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The 'Help' file says:
You can disable the endings for all songs in Arrangements/Options
Well I went there and confirmed that I had already unchecked the box that says:
"Allow any endings".
Why is it that when I open a fresh song the song setting still defaults to
"Generate 2 bar ending for this song" ?
Can someone please tell me how to change this default setting?
TIA
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Because that is how the song was saved - Help- Topics = "Ending (Band-Box by default plays a 2 bar ending following all of the choruses)"
Hit the "S" button to the right of the song title which brings up the Song Settings page and make sure that the "Generate 2 bar Ending for this song" and the "Tag Exists?" boxes are unchecked and then re-save the song - this is a song by song setting
The other global option you mention will "allow" the endings if also chosen in the Song Settings page
You are correct in your comment and there are too many pages you have to go to in order to set certain features on/off
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Thanks Jazzman for helping out! Quote:
Because that is how the song was saved - Help- Topics = "Ending (Band-Box by default plays a 2 bar ending following all of the choruses)"
But as I mentioned above:
>>Why is it that when I open a fresh song the song setting still defaults to
"Generate 2 bar ending for this song" ? <<
I didn't save the song. I opened a brand new fresh song, and the box is still ticked off for
"Generate 2 bar ending for this song"
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Hit the "S" button to the right of the song title which brings up the Song Settings page and make sure that the "Generate 2 bar Ending for this song" and the "Tag Exists?" boxes are unchecked and then re-save the song - this is a song by song setting
I am trying to find the way _not to have to make changes for every new song that I begin.
I would like to 'set it and forget it'.
Can it be done? Surely BIAB can't be this inflexible?
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Unchecking Arrangement Options -> 'Allow any Endings' is your ticket.
Martin
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Unchecking Arrangement Options -> 'Allow any Endings' is your ticket.
Sigh... I already did that before... but it still doesn't work 
Any more tickets? 
BIABguy
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Sigh... I already did that before... but it still doesn't work
Works here. Try again.
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If it doesn't work, likely time to do an Opts -< Return to Factory Settings
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If it doesn't work, likely time to do an Opts -< Return to Factory Settings
I'm reluctant to do a return to factory settings.
Kind of like when the techies recommend I format my c: drive to solve a software problem I'm having.
BIABguy
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Sigh... I already did that before... but it still doesn't work
Works here. Try again.
There has to be more to it than that.
I just started yet another fresh song and there was the dreaded two bar ending checked off for the song settings.
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Return to Facotry Settings is your friend.
It resets a critical volatile file inside BIAB.
When that file gets corrupted, things don't work right.
--Mac
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Return to Facotry Settings is your friend.
It resets a critical volatile file inside BIAB.
When that file gets corrupted, things don't work right.
--Mac
OK, I returned to factory settings and it didn't fix the problem.
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Return to Facotry Settings is your friend.
It resets a critical volatile file inside BIAB.
When that file gets corrupted, things don't work right.
--Mac
Mac I don't want to single you out or anything but I deeply regret making the change to factory defaults.
I feared that all of the special settings in lead sheet lyrics that I've been working on for 25+ songs would be messed up, and sure enough they have been.
I should have listened to my inner instinct.
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BIABguy, perhaps you didn't know about Options, Save Preferences. In the future, do that, then Return to Factory Settings, then try Load Preferences. Unless something in your preferences is causing the problem, all should be back to the way you want it.
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There has to be more to it than that.
I just started yet another fresh song and there was the dreaded two bar ending checked off for the song settings.
Here's what I think is happening here. Folks are not appreciating that BBguy wants that switch defaulted to off. The advice to change the arrangement option will effectively do away with the generated ending, but it won't default that switch to off. The key point is that the arrangement option is an override. It negates the effect of the endings parameter, but it won't change the default value, (which, as someone noted, is a song parameter.)
I don't think there's a way to do literally what you want, BBguy. ('Course I've been wrong before.) But changing the arrangement option does work here as an override. Not satisfactory?
Understand your frustration: if you invoke the global override, then when you do want a generated ending, you gotta reset it, and if you forget to set it back again, any other song loaded where you didn't specifically disable the endings parameter will also have a generated ending. Which you probably don't want. This is an example of what some feel is, er, a "complicated" interface. But worth enduring for what this software can do (IMHO). 
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... Folks are not appreciating that BBguy wants that switch defaulted to off. ...
I don't think there's a way to do literally what you want, BBguy. ('Course I've been wrong before.) But changing the arrangement option does work here as an override. Not satisfactory?
It doesn't work for me.
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Understand your frustration: if you invoke the global override, then when you do want a generated ending, you gotta reset it, and if you forget to set it back again, any other song loaded where you didn't specifically disable the endings parameter will also have a generated ending. Which you probably don't want. This is an example of what some feel is, er, a "complicated" interface. But worth enduring for what this software can do (IMHO).
Ron you've hit the nail on the head with your assessment.
Now as I mentioned previously, I use the program a lot for a limited period of time and then there might be months and months when I won't use it.
But it never fails, when I begin to use it seriously for that brief period of time, I always come up against 'features' such as this one that completely confound/frustrate me.
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BIABguy, perhaps you didn't know about Options, Save Preferences. In the future, do that, then Return to Factory Settings, then try Load Preferences. Unless something in your preferences is causing the problem, all should be back to the way you want it.
Thanks Matt, I didn't know about that.
I just was very hesitant to do the reset and now I know why.
BTW, I can't see the Options, Save Preferences that you are mentioning.
If I click Options I see preferences , but not save pref.
TIA
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Opt./Save Preferences As...
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It doesn't work for me.
Please expand
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Opt./Save Preferences As...
I'm using BIAB 2008.5 (264)
When I choose Opt. I don't see any Save Preferences As...
Could it be hiding somewhere else?
TIA
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It doesn't work for me.
Please expand
Martin here's what the fellow was saying to me:
>>Here's what I think is happening here. Folks are not appreciating that BBguy wants that switch defaulted to off. The advice to change the arrangement option will effectively do away with the generated ending, but it won't default that switch to off. The key point is that the arrangement option is an override. It negates the effect of the endings parameter, but it won't change the default value, (which, as someone noted, is a song parameter.)
I don't think there's a way to do literally what you want, BBguy. ('Course I've been wrong before.) But changing the arrangement option does work here as an override. Not satisfactory? <<
All I'm saying is that when I go to the two key areas we are talking about, just after starting a brand new song:
1. Edit/Settings for this song ----> Generate 2-bar ending is enabled!
2. Opt/Pref/Arrange -----> Allow endings is disabled!
So that's what I mean by "It doesn't work for me"
The 2. setting doesn't override the 1. setting.
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