soon got weary of the vapid and shallow themes and music, and moved away to do some less profitable but personally enriching work. Ricky Skaggs comes to mind also. There are others.
So let the fame and wealth drive commercial music. I will stick with the obscure but brilliant and moving efforts of the struggling and creative artists who do it for the music, and not for the dollar.
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