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Got some favorite reverb plugins or hardware you prefer? I know you probably have more than one and that it depends on the song etc. I'm just curious what people here like using recording vocals. Might be some good options me and others don't know about... Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 
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Hi Josie: This is Bob Pidgeon. I usually use my MR-8-HD-CD for recording vocals. I can monitor the reverb while recording. Here is the way that I done one project. Hope this helps: The way that I recorded my song called "At the foot of the Cross" I recorded it on my Mr8-HD-CD with the reverb setting that I was comfortable with. This was just on the "vocal track" I then mixed down the vocal "Dry" then I transferred the vocal track onto my computer. I imported it into music creator. I then added the music track and matched it up with the vocal track. I made 3 copies of the vocal track added some very slight studio reverb to the first track panned to the middle. I then used some delay on the second and third vocal track panned one to the left and the other to the right. Turned down the delay to where you could barley hear the delay but it did bleed through just a little on purpose. I then mixed it down to a stereo track and here is the result. Just copy and paste this into your address bar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kf7DiMnI2YYou can get creative with the reverb and delay and come out with a wonderful result. I was not finished at this point; I then re-imported the mixed version back into the MR-8 to master it. Sent that to a stereo track and re-burned the master to a CD.
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Josie,
I just listened to all of your tracks. In your solo tracks I think you are using a tasteful amount of reverb - perhaps a tad more could be used. What I hear that might be useful to you would be to highpass filter your vocals just a tad. Set the cutoff at 100 Hz and then move it up until you think that your voice sounds thin. Probably somewhere between 100 and 200 Hz will likely work.
This is something to do also if you use a reverb on a bus as well. Avoid sending your full spectrum vox to reverb - cut it off even higher before sending to the reverb. If you don't, it can muddy the vowel sounds. The single with Bob exhibits this just a bit. The instruments are pretty dry but there's noticeable 'room' with the vocals in this song, where the reverb seems strong in the 200-500Hz range.
As for favorites, it depends on the style of music I would say. Your style could use a little slap back echo on the vocals - not necessarily reverb, but it would fit well with the train beat of the old hound dog song, more so than reverb.
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When digitally recording to PC, I never "print" the reverb that is in use at the time for the vocal monitoring.
Singers like to hear that Reverb when tracking, some even *have* to hear the reverb, so I will use a hardware device to give them that in their headphones while they sing in the tracks -- BUT I RECORD THEM DRY at the time.
This is because, once Reverb is applied to a track "destructively" as it were, it is impossible to change that amount of ambience, or remove it.
And I won't really know what type of Reverb, plus how much of it, etc. will work best in the mix until it comes time for the mixdown sessions, which often end up in *changing* the Vox reverb more than once, looking for that great Mixfit.
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This is because, once Reverb is applied to a track "destructively" as it were, it is impossible to change that amount of ambience, or remove it.
My problem (shared by many would-be vocalists) is that I am always heavy-handed on the reverb. I have learned to leave that to "the ears" like Mac. I have ruined a lot of my vacals and they are now written in stone, unfortunately. A case of "less is more!"
I personally like the Verb VST that's native to NTracks Studio by Italian Electronics Engineer Flavio Antonioli. Apparently Peter Gannon likes it too because I noticed it listed in his plug-ins on an old demo video.
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Here is a technique I learned from a poster on these forums:
Record the vocal dry.
Copy the dry vocal to another track.
Apply the reverb to the COPY. I turn it up all the way, so the copy is pretty much all reverb.
Then for the final mix, adding reverb to the vocal becomes a matter of mixing the relative levels of the 2 tracks. The original vocal is never altered, so I can always get it back.
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Here is a technique I learned from a poster on these forums:
Record the vocal dry.
Copy the dry vocal to another track.
Apply the reverb to the COPY. I turn it up all the way, so the copy is pretty much all reverb.
Then for the final mix, adding reverb to the vocal becomes a matter of mixing the relative levels of the 2 tracks. The original vocal is never altered, so I can always get it back.
flatfoot - that is extra work you are doing. The easier way to do this that doesn't take up an additional track in your project is to put your reverb on a bus send/return and put the effect at 100% 'wet'. Then you control how much reverb ends up in the mix with the send amount on the vocal track.
The track itself is dry if you record it dry. Sending over to a bus is a tried and true method that still leaves the original vocal unaltered. It also works to reduce the load on the CPU/memory because you can route multiple tracks to the same reverb bus and only one instance of the reverb plugin is used in the project. If you put a reverb on every track that you want reverb on, you can bring even mighty powered DAW computers to their knees. Reverb plugins and delay plugins are the most CPU-hungry effect plugins in general because they have to operate on the current sample as well as all of the previous samples that are being represented in the 'tail' of the reverb.
Does that make sense?
-Scott
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Foot, where wuz ya when I needed ya?
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>>>...Reverb plugins and delay plugins are the most CPU-hungry effect plugins in general because...all of the previous samples that are being represented in the 'tail' of the reverb...Does that make sense?...>>>
Well, yes, in a way. Your technique would be used in real time, while recording. Mine would be used in post-production, after a satisfactory vocal take has been laid down dry. Have I got that right?
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Flatfoot, my technique works whenever, whether recording or during mix-down. The vocal recording is done dry and the recorded signal remains dry during mixdown, but since it is sent through the bus for reverb, what is mixed down to stereo has the reverb in it.
This is one of the main reasons to have aux send/return buses whether in hardware or software. With hardware, you can't afford to buy a whole raft of reverb units and with software, your CPU can't handle multiple instances of the same reverb unit.
-Scott
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