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anyone useing a pedal with lots of rocking amp sims and built in /ir's ? that wont break the bank ?
i would like a line 6 helix but its way outside my budget.
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Hi om Look at the Zoom G3X. (Not the G3 or the 'n' version) I used one a while, loaded with a bank of Shadows effects patches until I bought an ultra simple Joyo ACTone Vox amp sim and put my patches onto an AlesisQ2. It also has a very good swell pedal (option to disable if not of use in yr kind of music but brilliant for mine.) What WAS useful was that it will run off AA batteries as well as mains which was perfect in the pre-Covid days as I could rock up and simply plug my G3X into their backline / PA or whatever without masses of gear and cables and hassle. Those days are gone and I realised that MY kind of music just didnt need 22 amp sims (who does??) and tons of effects so it was made redundant. Still have it, as new, boxed - just in case - -. Lol. The spec is here - https://www.zoom.co.jp/products/guitar/g3x-guitar-effects-amp-simulator-expression-pedalDiscontinued now but a very cheap amp/effects unit if budget is important. I tried to sell it on Fleabag for well under £100 and no bidders so it's a Heritage piece now. Bests Ian
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i used a zoom unit successfully for many years ( hopelessly out of date now) but depends just how much you need in the way of fx. like ian i realized i don't need that many and only used five or six patches when i was playing.
even my basic zoom had several amp sims and cab options. the unit i always fancied but never bought is the behringer v-amp.............
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A 508 maybe? Small in stature but back in the day was big on effects.
C2006 I replaced mine with a Zoom2000 effects unit. Still got it. Lol.
Then an Alesis Q2 effects unit came my way at good money and thats what I still use at home. Both still needed an amp sim, hence the Joyo.
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Six/IAN.
gosh i love the tones you get as much as i love "bubble and squeak"..lmao and yorkshire pud stuffed with beery gravy and chunks of roast beef...which my docs have made me give up in favor of boring healthy foods..lol.
could you possibly lay out your sig chain ??
eg geetar>>X>>Y>>Z>>PC daw. etc ?...cos i'm tad confused
mate.
if you were up for it..if i create new songs needing those 60's tones we all love mebe i should just send you the song for leads.
OF COURSE i would give you PROPS.
i never hide a fellow musicians talent.
let me say your a better gtr player than moi.
btw my wife does a grrreat bubble n squeak...lol
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I'd happily swap you this info for a proper Northern plate of "Bubble"! lol Longtime too since I had proper plate of Lobby, like what Mother used to make.
I'm into KISS. Back in my time in groups and showbands (60s and 70s) we didn't have all this modern gear, neither did the Shads, Ventures or whoever.
It was guitar - echo unit - amp back then. And it is today, in its modern iteration -
Guitar (Strat) - Alesis Q2 or Zoom2000 (for echo patches) - OCCASIONAL addition of Boss CS-3 for LIGHT compression/sustain - Joyo ACTone (Vox amp sim) and then straight to DAW, Thats it.
Nothing is even close to being NEW. lol, The Alesis is getting on for 20 years old.
Guitar was hand built in 2006. Kinman FV-H pups, maple neck.
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Six.
your right things were simpler.
if you were to start today are you saying i could do this ?
geetar>>>zoom g3x>>>daw ?
does the joyo amp sim get loaded into the zoom ?
cheers...respect to you.
om
ps docs wont let me have big english bfasts either..boo hoo lol.
my gran made a mean "bubble n squeak".goodness i miss her.
you might not want to talk to me when i say i'm a hammers
supporter. lol.
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Six.
your right things were simpler.
if you were to start today are you saying i could do this ?
geetar>>>zoom g3x>>>daw ?
does the joyo amp sim get loaded into the zoom ?
cheers...respect to you.
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ps docs wont let me have big english bfasts either..boo hoo lol.
my gran made a mean "bubble n squeak".goodness i miss her.
you might not want to talk to me when i say i'm a hammers
supporter. lol.
The guitar goes into the Alesis/Zoom/G3X. From there it goes to the Joyo and then straight into DAW. Don't use, or seem to need, an AI. I guess with the right effects selected/programmed it would be guitar to G3X to DAW but I never used the amp Sims on it, preferring the Joyo and using the G3X onlybto provide the echo patterns. Don't worry about The Hammers. Don't follow football at all Bests Ian
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Don’t really know what you’re looking for.
When I perform I use an audio interface into a laptop. My guitar plugs into the laptop via the audio interface. On the laptop I have Overloud TH-U guitar amp sim. Also plugged into the laptop I have a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Foot controller. In TH-U I use what they call the RIG Player which is basically a way of setting up a guitar amp using impulse responses.
I have a number of “Stomp” boxes set up (auto wah, 2 x delays, reverb, overdrive, tremolo, phaser and also a mute button) using the FCB 1010. I also have a Volume pedal and a pedal to control the auto wah speed (= 2 x expression pedals).
I could set up many more options but that is all I use. I have Guitar Rig Set up on a different level in the FCB 1010 but I don’t use it.
I am able to set the volume of the amp sim to blend with my backing tracks on the same laptop. I sit there and play with full control the way I see it.
There are many versions of Overloud TH-U that enable one to set up for their needs. I have the full version of TH-U but it stems from using the product for many years and just ending up that way. MIDI Foot controllers are not really all that expensive once again price varies on what option you want.
Setting up TH-U and the foot controller is fairly simple. It all works fine for me.
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DEB. the only way to know if effective is to try one... with your own rig. also note some daws have a noise reducer plug in included.. eg reaper. TEUNIS. cheers..i'll check into the THU. but i'm kinda sceptical bout plug in daw amp stuff. ive found they are ok for clean sounds , but often fall down on classic overdriven stuff. Six. thanks. my lovely wife said "i'll buy the joyo for you". huge hearted woman. i'm a lucky bloke. heres a little challenge for you....its a bit of a cpu heavy free geetar plug in called "freeamp". https://www.kvraudio.com/product/free_amp_by_fretted_synth_audiowould be curious if you could get those classic tones out of it....eg shads its a vst plug in. ive had some happy accidents with it and sometimes combining with other plug ins. but a fast cpu is needed. best om
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I have a Digitech RP355, which is no longer in production. Being that our targeted audience is +55 years old, I don't need all the amp sims and FX this has to offer.
I get by with the Twin Reverb and AC30 amp sims, some compression, fuzz, and wah. There is so much more. I suspect Digitech has a newer model.
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I am looking at this: Noise killer What are your opinions about this or a similar product? Thanks! ...Deb Hi Deb, The question is what kind of noise are you trying to kill? Is it like a P90 guitar noise? Or a strat single pickup noise? Or something else.
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It is the 60 cycle hum. Dirty electricity, imho. I've changed cables and tried HumX from EbTech.
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It is the 60 cycle hum. Dirty electricity, imho. I've changed cables and tried HumX from EbTech.
...Deb Have you located the source of the hum? If it is from your guitar(s) then yes a noise gate pedal will work. But if the hum isn't from your guitar(s) then a noise gate pedal will not work. Here are a couple of articles that may help: https://bikehike.org/how-to-eliminate-60-cycle-hum/https://www.samash.com/spotlight/60-cycle-hum/Maybe a power conditioner with enough outlets so you can plug all of your equipment in to it i.e. amp, computer, near field monitors, etc. I use two Furman RackRiders. They are older models, back when they weren't so expensive. The new model of it is Furman M-8x2 Merit X Series M-8x2 Power Conditioner: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Conditioners/b?node=11975661I hope this helps and good luck.
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Thanks! It does help.
Thing I haven't tried is to see if the source is my pedals. I am going to attempt them with the Hum X and see if it helps. And, of course, play the guitar with only my amps.
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Deb, there are many good gates available to cut out the hum. The real trick is to make sure you don’t turn them up too much and lose quieter notes which can make things sound a bit odd. In my case the product (TH-U) I use has a gate built in and one can get shy of all the hum and I cut out below -60dB or so which does the trick. Some other pedals have gates built in. I would look around at various gates. The Noise Killer is highly rated. See https://producerhive.com/buyer-guides/guitar-pedals/best-noise-gate-pedals/Tony
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Thing I haven't tried is to see if the source is my pedals. I used to record electric guitar through several stomp boxes and whenever possible would power a box with battery rather than AC adapter, for that reason.
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Easy fix if that is the cause. Thanks!
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Mark, that fixed it. Thank you!
Thanks all!!!
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Mark, that fixed it. Thank you! Well, I got the idea from you. Glad it helped!
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Six/all.
well yesterday i really went at it trying to get those shads tones with my peavey vpyr amp plus jackson electric. playing along with the shads.
it was a lot of work , but i finally got very close.
the key i found is to back off the gtr volume a bit as well as the tone a tad and trying various pick up
combos. i was really surprised by the vpyr amp which ive always liked for some things. cos it has various amp sims built in.
anyhoo its close enough for me to play along with the old shads songs.
ive also six been checking out the whole of range of joyo
pedals that are very budget friendly ...on you tube.
i like a lot of what i'm hearing.
more experimentation today...but i might take my wifev up her offer to buy me a couple of pedals for my birthday in a few months.
six your the master of that shads tone. huge kudos.
anyone know how can get the acdc tones ?
or the fabulous lead guitar tones on 38 special hold on loosely. ?? ive got close on both but no cigar.
another fav of mine is cheap trik live at budokan.
saw them live couple of times...great live band.
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I've got one of these:  Great sounding unit but really noisy. I prefer the real thing:  You can not simulate tubes digitally. Regards, Bob
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I've got one of these:
You can not simulate tubes digitally.
I used to think that also. I lugged 40-50lbs of tubes around for decades. Not anymore Fender Tonemaster amps ($1000). 22lbs Quilter Superblock ($275 + a speaker cab of your choice). 15-20lbs If you need a real tube amp sound with some reverb they are the cats meow. The tube breakup on them is sweet. Whats even better is you can dial it in at different output volume levels. You just cant do that with a Vibrolux (or a super or a Mark3, etc). There's a certain volume a tube amp sounds perfect. Lower or higher its not always there. It takes an airplane hangar to get there with a Twin Reverb. If one wants to add an array of pedals, one might not need a tube amp anyway. I never understood a "tube purist" with 15 pedal chain whining about the sound of the amplifier. Admittedly, we've waited 3+ decades for solid state guitar amplifiers to sound decent. The last 2-3 years have made a big difference. You may wish to check them out. No more lugging a 50lb Mark3 around for this boy. Anyway, thats my $.02
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All. anyone checked out the hotone brand of amps ? eg....heres one...called british invasion. very inexpensive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTXb-X1z0QIimpressive demo above. lots of other hotone demoes on you tube of their other products. thanks for commenting 90db and Mr Geeze. yep even tho' i'm a big bloke i never liked lugging round monster heavy amps... happiness om
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Guitar (Strat) - Alesis Q2 or Zoom2000 (for echo patches) - OCCASIONAL addition of Boss CS-3 for LIGHT compression/sustain - Joyo ACTone (Vox amp sim) and then straight to DAW,
The ACTone is REALLY, REALLY good: convincing, versatile and reliable too. The Behringer BDI21 is similarly excellent for bass. Both make the point that SANSAMP/TECH21 do fabulous work but charge WAY too much.
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i used a zoom unit successfully for many years ( hopelessly out of date now) but depends just how much you need in the way of fx. like ian i realized i don't need that many and only used five or six patches when i was playing.
even my basic zoom had several amp sims and cab options. the unit i always fancied but never bought is the behringer v-amp............. The V-Amp is pretty cool as are many things these days but a good cabinet I/R in the DAW makes a huge difference to and DI'd guitar. It's an improvement on the Behringer GDI21 I bought...their 1st rip off of the Sansamp - almost exactly the same - down to the noise issues - with Tweed, Mesa & Marshall represented quite well. A solid box and pretty reliable. I still use it when tracking with my Mel9 'Tron pedal...guitar -> compressor -> spring reverb pedal -> tweed clean with the highs n lows rolled off a tad then -> the box with some more reverb to soften it and an I/R of a Greenback edge miced with a decent condenser. It does that job better than a real amp.
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Want to downsize? - Back in the day - when things were smaller, cheaper and worked on the KISS principle, this was my First combo for home playing - (forget my gigging days when AC30TB plus echo unit etc etc were the norm)   The Ampworks ( An early Vox amp sim by Korg) sounded fine through a PA, post echo unit. Cost in 2004 - maybe £15 - 2o US Dollars The AC1 ( a miniature Vox, also by Korg) was 1 watt output (sounded louder) and coupled with the Ampworks was great for caravanning holidays. Still have them in original boxes. Smile and remember. Bests ian
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Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Watch the XPro Styles PAK 7 Overview & Styles Demos video.
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 18 for Band-in-a-Box version 2024 is here with 200 brand new styles to take for a spin!
Along with 50 new styles each for the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, we’ve put together a collection of styles using sounds from the SynthMaster plugin!
In this PAK you'll find: dubby reggae grooves, rootsy Americana, LA jazz pop, driving pop rock, mellow electronica, modern jazz fusion, spacey country ballads, Motown shuffles, energetic EDM, and plenty of synth heavy grooves! Xtra Style PAK 18 features these styles and many, many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 18 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Expand your Band-in-a-Box 2024® library with Xtra Styles PAK 18! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 18 here.
Watch the Xtra Styles PAK 18 Overview & Styles Demos video.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 18 requires the 2024 UltraPAK/UltraPAK+/Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 7 for Band-in-a-Box 2024 for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 7 with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 50 RealTracks and RealDrums that are sure to delight!
With XPro Styles PAK 7 you can expect 25 rock & pop, 25 jazz, and 25 country styles, as well as 25 of this year's wildcard genre: Celtic!
Here's a small sampling of what XPro Styles PAK 7 has to offer: energetic rock jigs, New Orleans funk, lilting jazz waltzes, fast Celtic punk, uptempo train beats, gritty grunge, intense jazz rock, groovy EDM, soulful R&B, soft singer-songwriter pop, country blues rock, and many more!
Special Pricing! Until September 30, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 7 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea)! Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box 2024® with XPro Styles PAK 7! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Watch the XPro Styles PAK 7 Overview & Styles Demos video.
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2024 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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