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Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
Bell engineers sped up Shannon’s vocals to nearly one-and-a-half times its original speed.

OK, this is "Runaway" slowed down to 67% tempo, which, if the above is true, would be the original speed:

https://soundcloud.com/mark_hayes/runaway-at-67-tempo

The Musitron solo is at 01:44.

It's pretty obvious this wasn't Del's actual singing. But that Musitron solo does sound like this here could have been the original performance.

I'm guessing the "one-and-a-half times" is true of the Musitron but not the voice (which, according to Wikipedia, was only tweaked a semitone.)

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I know how all you Nashville folks have a lot of dislike for Autotune but I have known for a long time that almost EVERYONE today uses it no matter what the genre. Check out this short clip from a Grammy Winning NASHVILLE .. yep I said "Nashville" producer.

link: https://youtu.be/SGGCU31rUHQ

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I know how all you Nashville folks have a lot of dislike for Autotune but I have known for a long time that almost EVERYONE today uses it no matter what the genre.

Personally, I hate AutoTune, for several reasons.

Wrongful Correction
If you are out of tune less than 50 cents of a semitone, congratulations, AutoTune snaps you back to the pitch center.

If you are out of tune more than 50 cents of a semitone, even by going over a little bit, AutoTune snaps you to the pitch center of the next flat or sharp note, makes you out of tune even more.

Integrity Damage
Vocal expressions such as vibrato, legato, etc, would be detected as out of tune pitches, and trigger false positive corrections, damage the integrity of formant articulations.

Retune Speed Dilemma
Set too high, generates a robot like artifact. Set too low, won't do much work.

Graph Mode
Cumbersome and hard to use. Much less intuitive than Melodyne.

So, that's why I hate AutoTune.



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I know how all you Nashville folks have a lot of dislike for Autotune but I have known for a long time that almost EVERYONE today uses it no matter what the genre.

Personally, I hate AutoTune, for several reasons.

Wrongful Correction
If you are out of tune less than 50 cents of a semitone, congratulations, AutoTune snaps you back to the pitch center.

If you are out of tune more than 50 cents of a semitone, even by going over a little bit, AutoTune snaps you to the pitch center of the next flat or sharp note, makes you out of tune even more.

Integrity Damage
Vocal expressions such as vibrato, legato, etc, would be detected as out of tune pitches, and trigger false positive corrections, damage the integrity of formant articulations.

Retune Speed Dilemma
Set too high, generates a robot like artifact. Set too low, won't do much work.

Graph Mode
Cumbersome and hard to use. Much less intuitive than Melodyne.

So, that's why I hate AutoTune.




Try melodyne. It's not the same as autotune.


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Vocal expressions such as vibrato, legato, etc, work.

Graph Mode
Cumbersome and hard to use. Much less intuitive than Melodyne.





Try melodyne. It's not the same as autotune.


Ahhh ... I think he does.


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I know how all you Nashville folks have a lot of dislike for Autotune but I have known for a long time that almost EVERYONE today uses it no matter what the genre. Check out this short clip from a Grammy Winning NASHVILLE .. yep I said "Nashville" producer.

link: https://youtu.be/SGGCU31rUHQ


I love the first comment to this video: ":I'm sorry but if they use autotune or anything else, they should not be in the industry. For years people did without it, Sinatra, Presley, and the list goes on. Pink does not use autotune and neither does Celine or Kelly Clarkson."

Me: I don't know why you are using that jawbone drone thing. Singing doesn't need that accompaniment.

I don't get that piano. The harpsichord is perfectly adequate.

C'mon who wants to listen to that weird wax thing when you can hear real music? You'll probably have to put a picture of a dog in your advertisements if you want to attract any attention.

Why are you amplifying that guitar? That is not necessary. You think people are really going to want to amplify everything?

Who needs a synth, we've already got pianos?

Pitch correction?!#*#


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I love the first comment to this video: ":I'm sorry but if they use autotune or anything else, they should not be in the industry. For years people did without it, Sinatra, Presley, and the list goes on. Pink does not use autotune and neither does Celine or Kelly Clarkson."

Me: I don't know why you are using that jawbone drone thing. Singing doesn't need that accompaniment.

I don't get that piano. The harpsichord is perfectly adequate.

C'mon who wants to listen to that weird wax thing when you can hear real music? You'll probably have to put a picture of a dog in your advertisements if you want to attract any attention.

Why are you amplifying that guitar? That is not necessary. You think people are really going to want to amplify everything?

Who needs a synth, we've already got pianos?

Pitch correction?!#*#




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MV offers:
"Wrongful Correction
If you are out of tune less than 50 cents of a semitone, congratulations, AutoTune snaps you back to the pitch center.

If you are out of tune more than 50 cents of a semitone, even by going over a little bit, AutoTune snaps you to the pitch center of the next flat or sharp note, makes you out of tune even more.

Integrity Damage
Vocal expressions such as vibrato, legato, etc, would be detected as out of tune pitches, and trigger false positive corrections, damage the integrity of formant articulations.

Retune Speed Dilemma
Set too high, generates a robot like artifact. Set too low, won't do much work.

Graph Mode
Cumbersome and hard to use. Much less intuitive than Melodyne."

Just because it says AUTO on the lid doesn't mean you can't use it manually.
What you outline are also problems with Melodyne to some degree and are dependent upon the user. I use ReaTune & Melodyne manually so that I only correct what I feel needs correction. Any artefact that gets through is a result of my laziness. Though I might use the program to create an arty fact..but I don't.

Aiming for the centre isn't always a good thing


& then there's this which is quite revealing..

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Originally Posted By: Mark Hayes
Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
Bell engineers sped up Shannon’s vocals to nearly one-and-a-half times its original speed.

OK, this is "Runaway" slowed down to 67% tempo, which, if the above is true, would be the original speed:
https://soundcloud.com/mark_hayes/runaway-at-67-tempo
The Musitron solo is at 01:44.
It's pretty obvious this wasn't Del's actual singing. But that Musitron solo does sound like this here could have been the original performance.
I'm guessing the "one-and-a-half times" is true of the Musitron but not the voice (which, according to Wikipedia, was only tweaked a semitone.)

That was VERY interesting Mr. Hayes. I think it also points to the recollections cited being a little blurred by time.
The Musitron really makes the song great.


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