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#468662 - 04/23/18 09:44 PM [User Showcase] New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye
Registered: 04/23/18
Posts: 814
Loc: Mill Valley, California USA
Deej56 Offline
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Hi, all:

I'm a new member to BIAB, and after an agonizing few months of frustration with BIAB (totally lost), I gave it another go and seemed to a least make things works for this simple song. I was recommended to this site by another user, whose been way supportive. Please let me know if I'm not following etiquette here, as it's a new site for me, and I certainly want to make sure I start off on the right foot.

At any rate, here's a link to the song. Most all of it, but for the vocal of course, are from BIAB, though there is one track that's me on the guitar, but very muted. Per the guidelines, I think I'm expected to provide specifics on which BIAB or RealTracks were used, but I kinda mixed and matched and don't think I can resurrect them. I'll be more careful in the future about tracking that. I did the vocal and guitar in GarageBand, after moving over a mix of WAV files from BIAB.

I'm really interested in how to get better at BIAB. For example, I've already got feedback regarding "markers" (BTW, there are none in this song--who knew?). But any other advice you can give on future efforts to a somewhat pathetic newbie would be very welcome. It's why I'm here.

Thanks in advance for your patience and kindness.

Here's the tune: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye

Kindest regards,

Deej

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#468753 - 04/24/18 09:11 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
Registered: 08/10/12
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floyd jane Offline
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Deej,

Welcome to the Showcase!

This is a terrific early BIAB effort. Nice choice of instruments. Excellent mix.

Really like your vocals! Brings to mind early Bee Gees... strong.

A lyric to follow along would be nice. (Oh...nevermind...I see them on SC...duh)

Fewer drums rolls for this type song would "work"...

Enjoy the listen. Looking forward to more...

floyd

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#468755 - 04/24/18 09:17 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Hey Dee. Welcome to the forums. You're gonna love it here for sure. Great first song. Sound's a lot like Jim Croche and just as fine songwriting.
Good job!

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#468757 - 04/24/18 09:20 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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BlueAttitude Offline
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Good song, love your vocal!

I agree with Floyd about too many drum fills. Other than that, the rest of the "band" sounds good!

Best place to get advice on BIAB in general is the beginners forum.

Welcome to the showcase, looking forward to hearing more from you!

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#468761 - 04/24/18 09:33 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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cliftond Offline
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Great song!!! everything sounds just right Welcome !!

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#468764 - 04/24/18 09:43 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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90 dB Offline
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This is excellent.

You know the New Guy buys the coffee, right? grin



Regards,


Bob

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#468768 - 04/24/18 10:19 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Man, you have really got something here. Great vocal. The structure is really good with the bridge and choruses. Good selection of real tracks. Get the drum fills worked out better and you are on your way. Excellent 1st post! Tom

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#468806 - 04/24/18 01:13 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Welcome aboard!

Tom pretty much nailed our thoughts. The write and vocal are very engaging. It really sticks with you.

Thanks for including the background info as that is always appreciated here. It's always helpful to provide the BiaB tracks used and it's definitely easier to do so if you used a style. Like you we tend to make up our own bands and use tracks from many styles on one song. By the time I'm through I often forget as I mix them in Logic Pro X...so being an old guy I have to keep notes smile

Anyhow, folks here do appreciate the "how ya did it" stuff. The deeper you get into BiaB the more you're gonna love it.

Great entry to the forum and much enjoyed by us!

J&B

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#468842 - 04/24/18 02:30 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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furry Offline
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Hi Deej, welcome along. I got a fantastic welcome when I joined here 100 years ago.
Nice song, good arrangement, and I DO like your vocals too

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#468855 - 04/24/18 02:43 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Welcome to the forum Dee.
Already I can hear you are a talented song writer and what a great tune to introduce your self with. I agree with Floyd very Bee Gees.
You may want you experiment with song intro in BB. Can be found under Edit, Song form. Great production. Rob

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#468903 - 04/24/18 03:57 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Welcome to the forum. Some good advice posted.
Really nice vocal and a good composition.

Peter

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#468910 - 04/24/18 04:11 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Welcomed to the most friendly site on the planet.

This is a excellent first post. I also agree with Floyd about the drum fills and that this does sounds like a BeeGee's song. I really like the lyrics also.
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#468927 - 04/24/18 04:55 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Deej,

What an outstanding song! You've got an incredible amount of skill on show... writing, singing, producing... everything worked for me.

I was so focused on and even a bit envious of your singing that I didn't pay attention to the drums so I have no idea about the drum breaks. You have a great voice that is very easy to listen to.

I'm looking forward to your second post!

All the best,
Noel
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#468933 - 04/24/18 05:07 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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A really good song - some hard won wisdom in the lyrics and your vocal delivery is very convincing.
Your talents are sure to be appreciated and honed here -welcome to the forum!

Robert

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#468936 - 04/24/18 05:14 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Deej,
You vocal & guitar tracks are cool. A tip I eventually learnt was to max levels for individual track in BIAB, centre panning & zero the reverb before exporting - that allows max flexibility in your DAW of choice.
You drum track is too busy but so was my 1st one - learning when & where takes a little time - ind you I'm still happy with my fist BIAB assisted track.
Terrific lyrics, very interesting vocal and a cool song - well done.
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#468948 - 04/24/18 05:37 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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As has already been said welcome to the Forum! Really nice track, I enjoyed the listen!

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#468950 - 04/24/18 05:42 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Deej,

Great to hear your material! You have a terrific voice and your song sounds really good. I feel that you are a little too hard on yourself here concerning your lack of experience with the program. You have your mix sounding pretty good to me. The only thing I hear in this that I would change would be to go back and reduce several of the part markers to limit the amount of drum fills. Great first song post and looking forward to more! Thanks, Torrey
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#468996 - 04/24/18 07:13 PM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
Registered: 04/23/18
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Loc: Mill Valley, California USA
Deej56 Offline
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Floyd, Joanne, BlueAttitude, cliftond, 90 dB, tommyad, Janice & Bud, furry, Rob4580, PeterF, MarioD, Noel96, Roberkc, rayc, Tano and Torrey:

First off, thanks to all of you for the warm welcome—it’s very much appreciated. And, of course, thanks again for listening to the tune and providing both your feedback and encouragement. Some great suggestions here that I can use. And I know I will learn more from all of you and (hopefully) get better as I go along—that’s exciting.

I hope to listen to all your songs as I get more immersed in the site, and return the favor in kind.

90 dB: Happy to do the buying. Is there such a thing as virtual coffee? smile

rayc: Thanks for the tip on maxing maxing levels and making other tweaks before exporting. I think that will be vey helpful going forward.

My best to all of you,

Deej

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#469109 - 04/25/18 07:25 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Very well done, and welcome to the forums Deej smile Not a bad first effort at all. The first thing that stood out to me is your voice - you have some nice pipes! Others mentioned it, but it is very reminiscent of the Bee Gees. That aside - you really did a good job with the backing tracks too. And with time you'll only get better and better, and more and more confident with the program.

You should be proud of this one - thanks so much for sharing!
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#469158 - 04/25/18 10:17 AM [User Showcase] Re: New Member, New Song: Won't Be Hard to Say Goodbye [Re: Deej56]
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Welcome Deej. What a cracker to start with!
The most important thing is the song. This is a good one, and delivery is first class; you have an exceptional voice.
You'll soon learn all the other techniques and wrinkles that go to make up good mixing, mastering and so on.
Let us know if you need any help!

John
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